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Reply #30 - May 30th, 2013 at 4:46pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
That's what I am talking about. White racists and extreme Muslims attack or threaten to attack to force others follow their own value/culture.


Same issue as always. If you don't like Australian culture, don't come to Australia. How hard is it to get?

Don't like rugby league? Don't join the local rugby club and complain about the game.

How many years until the penny drops? (Although you probably don't even know what that means. It would require learning something about the country you are living in.

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The law should stop both of them.


Yes, that's right. We should have laws to impose freedom. Only through forcing all white Australians to abandon their culture and learn Chinese will we have true freedom. Otherwise we will have a ssseparwated sssosciety.

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Reply #31 - May 30th, 2013 at 5:22pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
The liberty argument is a dumb one.
Everyone wants others to absorb and abide by their views; everyone has a set of morals that they believe others ought to follow.

The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom."




The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom."

IMO,
The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom", without self-responsibility or self-restraint.

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Reply #32 - May 30th, 2013 at 7:56pm
 
what went wrong?






Ranking Ethics
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1292918320/24#24
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IMO, there is probably nothing more unethical in the world today, than the 'humanist' worldview, and those who promote so called liberal 'ethics'.




IMO, this generation of mankind has lost the ability to discern between good and evil.

The Judeao-Christian standards and morality, that guided our present culture in its formative period, has been almost entirely abandoned.
Why is that?

Just take a moment, and look at the total moral mess the Western world is in today.
IMO, this is the consequence largely, of the influence of 'academics' and godless social 'theorists'!
IMO, almost all of the 'humanist', and social engineering type areas of academia, are clearly, divorced from reality.
They are living in a la-la-land, and are unethically ignoring the consequences of their own mistaken social experiments.
They are engrossed in a politically correct idiocy, which is a denial of the real world consequences of their own moral 'inadequacy'.
i.e.
These people who promote 'humanist values' are totally, morally corrupt, and they seem to exhibit a hatred for truth.
And why?
Because the truth confronts and exposes the error of their claptrap [<--- that's a technical term] social theories.

Humanist, and liberal ethics seem embrace an idea, and want to teach us, that man is naturally good.

Today, our children are taught that it is wrong to try to 'discriminate' between good and evil, and to reject what is evil.
Today, they and we, are taught that, essentially, good and evil do not exist.
And we are taught that all people are equally like us.
Today, those who abandon standards, and moral discernment are said to be 'tolerant'.
And we are taught that to differentiate the merits of different cultures, is wrong, and 'racist'.

IMO, refusing to condemn the wicked, so as to 'avoid conflict', and so as to promote 'social harmony', is not an ethical position.
It is idiocy.


IMO, 'humanism', teaches mankind, to abandon all spiritual discernment.
IMO, such a position, teaches mankind, to embrace an empty, worldly, 'humanist' 'value' system, a 'religion', a political system, which uses the authority of a false 'righteousness', to rule over a 'blind', worldly directed mankind, imo.

'Humanism' spiritually guts us, imo.

We are taught, to abandon all spiritual discernment, and instead, embrace an 'empty', worldly 'value' system.
And 'humanism' often seeks to puff up our self pride, but leaves us without any discernment, and without a moral compass and without any spiritual hope.
We are spiritually, dumbed down by 'humanist' values.
And it is intentional 'end game', imo.


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Reply #33 - May 30th, 2013 at 10:12pm
 
Australian Culture is not defined by you. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures not white culture only.

I already came to Australia. I have the same right to say what is Australian culture as you.

I won't force you to follow my culture and you have no rights to force me to follow your culture. Be aware, your culture is not Australian culture but only a part of Australian culture.

Quantum wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:55pm:
That's what I am talking about. White racists and extreme Muslims attack or threaten to attack to force others follow their own value/culture.


Same issue as always. If you don't like Australian culture, don't come to Australia. How hard is it to get?

Don't like rugby league? Don't join the local rugby club and complain about the game.

How many years until the penny drops? (Although you probably don't even know what that means. It would require learning something about the country you are living in.

Quote:
The law should stop both of them.


Yes, that's right. We should have laws to impose freedom. Only through forcing all white Australians to abandon their culture and learn Chinese will we have true freedom. Otherwise we will have a ssseparwated sssosciety.


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Reply #34 - May 30th, 2013 at 10:17pm
 
Didn't you read the news? Do you remember the french girl on the bus of Melbourne several months ago? And the Asian victims attacked by racists on the train of Sydney last year.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am:
The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.




The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.


When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk?

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Reply #35 - May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm
 
I believe there is a misunderstanding or some racists try to mislead others. They use extreme Muslims as the bad examples of multiculturalism. But the problem is extreme Muslims show no multiculturalism. Actually, they are against multiculturalism as white racists.

The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.
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Reply #36 - May 30th, 2013 at 10:50pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Australian Culture is not defined by you. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures not white culture only.




I already came to Australia. I have the same right to say what is Australian culture as you.

I won't force you to follow my culture and you have no rights to force me to follow your culture.


Be aware, your culture is not Australian culture but only a part of Australian culture.







The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday.

Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations.

And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60].

Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.




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"IMO, if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile.

We merely corrupt that which is precious.....

.....e.g.
I have two buckets.
The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water.
The second bucket is full of sewage.

Q.
If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get?

A.
A third container, full of diluted sewage.

Conclusion?
While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container.

So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.",
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

It is a process, a progression."



Yadda explains 'Universality' i.e. 'humanism'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/55#55

and...
an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/30#30




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Re: what went wrong?
Reply #37 - May 30th, 2013 at 11:00pm
 
Before the period you told about, the culture in Australia was Aboriginal culture in several thousands years.

The culture always change because the people in Australia always change. You can not chose only a 100-years-period in the history to prove Australian culture is white culture. Australian culture was not only white culture, is not only white culture and will be not only white culture.

BTW, for most of the people of this world including me, the culture in Australia in 1950s and the White Australia Policy is not precious but criminal and shame. It is against human rights and liberty. It's the dark period in the history of Australia.

Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:50pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Australian Culture is not defined by you. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures not white culture only.




I already came to Australia. I have the same right to say what is Australian culture as you.

I won't force you to follow my culture and you have no rights to force me to follow your culture.


Be aware, your culture is not Australian culture but only a part of Australian culture.







The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday.

Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations.

And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60].

Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.




Quote:

"IMO, if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile.

We merely corrupt that which is precious.....

.....e.g.
I have two buckets.
The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water.
The second bucket is full of sewage.

Q.
If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get?

A.
A third container, full of diluted sewage.

Conclusion?
While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container.

So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.",
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

It is a process, a progression."



Yadda explains 'Universality' i.e. 'humanism'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/55#55

and...
an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/30#30




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Reply #38 - May 30th, 2013 at 11:33pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:17pm:
Didn't you read the news? Do you remember the french girl on the bus of Melbourne several months ago? And the Asian victims attacked by racists on the train of Sydney last year.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am:
The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.




The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.


When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk?



Those French people were white, so I don't know how racism comes into it.

If you want to experience some real racism, hang out in western Sydney train stations at night or around Lakemba and Bankstown. The Middle Easterners will show you some real racial brutality, not this softcock stuff the 'racist' whites do. Then try some of the parks in country towns around Australia at night. I am sure the local drunken Aboriginials will treat you to a good time with a few broken beer bottles over the face.
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Reply #39 - May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm:
ists.

The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.



Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.


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Reply #40 - May 30th, 2013 at 11:52pm
 
An Asian passenger was hard wounded by several white racists on the train of Sydney last year.

The french girl is white but the racists threaten her to speak English instead of French. Some extreme racists hate any other culture. 

I agree the extreme Muslims are racists too. I am against both the white racists and the Islamic racists.



Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:33pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:17pm:
Didn't you read the news? Do you remember the french girl on the bus of Melbourne several months ago? And the Asian victims attacked by racists on the train of Sydney last year.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am:
The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.




The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.


When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk?



Those French people were white, so I don't know how racism comes into it.

If you want to experience some real racism, hang out in western Sydney train stations at night or around Lakemba and Bankstown. The Middle Easterners will show you some real racial brutality, not this softcock stuff the 'racist' whites do. Then try some of the parks in country towns around Australia at night. I am sure the local drunken Aboriginials will treat you to a good time with a few broken beer bottles over the face.
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Reply #41 - May 30th, 2013 at 11:54pm
 
You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights.

The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? Why we are against Hitler butcher Jew in Germany? And what are universal values?

Do you believe there are universal values?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm:
ists.

The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.



Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.


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Reply #42 - May 30th, 2013 at 11:59pm
 
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:54pm:
You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights.

The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? And what is universal values?

Do you believe there are universal values?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm:
ists.

The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.



Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.




There's a problem here.

"Living in one's own culture is a human right."

But whites wanting to live in their culture is racist.

Hmmm ... something just doesn't add up.
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Reply #43 - May 31st, 2013 at 12:01am
 
White can live in their own culture. At the same time, their neighbor have the rights to live in their own culture too.

You live in your own culture is your human right, but if you force your neighbor to live in your culture, you are a racist.

When you talk about living in your own culture, it doesn't mean your neighbor have to live in your culture too.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:59pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:54pm:
You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights.

The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? And what is universal values?

Do you believe there are universal values?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm:
ists.

The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.



Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.




There's a problem here.

"Living in one's own culture is a human right."

But whites wanting to live in their culture is racist.

Hmmm ... something just doesn't add up.

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Reply #44 - May 31st, 2013 at 12:47am
 
China = Chinese culture
India = Indian culture
Saudi Arabia = Islamic culture
Etc

Australia = total clusterfvck of everything above.

According to you Australia doesn't have it's own culture. It just has many people from all around the world living by the culture that they bring from their home land. We have to respect their culture that they bring from their nation and not force them to assimilate into our ways. Of course this only applies to western nations. The examples above are free to keep living by their cultural traditions.

Seriously Bowen... You're a fvckwit. And it is buggers like you who create white supremacists.

This attitude that it is ok for you to come to our country and preserve your cultural identity at the cost of our own culture is what pisses people off. You only have to look at Europe to see the end result of multiculturalism. White Australians are getting sick of foreigners coming here and telling us that we don't have our own culture. We do, and we are sick of people like you coming here and telling us that we don't. We are also sick of people like you demanding respect for your culture while showing nothing but disrespect towards ours. You come here and then claim that you can tell us how our nation will be run and that we don't get a say.

Again, it is people like you that creates the racial tension. It is nothing more than the psychological equivalent of; every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The more pro Chinese you are, the more pro white Australian attitude you are going to get back.
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