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Who is going to lead Labor?
Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

Assuming Rudd doesn't . . .more like a certainty than an assumption.
Looking around, I can't see anybody at all.
Shorten? Sorry but Shorten is just not leadership material. He would be the guy that doesn't get noticed in a room full of people.
Combet? Now Combet is leadership material imo, but as I understand it he's walking away.
Who else have they got that is likely to be still standing?
Bowen? In danger of losing his seat, but anyway again not leadership material.
They are in a mess aren't they.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #1 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:38pm There's Peter Beatie assuming he doen't get beatie....
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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #2 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

Assuming Rudd doesn't . . .more like a certainty than an assumption.
Looking around, I can't see anybody at all.
Shorten? Sorry but Shorten is just not leadership material. He would be the guy that doesn't get noticed in a room full of people.
Combet? Now Combet is leadership material imo, but as I understand it he's walking away.
Who else have they got that is likely to be still standing?
Bowen? In danger of losing his seat, but anyway again not leadership material.
They are in a mess aren't they.

Why didnt you call the thread, who you think will not lead Labor? Roll Eyes

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #3 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:50pm

C'mon, he's an old man isn't he? He looks it anyway.
And doesn't he carry too much baggage?
Who have they got that is fresh, looks like a leader, has presence and gravitas, and will keep them in the game through at least two terms in opposition?
I'm struggling to see somebody.
. . .OMG, I just had a terrible thought. They wouldn't go to Carr would they?

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Reply #4 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:00pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

Assuming Rudd doesn't . . .more like a certainty than an assumption.
Looking around, I can't see anybody at all.
Shorten? Sorry but Shorten is just not leadership material. He would be the guy that doesn't get noticed in a room full of people.
Combet? Now Combet is leadership material imo, but as I understand it he's walking away.
Who else have they got that is likely to be still standing?
Bowen? In danger of losing his seat, but anyway again not leadership material.
They are in a mess aren't they.

Why didnt you call the thread, who you think will not lead Labor? Roll Eyes

Aw, poor little roo-girl spitting the dummy. Cry

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #5 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

C'mon, he's an old man isn't he? He looks it anyway.
And doesn't he carry too much baggage?
Who have they got that is fresh, looks like a leader, has presence and gravitas, and will keep them in the game through at least two terms in opposition?
I'm struggling to see somebody.
. . .OMG, I just had a terrible thought. They wouldn't go to Carr would they?

No, because he's a Senator. It will most likely be someone like Mark Butler or Jason Clare, I would think. Shorten will never be leader, IMO, as he is irreparably damaged from knifing two sitting PMs.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #6 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:03pm I don't like Combet, in fact he scares me a bit. But I can see him as a successful Labor leader in something of the old style. But I don't think he is even standing for election. Not that that would be a hurdle a bit down the track if they wanted to draft him.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #7 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:08pm Gorton was a senator. Not a problem, someone can always be called on to step aside.
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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #8 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:19pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

Assuming Rudd doesn't . . .more like a certainty than an assumption.
Looking around, I can't see anybody at all.
Shorten? Sorry but Shorten is just not leadership material. He would be the guy that doesn't get noticed in a room full of people.
Combet? Now Combet is leadership material imo, but as I understand it he's walking away.
Who else have they got that is likely to be still standing?
Bowen? In danger of losing his seat, but anyway again not leadership material.
They are in a mess aren't they.

bogarde73

They have survived for well over a decade without a leader what makes you think the ALP wants one ?

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Reply #9 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:22pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

I don't like Combet, in fact he scares me a bit. But I can see him as a successful Labor leader in something of the old style.
But I don't think he is even standing for election. Not that that would be a hurdle a bit down the track if they wanted to draft him.

You have got to be joking throwing his name up, he is just a snippy ex-unionist who cut and ran when Rudd came back.

One of the big problems that got worse under Gillard was the perception that the union owns the ALP.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #10 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:25pm Well you suggest someone. The lefties here are like stunned mullets and don't want to think about it.
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Reply #11 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

It doesn't matter who is the leader after the election and they're in opposition.
They'll spend X amount of months or years without direction and seeming like they're completely lost. They'll probably change leaders once or twice during that time.
The only leader that matters is the one that takes them to the next election - or the one after - or the one after that.

They all go through the same thing - the only thing that varies is how long it takes.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #12 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:37pm

life_goes_on

If you think the ALP is a genuine democratic party, what you need is a less popular hard head to bash the party into a competitive shape for the next election, there needs to be a big clean out of all the dead wood.

The ALP keeps saying they need to reform but the the party does not want to, so who leads the party is irrelevant. The public have seen far too much of the inner workings of the ALP especially out of the NSW ALP / Obied affair.

My view is that the ALP will need either Abbott to be a complete screw up or for the ALP to wait a decade or two.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #13 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

Assuming Rudd doesn't . . .more like a certainty than an assumption.
Looking around, I can't see anybody at all.
Shorten? Sorry but Shorten is just not leadership material. He would be the guy that doesn't get noticed in a room full of people.
Combet? Now Combet is leadership material imo, but as I understand it he's walking away.
Who else have they got that is likely to be still standing?
Bowen? In danger of losing his seat, but anyway again not leadership material.
They are in a mess aren't they.

bogarde73

They have survived for well over a decade without a leader what makes you think the ALP wants one ?

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the lefties wont like that!! Grin

dastyari I am sure they are [fingers crossed] hoping he wont blot his copy book......lol.. some hope!

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #14 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:45pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Well you suggest someone. The lefties here are like stunned mullets and don't want to think about it.

bogarde73

That someone has to be able to get the factions into line.

The only reason they tolerate Rudd was because Gillard was as popular as a fart in a sauna.

That was a very negative reason to choose Rudd.

Given there will be less ALP MP's around and many of the current ones are bowing out its hard to see anyone who has the balls and public profile to stand up to the factions and the union.

Chris Bowen would be about the only name (if you insist on one), but everyone knows the bunny holding the bag after an election loss is a care taker leader at best, much like a night watchman in cricket.

My real answer is that the party needs to be more democratic and they need all new fresh faces...... especially the leader.

I am guessing they might use straws to work out who will lead the party, the unlucky one who draws the shortest gets the gig.

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