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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #15 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:46pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:26pm:

It doesn't matter who is the leader after the election and they're in opposition.
They'll spend X amount of months or years without direction and seeming like they're completely lost. They'll probably change leaders once or twice during that time.
The only leader that matters is the one that takes them to the next election - or the one after - or the one after that.

They all go through the same thing - the only thing that varies is how long it takes.

they were bad in govt imagine what they will be like in opposition...grooooooooooooooooan.

buzz will be beside himself... he blamed the Libs for ever for Labor being in govt in NSW for 15 years...the opposition was so bad they made anything look good.. according to the oracle buzz. Sad

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #16 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:50pm cods The ALP does not want a leader, they had two in 6 years that they knifed, surely that is enough for a trend ? Otherwise how many leaders does the ALP have to knife before your convinced they really don't want one. The fact they brought Rudd back merely suggest they wanted a popular mouth piece not a leader.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112763 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #17 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:53pm Peter Beattie will lead Labor after the defeat in less then 3 weeks time. You heard it first from Bobby.
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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #18 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:58pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Peter Beattie will lead Labor after the defeat in less then 3 weeks time. You heard it first from Bobby. The polls don't look to good for him, he needs to take a seat in a climate where the ALP is on the nose, he is against the current without a paddle.
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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #19 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:01pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

I don't like Combet, in fact he scares me a bit. But I can see him as a successful Labor leader in something of the old style.
But I don't think he is even standing for election. Not that that would be a hurdle a bit down the track if they wanted to draft him.

You have got to be joking throwing his name up, he is just a snippy ex-unionist who cut and ran when Rudd came back.

One of the big problems that got worse under Gillard was the perception that the union owns the ALP.

unfortunately, it was a perception under Rudd but an undeniable fact under Gillard.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #20 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:03pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

Peter Beattie will lead Labor after the defeat in less then 3 weeks time.

You heard it first from Bobby. Wink

The polls don't look to good for him, he needs to take a seat in a climate where the ALP is on the nose, he is against the current without a paddle.

He will win Forde & be the next opposition leader to
take Labor to victory in 2016.

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Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:04pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

life_goes_on

If you think the ALP is a genuine democratic party, what you need is a less popular hard head to bash the party into a competitive shape for the next election, there needs to be a big clean out of all the dead wood.

The ALP keeps saying they need to reform but the the party does not want to, so who leads the party is irrelevant. The public have seen far too much of the inner workings of the ALP especially out of the NSW ALP / Obied affair.

My view is that the ALP will need either Abbott to be a complete screw up or for the ALP to wait a decade or two.

ironically, what Labor needs now is a mssive electoral flogging. This is the sort of impetus that will force even the most pig-headed ALP faction leader to accept that there is a problem. And just as it was under Whitlam it will probably take a SECOND flogging in 20106 to finally get the party to reform and become viable again. The biggest tragedy of Rudd leading now is that his (fading) popularity will probably be enough to prevent the landslide that the ALP desperately needs to start the reform process.

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Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

cods

The ALP does not want a leader, they had two in 6 years that they knifed, surely that is enough for a trend ?

Otherwise how many leaders does the ALP have to knife before your convinced they really don't want one. The fact they brought Rudd back merely suggest they wanted a popular mouth piece not a leader.

The Libs had four leaders in six years, two knifed and one dumped by his own electorate.
Labor best get their act together because the indecent assaulter will be as popular as a fart in a sauna come three years time.

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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #24 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:13pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

cods

The ALP does not want a leader, they had two in 6 years that they knifed, surely that is enough for a trend ?

Otherwise how many leaders does the ALP have to knife before your convinced they really don't want one. The fact they brought Rudd back merely suggest they wanted a popular mouth piece not a leader.

so you dont think they will groom Sam Dastyari?..

they THOUGHT rudd was popular... thats what I mean ab out labor they take us for idiots.. no one can see or think for themselves..if they tell us rudd is the man for the job... we all go "yes of course if you say so"..

ha... not so.. thank god at last people are waking up and thinking for themselves.. and that goes for all politicians..

I am over being treated like an idiot..they act as if we owe them.. like hell now its all about manipulating the senate..ok if we cant win the lower house at least lets make it as unworkable as we can... Angry

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Reply #25 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:14pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Well you suggest someone. The lefties here are like stunned mullets and don't want to think about it.

bogarde73

That someone has to be able to get the factions into line.

The only reason they tolerate Rudd was because Gillard was as popular as a fart in a sauna.

That was a very negative reason to choose Rudd.

Given there will be less ALP MP's around and many of the current ones are bowing out its hard to see anyone who has the balls and public profile to stand up to the factions and the union.

Chris Bowen would be about the only name (if you insist on one), but everyone knows the bunny holding the bag after an election loss is a care taker leader at best, much like a night watchman in cricket.

My real answer is that the party needs to be more democratic and they need all new fresh faces...... especially the leader.

I am guessing they might use straws to work out who will lead the party, the unlucky one who draws the shortest gets the gig.

well actually the irony is that Gillard was popular INSIDE the ALP but outside, very unpopular. Rudd is the reverse.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #26 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:15pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Peter Beattie will lead Labor after the defeat in less then 3 weeks time. You heard it first from Bobby. you really are a stupid turd. Beattie is a long way behind in his seat and not expected to win.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #27 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:16pm I'd like to see Doug Cameron as PM/Leader... Get that one up you, Righties!!!!
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who is going to lead Labor? Reply #28 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:18pm Kat wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:16pm: I'd like to see Doug Cameron as PM/Leader... Get that one up you, Righties!!!! ??? You think anyon in liberal ranks is the slightest bit intimdated by ANYONE in the current labor ranks?
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Re: Who is going to lead Labor?
Reply #29 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:19pm

Kat wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

I'd like to see Doug Cameron as PM/Leader...

Get that one up you, Righties!!!!

what a bitter old man you are...I am sure you have met some very nice righties in your lifetime.. we are n ot all bad.. and not nearly as nasty as you are... you are just a sore loser thats all..even though you pretend to sit on the fence thats not the way you come across.

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