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Reply #2355 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
After spending pages ducking and weaving on this question:

Do you see any particular danger in giving a religious court the authority to impose the death penalty?

Greg comes up with this:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:36pm:
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Aceh passes adultery stoning law


Indonesia's province of Aceh has passed a new law making adultery punishable by stoning to death, a member of the province's parliament has said.

The law also imposes severe sentences for rape, homosexuality, alcohol consumption and gambling.

Opponents had tried to delay the law, saying more debate was needed because it imposes capital punishment.

Sharia law was partially introduced in Aceh in 2001, as part of a government offer to pacify separatist rebels.

A peace deal in 2005 ended the 30-year insurgency, and many of the former rebels have now entered Aceh's government, which e
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8254631.stm


Stonings ,beheadings, floggings,amputations, gotta love Islam or some dim wit might call you an Islamophobe.


The USA, and several other non-Muslim countries, kill their prisoners too.

Why don't you condemn those countries?

Oh, that's right - you're an uneducated, ignorant racist troll.


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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #2356 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:53pm
 
Another question that has the apologists tapdancing. To be a Muslim or an apologist, you have to be incapable of choosing between giving people a slow and painful death for adultery and a lethal injection for mass murder.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 9:36pm:
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Aceh passes adultery stoning law


Indonesia's province of Aceh has passed a new law making adultery punishable by stoning to death, a member of the province's parliament has said.

The law also imposes severe sentences for rape, homosexuality, alcohol consumption and gambling.

Opponents had tried to delay the law, saying more debate was needed because it imposes capital punishment.

Sharia law was partially introduced in Aceh in 2001, as part of a government offer to pacify separatist rebels.

A peace deal in 2005 ended the 30-year insurgency, and many of the former rebels have now entered Aceh's government, which e
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8254631.stm


Stonings ,beheadings, floggings,amputations, gotta love Islam or some dim wit might call you an Islamophobe.


The USA, and several other non-Muslim countries, kill their prisoners too.

Why don't you condemn those countries?

Oh, that's right - you're an uneducated, ignorant racist troll.



Does the USA have the death penalty for atheists blasphemers and homosexuals, does the USA flog people for hanging out with members of the opposite sex, does the USA amputate the hands with thieves?

Muslims are not a race of people ya dopey dim wit, there are many sahih ahadith that say $$Profit Muhammad was white, can you change your race by reciting the Shahada?



Why are your reasons for killing prisoners more valid than anyone else's?

I'm curious.


Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?


Why are your reasons for killing prisoners more valid than anyone else's?


I have none. Can you answer the question Greg?


Neither do I.



greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:50pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?


I can't see any reason for anyone to use capital or corporal punishment on prisoners.

Can you?

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Reply #2357 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 9:07pm
 
Now Greg is trying to reassure everyone that Islamic terrorism is a figment of our imagination. If all else fails, google some made up statistics then demand everyone else disprove them, right Greg?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
I expect I have posted plenty of statistics since I started using the internet Greg. You might have to be more specific.

In the meantime, are you able to access the data behind the statistics you are posting, or would you rather not know whether they are complete BS?


The onus is on you to show that "they are complete BS", if that's what you believe.

Let me know when you've found something, okay?

Cheers     Wink


No Greg. The only onus on me is to point out that you cannot back up your stats in any way. They come from a black hole of circular links, paywalls, and endless diatribes against Donald Trump.

Do you have any similar statistics from a reputable site, or do they all tell a different story?


Yes FD.

I've provided statistics, with references.

If you don't believe them, the onus is on you to prove them wrong.

Let me know how that works out for you.


Some other idiot on the internet saying the same thing and not backing it up either is not a reference Greg. Do you have any similar statistics from a reputable site, or do they all tell a different story?


Still can't disprove the stats, hey?

Well, keep trying   Wink


And if that fails, make something else up and demand they prove it:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 2:53pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 2:50pm:
Greg, why is it that when you try to get to the data behind those graphs, you go round in circles until you hit a paywall?


I didn't hit a paywall.

https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/terror-2.png


greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
Oh, I found endless statistics, just like you. But I could not find anything to back them up. Each statistic came with a link, but it was a link to another article with different statistics, but the same rant about Trump.


And the statistics you've provided - where did you get those from?



greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:04pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
What are you talking about Greg?


Your statistics - you have provided some haven't you?

Some sort of evidence, surely   Huh
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Reply #2358 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:00am
 
73.7% of Muslims in Western Sydney want sharia law in Australia.

85.2% of western Sydney Muslim women between 18 and 65 are not working or seeking work. Almost all, 80.4% receive welfare payments.


Disprove my stats gweggy.
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Reply #2359 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 1:59pm
 
Here is Greg equating homosexuality with murder.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 10:31am:
The premeditated execution of murderers is every bit as bad as the premeditated execution of homosexuals.


This is what it takes to defend Islam.
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Reply #2360 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:00am:
73.7% of Muslims in Western Sydney want sharia law in Australia.

85.2% of western Sydney Muslim women between 18 and 65 are not working or seeking work. Almost all, 80.4% receive welfare payments.

Disprove my stats gweggy.


Until you provide a source so that we can check their veracity, I will simply assume that you have made them up, Hammer/Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2361 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
Here you go Brian:

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Reply #2362 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 7:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:00am:
73.7% of Muslims in Western Sydney want sharia law in Australia.

85.2% of western Sydney Muslim women between 18 and 65 are not working or seeking work. Almost all, 80.4% receive welfare payments.


Disprove my stats gweggy.


How many Australians do you reckon subscribe to your dangerous views on freedom frank (see my signature)? Not many I trust.

Still, it is a concern when we see freedom warriors like FD perform their "nothing to see here" routine when the attacks on freedom are non muslim. This is despite going on record as saying not standing up against attacks on freedom is the same as taking part in those attacks. I wonder how many FDs there are in Australia, who through their rank hypocricy will happily watch our freedom get trampled into the ground if it contributes to the fight against the dastardly musselman. I sincerely hope there are even fewer of them.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #2363 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:00am:
73.7% of Muslims in Western Sydney want sharia law in Australia.

85.2% of western Sydney Muslim women between 18 and 65 are not working or seeking work. Almost all, 80.4% receive welfare payments.


Disprove my stats gweggy.


Yeah gweggy, you go and prove a negative!
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Reply #2364 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 10:18pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:00am:
73.7% of Muslims in Western Sydney want sharia law in Australia.

85.2% of western Sydney Muslim women between 18 and 65 are not working or seeking work. Almost all, 80.4% receive welfare payments.


Disprove my stats gweggy.


How many Australians do you reckon subscribe to your dangerous views on freedom frank (see my signature)? Not many I trust.

Still, it is a concern when we see freedom warriors like FD perform their "nothing to see here" routine when the attacks on freedom are non muslim. This is despite going on record as saying not standing up against attacks on freedom is the same as taking part in those attacks. I wonder how many FDs there are in Australia, who through their rank hypocricy will happily watch our freedom get trampled into the ground if it contributes to the fight against the dastardly musselman. I sincerely hope there are even fewer of them.

Islam is the enemy of everything the West stands for, alway has been.

Reading your post in that context, my question is - what the hell are you trying to misrepresent now?

There is no commonn, shared ground between Islam and the West when it comes to culture, law, political organisation,values, outlook  - nothing.

We understand each other and THEREFORE  realise the unbridgeable schasm. With Abos, say, we have the benefit of not quite understandibg them. But with Islam, we know exactly what you are on about and so we know just how unacceptable and dangerous you are. You have the same view of the West.
We are both very clear about why the other is anathema. There is no common ground.




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Reply #2365 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 6:15pm
 
Fair enough Frank - you think its ok and not inconsistent with our values to deprive a certain group in our society of their freedoms - because they are so awful.

I can perhaps live with the idea of targeting a specific group for genuine security reasons, without affecting anyone else. Lets run with that then.

There still remains though a slippery slope argument, wouldn't you agree? I mean the problem is, you are not merely proposing a ban of things that can directly be connected to sinister activities that threaten society. You may argue that we are, but in reality, we are talking about mere items of clothing - which anyone can, and should be allowed to wear. Who decides what is "the uniform of the enemy", and what is merely a regular head covering? How far will the web need to spread to ensure that all targeted items are captured? How many innocents will be affected?

Do you not acknowledge that your proposal threatens a lot more people's freedom than merely the people you are targeting, and is therefore an attack on the values you profess to defend so rigorously?
   
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Reply #2366 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
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Fair enough Frank - you think its ok and not inconsistent with our values to deprive a certain group in our society of their freedoms - because they are so awful.


I hope he doesn't start describing them as a mindless collective of treacherous Muslims. Who knows what might happen.
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Reply #2367 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:08pm
 
Not only is Greg incapable of distinguishing between punishing people for adultery vs murder, he is also incapable of distinguishing between stoning people to death and lethal injection.

This is what it takes to be an apologist for Islam. However, being incapable of telling them apart is not sufficient. You also have to be careful to make them equivalent at every opportunity, just in case anyone thinks you can.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
How do you feel about stoning people to death?


The stuff I bought today probably wouldn't kill you.

Oh, you mean actually throwing stones! 

I think it's barbaric, draconian, totally unnecessary, and immoral.

I condemn any individual who would participate in such an evil act.

The same goes for anyone who kills a prisoner with a lethal injection, or with a piece of rope.

What method of murder do you prefer?


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Reply #2368 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 8:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 6:15pm:
Fair enough Frank - you think its ok and not inconsistent with our values to deprive a certain group in our society of their freedoms - because they are so awful.

I can perhaps live with the idea of targeting a specific group for genuine security reasons, without affecting anyone else. Lets run with that then.

There still remains though a slippery slope argument, wouldn't you agree? I mean the problem is, you are not merely proposing a ban of things that can directly be connected to sinister activities that threaten society. You may argue that we are, but in reality, we are talking about mere items of clothing - which anyone can, and should be allowed to wear. Who decides what is "the uniform of the enemy", and what is merely a regular head covering? How far will the web need to spread to ensure that all targeted items are captured? How many innocents will be affected?

Do you not acknowledge that your proposal threatens a lot more people's freedom than merely the people you are targeting, and is therefore an attack on the values you profess to defend so rigorously?
   



Muslims are openly opposed to our society, values, system. have been from the start. Mohammed, illiterate and unlettered that he was, fancied himself as a supplanter of Jesus and all the Old Testament prophets.

He misunderstood everything, he misrepresented everything  -  and you signed up to it all because you wanted to revolt against Catholicism, the bad, stupid, unlettered and lost little Italian boy that you were.


But putting to one side your own silly personal animus - let Muslim men be as pious and covering up pf their sexual swagger as they want their women, all women, to be covered.

All the Muslim men  - big frikken hairy head, smug look, strutting mucking mutts - with their subjugated, sweaty, smelly (god those bints stink in all that heavy gear!!), oppressed and uncomfortable in tow.

Freedom to be a complete atavistic laughing stock.  You have no moral or any other claim to your stupidity and your strutting around like a load of out of place mental patients who have no frikkken idea of where they are.  You are startlingly stupid AND aggressive about your stupidity.

The nazis and the commies were like this and you are their successors.i





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Reply #2369 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 8:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 6:15pm:
Fair enough Frank - you think its ok and not inconsistent with our values to deprive a certain group in our society of their freedoms - because they are so awful.

   

I would deprive everyone who doesn't share and uphold and cherish those freedoms , as Muslims don't.




You are only interested in freedom as long as it allows you to gain the power to abolish it.  Islam = SUBMISSION. You only want to be free to subvert everyone to Islam.






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