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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #60 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:48pm

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

well I 've read the first couple of pages... ehhh.. (shrugs)

And in spite of some comments I suggest Labor lost the election when they dumped Julia G.

The best LEADER they've had for some time.. the old school just couldn't tolerate a tough talking woman..... who achieved much given the constrictions upon her.

If Labor had stuck with Julia G... they would have had a chance.... with KRUDD...?????

Bye Bye.. see you after you return from the Wilderness.

You are suffering from early onset memory loss. Labor dumped Gillard to minimise their losses.
I know you are a girl and this is detail but still - hello?? (can I say this? Tongue

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tweetie you can say anything you want...within the rules of the forum.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #61 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:30pm:

Well he can't in the first term as he is a senator ...

Totally irrelevant.

See my last post.

(and learn a little bit about the Australian Constitution, while you're at it)

greggerypeccary

So you when is Doug going to do his run ?

Has this ever been done ?

He can not be in the house of reps unless he is a member of the lower house.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #62 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Who is going to lead Labor?

I would think Kevin Rudd - the interesting question may be who will lead the Liberals.

So you still have the Abbott Abbott Abbott disease, will it peak on election night ?

You don't think it would be an advantage for the Liberals to have a proper leader ?

They have the best opposition leader in our history while the ALP has ??????

Not sure what your issue is with Abbott, if he is as bad as you say then the ALP will be returned to power very quickly.

So you think Rudd will want to hang around or the ALP would still want him ?

They have the best opposition leader in our history

And yet every single trait he has displayed is the diametric opposite of what you would like to see from a prospective Leader ?

Vote for Tony he is negative and can undermine or destroy anything?

In your dumb ar$e red herring view.

Me I am indifferent at this point, you have over blown your argument with your Abbott Abbott Abbott disease.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #63 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

matty wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

No, because he's a Senator.

Completely irrelevant.

A Senator can lead the party, and a Senator can be Prime Minister.

matty wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Shorten will never be leader, IMO, as he is irreparably damaged from knifing two sitting PMs.

IMO, he will. We'll have to wait and see.

constitutionally, but not in a practical sense. Gorton became PM from the senate and then moved immediately to the lower house.

Yes, however, I'll just repeat what I said (which was 100% correct):

A Senator can lead the party, and a Senator can be Prime Minister.

And I will repeat what I said which is that practicality says otherwise. It is also true that Rudd does not have to stop being PM if he loses the election. He can stay in the job until parliament sits and only lose the job if the parliament pases a vote of no-confidence in him. possible but not even remotely practical or likely.

conventions do have quite a lot of power.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #64 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:02pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:30pm:

Well he can't in the first term as he is a senator ...

Totally irrelevant.

See my last post.

(and learn a little bit about the Australian Constitution, while you're at it)

greggerypeccary

1. So you when is Doug going to do his run ?

2. Has this ever been done ?

3. He can not be in the house of reps unless he is a member of the lower house.

1. I don't think he's going to make a run.

2. John Gorton became Prime Minister when he was in the Senate (also, Senator George Pearse was acting PM for several months).

3. There is no Constitutional requirement for the Prime Minister to be in the House of Representatives. In fact, the office of Prime Minister is not even mentioned in the Constitution (nor are political parties).

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #65 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:30pm:

Well he can't in the first term as he is a senator ...

Totally irrelevant.

See my last post.

(and learn a little bit about the Australian Constitution, while you're at it)

greggerypeccary

1. So you when is Doug going to do his run ?

2. Has this ever been done ?

3. He can not be in the house of reps unless he is a member of the lower house.

1. I don't think he's going to make a run.

2. John Gorton became Prime Minister when he was in the Senate (also, Senator George Pearse was acting PM for several months).

3. There is no Constitutional requirement for the Prime Minister to be in the House of Representatives. In fact, the office of Prime Minister is not even mentioned in the Constitution (nor are political parties).

so which part of PRACTICALITY are you not reading?

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #66 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:30pm:

Well he can't in the first term as he is a senator ...

Totally irrelevant.

See my last post.

(and learn a little bit about the Australian Constitution, while you're at it)

greggerypeccary

1. So you when is Doug going to do his run ?

2. Has this ever been done ?

3. He can not be in the house of reps unless he is a member of the lower house.

1. I don't think he's going to make a run.

2. John Gorton became Prime Minister when he was in the Senate (also, Senator George Pearse was acting PM for several months).

3. There is no Constitutional requirement for the Prime Minister to be in the House of Representatives. In fact, the office of Prime Minister is not even mentioned in the Constitution (nor are political parties).

so which part of PRACTICALITY are you not reading?

I'm not denying the validity of your comments at all.

We are both correct in this instance.

Settle petal.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #67 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 12:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:30pm:

Well he can't in the first term as he is a senator ...

Totally irrelevant.

See my last post.

(and learn a little bit about the Australian Constitution, while you're at it)

greggerypeccary

1. So you when is Doug going to do his run ?

2. Has this ever been done ?

3. He can not be in the house of reps unless he is a member of the lower house.

1. I don't think he's going to make a run.

2. John Gorton became Prime Minister when he was in the Senate (also, Senator George Pearse was acting PM for several months).

3. There is no Constitutional requirement for the Prime Minister to be in the House of Representatives. In fact, the office of Prime Minister is not even mentioned in the Constitution (nor are political parties).

so which part of PRACTICALITY are you not reading?

I'm not denying the validity of your comments at all.

We are both correct in this instance.

Settle petal.

I have a practical bent. Pedantry is one of my pet hates.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 145734 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #68 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:22am longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 12:02am: I have a practical bent. Pedantry is one of my pet hates. I like facts. Life's too short to harbour pet hates.
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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #69 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:10pm

What about Queen Kristine the Cute?

She deserves a reward for carrying the can for those nice people, Obeid and McDonald.

She's proven she's staunch and can be relied upon.

Seriously, if Oz had wanted a female PM, Kristine would have shyt all over Gillard.

She'd still be PM, and her polls would show an overwhelming win for Labor.

Why?

Because she's GOOD. She's bright. She gives a smack. And, unlike her backers in NSW
Labor, or the Abbott circus, you can believe her.

But she was so disgusted, she walked away, and I'm fecked if I can blame her. They
wanted her to go to Can't-berra, but she said no.

This is one fair-dinkum girl, and her treatment by Obeid et al, and the subsequent NSW
Labor loss, cost this county a true visionary future female PM.

Oh, if it had been her, instead of Gillard....

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #70 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:15pm If Gorton could do it, Cameron can do it. The Con-stitution hasn't changed in that respect.
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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #71 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:21pm

Kat wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

If Gorton could do it, Cameron can do it.

The Con-stitution hasn't changed in that respect.

Kat

If the ALP wants willy the grounds keeper to be come the ALP leader in a very unconventional way ..... go for it.

Since 2007 everything the ALP has either failed completely or failed to help them politically so they might as well pile on a new dumb mistake to the current pile of dumb ideas ........ Let me think what happened the last time the let a clapped out ex unionist lead the party ????

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