Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:


Not really.  I attended a church for a bit once that "felt" very charistmatic in nature, but there was no faith healing/ tounges /prophecy or the kind of things generally associated with those churches.

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:


That's even worse, it means God asked someone to slaughter his son and praised him for his willingness to do so in roder to simply make a point centuries in advance!

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:


The hell did you pull this from?  Is this backed up anywhere?

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:


You know, it really doesn't matter what you say in defence of your current stance, as your current stance involves killing babies.  Innocent babies, who are guilty of none of the crimes you have listed.

I don't stand on the side of pretty much any of those things (admittedly I don't really care if anyone is involved in sorcery spiritism, idolatry or homosexuality as long as it doesn't hurt anyone), but that doesn't mean I think they deserve to be murdered, geez.

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:


Come on FD, why would you doubt that women would desire to have sex with the very men responsible for beheading their innocent, literate, faithful, peaceful, productive husbands, fathers even their little sons and nephews, who raped their little daughters and nieces and sisters and moms?
The Jews of Medina were everything that Muhammad and his band of fellow cutthroat, rapist thieves were not.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

For that matter, why would you doubt women would desire to have sex with their captors, even while their husbands were still alive?

Surah 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0

Sahih Muslim: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

After all, women are just property - just chattel - aren't they? Do you suppose gand's house is titled in both his and his wife's names?

Gand doesn't "dignify" the rape of captives with a response, because he knows that to deny that Muhammad and his boys raped those little Jewish girls and women would be an openly transparent and bold faced lie.
Yet he continues to reject the sinless Messiah and the whole subject of the Gospel - the one true God of the scriptures - as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record to mankind whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

From Bukhari considered the most "divinely" inspired Hadith collection:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence. Bukhari B34 #432

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence." B46 #718

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." B59 #459

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." B62 #137

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created." B77 #600

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relation with them without impregnating them. So they asked the Prophet about coitus interruptus. The Prophet said, "It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection." Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Sa'id saying that the Prophet said, 'No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it."  (B93 #506

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:


Sure, its called common sense.

Stratos wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:


How could he do anything when he did not exist? He was just a figment of an overripe Jewish writers imagination.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 9:41am:



Wanna murder someone, for the glory of Allah ???

Then you should follow Mohammed's example!





Allah himself, suggests commands that moslems who imitate the behaviour and actions of Mohammed, would be righteous people in his eyes.....


"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
Koran 33.21


"The people of (the tribe of) Quraiza agreed upon to accept the verdict of Sa'd. The Prophet sent for him (Sa'd) and he came. The Prophet said (to those people), "Get up for your chief or the best among you!" Sa'd sat beside the Prophet and the Prophet said (to him), "These people have agreed to accept your verdict." Sa'd said, "So I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed and their women and children should be taken as captives." The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.074.278

Really? Please do elaborate FD. Specific examples of Muhammad's successors invoking this "sunna" whenever they slaughtered POWs if you would.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

In the 8th and early 9th century many Muslim jurists, such as Ash-Shafii, based their judgments and decrees supporting collective punishment for treachery on the accounts of the demise of the Qurayza, with which they were well acquainted.[72]

The Qur'an briefly refers to the incident in Surah 33:26[18] and Muslim jurists have looked upon Surah 8:55-58 as a justification of the treatment of the Banu Qurayza, arguing that the Qurayza broke their pact with Muhammad, and thus Muhammad was justified in repudiating his side of the pact and killing the Qurayza en masse.[50]

Arab Muslim theologians and historians[who?] have either viewed the incident as "the punishment of the Medina Jews, who were invited to convert and refused, perfectly exemplify the Quran's tales of what happened to those who rejected the prophets of old" or offered a political, rather than religious, explanation.[71]

Muhammed engaged in collective punishment. His successors thought this was an excellent example to follow, so they slaughtered Jews too. Gandalf also thinks it was an excellent example to follow, but refuses to explain what he means by that, other than to make up excuses to try to justify what Muhammed did.