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Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:16pm
 
'Frauds' granted refugee status as determination process breaks down
BY:GREG SHERIDAN, FOREIGN EDITOR

AUSTRALIA'S refugee determination process has broken down completely, admitting large numbers of people whose claims to refugee status are fraudulent.
The claims come from a former senior Immigration Department official who says the system favours those who tell lies over those who tell the truth, is easily scammed and has become utterly dysfunctional.
"Having considerable experience interviewing and assessing boat arrival claims, I can confidently say ... that we are approving large numbers of people who are fabricating claims," he wrote in an unpublished account of the process, obtained by The Weekend Australian.
"Indeed, the current refugee determination system works in favour of those who are most adept at spinning a yarn."
The former official talks of asylum-seekers "enhancing and inventing" claims that satisfy one level or another of the multi-layered refugee status determination and appeals procedures.
A spokesman for Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor said there was no processing of any asylum-seeker who arrived after August 13 last year. This halt was to give effect to the Houston committee's recommendation that those who arrive by boat should secure "no advantage" over those awaiting resettlement in refugee camps overseas.
The government also announced, in the budget, a broader review of the refugee determination process.
The Weekend Australian also interviewed a former member of the Refugee Review Tribunal, who worked on the independent merits review processes for asylum-seekers.
He said that asylum-seekers on Christmas Island told him they had simply copied their claims from other applicants who had beensuccessful.
The former tribunal member said that transcripts of court cases in which asylum-seeker appeals had been upheld circulated widely on Christmas Island so that claimants, and their advocates, could see what testimony had been successful.
"I would sometimes receive a completely compelling story that was impossible to refuse," the former tribunal member said. "The problem is I would receive 100 other identical stories with only the names changed."
He said that administrative pressures constituted an effective bias in favour of accepting claims to refugee status. If he gave a negative decision on an asylum-seeker's claim on appeal, he would need to write an extensive judgment because it would inevitably be appealed to the courts. If he approved an asylum-seeker's claim, he could write a pro-forma decision as it would never be reviewed.
He also reported that middle-class Iranian asylum-seekers often arrived in Christmas Island barely a week after leaving Tehran and exhibited an aggressive "entitlement mentality".
"I had a colleague producing five 'yes' decisions a day," the former tribunal member said. "The (Immigration) department loved him because of the numbers of cases he could clear."
The former Immigration Department officer said that asylum-seekers would communicate on the phone and the internet with potential asylum-seekers in their home countries to brief them on the best explanations to use in order to get a favourable outcome.
This backs up testimony from former minister Philip Ruddock that recordings of interviews by Australian officials with asylum-seekers were sold in Asian markets as helpful preparation for people intending to make illegal journeys to Australia.
"I believe that Australia should be assisting people in overseas refugee situations through financial, logistical and diplomatic assistance but we cannot solve these situations by the unrestricted entry of people, most of whom are not from the most disadvantaged strata of their societies," the former immigration official wrote.
He also concluded that "literally millions" of people could successfully claim asylum in Australia if they could get here, if the refugee convention were interpreted the way the UN says it should be.
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Reply #1 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:16pm
 
People are fed up with continued growth in asylum-seeker numbers
BY:GREG SHERIDAN, FOREIGN EDITOR
From:The Australian
June 13, 2013 12:00AM

THE Australian people are completely fed up with the boatpeople saga. Chief among their concerns is a decent humanitarian desire to stop the drownings that accompany the people-smuggling trade.
But that is not the whole story. The Australian people in their overwhelming majority want the national government to reassert national sovereignty over our borders. When the flow of illegal arrivals in our north started after Labor abolished John Howard's policies in 2008, all the wiseacres said it was silly to get exercised about the relatively small numbers who initially arrived.
But as anyone who had studied these flows for a moment knew, once an illegal entry flow is established, it will grow and grow and grow.
With this week's boats, the total number of refugees who have come since Labor softened the policy is 43,660. But the rate keeps on accelerating and as long as people keep arriving in Australia and don't get sent back, there is really no natural limit to the level it might reach. If you convert the past three months to an annual rate, illegal arrivals are now coming at 40,000 a year. Even without counting the inevitable family reunion chain migration that will follow, you only need that rate for a few years and you are dealing with hundreds of thousands of low-skilled, mainly Muslim immigrants, predominantly with poor English. This is a devastating crisis building up for Australia.
Many Western countries are toughening up their approaches to stop illegal immigration, or the rorting of legal systems. Canada, which has a far smaller rate of boat arrivals than Australia, has now instituted a system of effective temporary protection visas, mandatory detention, declining welfare benefits and the like.
Visas for spouses have been cut down hugely in Denmark and Britain because these are rorted so heavily, and asylum-seeker rules were tightened in Germany.
France and many other European nations have taken comparable action.
In our own region, no nation is remotely as generous, or remotely as soft a touch, as Australia.
Singapore, the richest country in Southeast Asia, could effortlessly absorb 10,000 asylum-seekers a year if it wanted to. But Singapore gets no asylum-seekers because it will accept no asylum-seekers. Singapore understands that if it accepted 10,000 people turning up on its shores this year, then next year it would be dealing with 30,000, and 50,000 the year after.
Similarly, no numbers of any consequence come from the Middle East to Japan or South Korea. Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young's recent contention that Australia had the harshest, or one of the harshest, regimes in the world is a typical Greens contribution -- completely and utterly the opposite of reality. As Labor's former immigration minister Gerry Hand points out, no one in Australia's extended region provides anything like the benefits, security, layers of appeal and effective lack of repatriation that Australia does.
I write all this with sadness. I have always been, and remain, a strong supporter of a big, generous, legal immigration program. I am absolutely opposed to illegal arrivals.
The key concept to understanding what is going on is to recognise that we are dealing with determined immigration rather than a classic refugee situation. This is true even if you accept that the majority of people coming to Australia could qualify as refugees. They make their decisions about where to seek permanent residence on the basis of which nation is the softest touch and which offers the most extensive welfare.
The refugee convention envisages people fleeing across borders to avoid persecution. Consider Sri Lankan Tamils. There are tens of millions of Tamils living next door to Sri Lanka in India. They are certainly not persecuted. But India is poorer than Sri Lanka. Australia is much richer. So they choose Australia, not India. That is an immigration decision, not a refugee decision.
Consider Iranians, now the biggest source of illegal arrivals in Australia. Iran has a horrible government but it does not persecute big minority populations internally. Everyone deals with the same horrible political system.
For a middle-class Iranian to fly to Malaysia, where they get visa-free entry, to then take a small illegal boat to Indonesia and then get on a boat to Australia indicates a huge desire to live in Australia. It also indicates a belief that once here they won't be sent back. But it says nothing about a real refugee situation.
Part of the problem is the moral and political intimidation that comes the way of anyone who tries to speak about this honestly.
The Australian Press Council, for example, has ruled that I may not call people who arrive illegally, illegal immigrants. I respect the Press Council, and the integrity with which it deals with such questions. But I believe its ruling is wrong in fundamentally important ways. It leads to a contortion of language and an inability to discuss the issue properly.
It is similar to the coercive political correctness, and the institutional enforcement of a left-liberal ideological world view, which has previously crippled Europe in its ability to deal with illegal immigration. The fraudulent and offensive use of Holocaust rhetoric and analogies rendered sensible debate all but impossible. You either let everyone in or you were Adolf Hitler. Europe
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Reply #2 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 8:53am
 
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Are there any limits to who can apply for asylum?


Jacob Oldfeld 15 June 2013

Yesterday morning 10,000 Chinese soldiers arrived in Bateman’s Bay, NSW, claiming they were asylum-seekers. They were ferried to the beach during the night from six naval vessels anchored off shore. The post master, the only Commonwealth official in the town, told them he could not process their applications and suggested they apply to the Department of Immigration in Canberra. After breakfasting from their packs, the soldiers assembled into a long column and marched off along the Canberra road.

An emergency meeting of Cabinet was held in Canberra later in the morning. Copies of the departmental submissions, to which are added ‘talking points’ supplied by ministerial staffers, have fallen into my hands. They are reproduced below.

Chief of the Navy

Questions may be asked as to how six naval vessels could unload these asylum-seekers undetected. All Defence White Papers have declared that the threats to Australia will come from the north. Accordingly ships and resources are concentrated in that region. Plans have regularly been made to relocate the ships berthed in Sydney Harbour to Jervis Bay (which is Commonwealth territory, close to Bateman’s Bay) but they have never been actioned because governments of both parties have accepted it would constitute hardship to require the wives of senior naval officers to move from Sydney to Jervis Bay.

Talking point: It is fortunate that the Coalition is not in power for it may have attempted to stop these boats, with disastrous consequences.

Chief of the Army

Most of our infantry battalions are stationed in Townsville and Darwin. Only a small force of 1,000 men, lightly armed, could be assembled in the next few hours. They could attempt to stop the progress of the asylum-seekers at a strategic point where the Canberra road ascends through the coastal range. If the asylum-seekers persisted with their intention of reaching Canberra, they would have to be resisted by force. A holding operation awaiting the arrival of heavier weaponry would nevertheless involve casualties. It should be considered whether the Australian people are ready to see sacrifices of, say, 100 or 200 service personnel in such an operation. It has become the practice of the Prime Minister and leader of the opposition to attend funerals of all service personnel who die in action. Attendance at this number of funerals might be thought too serious an interruption to the business of government. There would also be an increase in the number of cases of post-traumatic stress disorder. At a time of cutbacks to the defence budget, we are under pressure to keep these to a minimum.

On balance, the Army considers that even if the government’s legal advisers decide that these soldiers can be considered an invading force, it would be more advisable to treat them as asylum-seekers and not impede their march to Canberra.

Talking point: If any person or group calls these asylum-seekers an invading force, they should be criticised as racists and xenophobes.

Department of the Attorney-General

There is nothing in the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees or its 1967 Protocol that would prevent soldiers in uniform carrying weapons from making a claim for asylum. It is certain that the High Court would adopt this position if the matter were litigated there. The leading refugee advocacy group has been informally consulted. It confirms that it would run a case on behalf of any soldier whose claim for asylum was not considered. It would seek special government funding in order to run what would be a landmark case.

Talking point: Australia would be failing in its international obligations if it did not treat the Chinese soldiers as asylum-seekers and consider their claims. There is no such thing as an illegal arrival.

Department of Immigration

An assessment has been made of facilities for accommodating 10,000 asylum-seekers in Canberra. Option 1 is the oval, grandstand and exhibition sheds of the Canberra Showgrounds. Option 2 is the largest building in the city, Parliament House.

The facilities at the Showgrounds would be adequate, but since tyrannical regimes have often used sports stadia to hold detainees, this option might cast doubt on whether the government’s policy of a humanitarian treatment of asylum-seekers was being followed. No such objection could be made to Option 2. It will be remembered that the Chinese President addressed a joint sitting of the Houses so a strong association between this building and China already exists. Fortunately parliament is not in session and only a skeleton staff remains. If these were re-located to the Showgrounds, the whole building would be available to the asylum-seekers. It is assumed they carry some form of bedding and cooking equipment. The asylum-seekers would have to be supplied with rice but the cost of staffing the restaurants, coffee lounges and so on would be avoided.

Talking point: Only the Labor government with its policy of accommodating asylum-seekers in the community could think of housing 10,000 Chinese soldiers in Parliament House.
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Reply #3 - Jun 20th, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
Greg Sheridan wrote:
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The refugee convention envisages people fleeing across borders to avoid persecution. Consider Sri Lankan Tamils. There are tens of millions of Tamils living next door to Sri Lanka in India. They are certainly not persecuted. But India is poorer than Sri Lanka. Australia is much richer. So they choose Australia, not India. That is an immigration decision, not a refugee decision.
Consider Iranians, now the biggest source of illegal arrivals in Australia. Iran has a horrible government but it does not persecute big minority populations internally. Everyone deals with the same horrible political system.


Sheridan is being dishonest. Take a look at a map of the signatories to the refugee convention:

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They don't go to India, because India is not a signatory to the convention. They probably wouldn't even be accepted - as India is under no international obligation to accept them.

He is also being dishonest implying that most asylum seekers are merely middle class "economic" migrants. I think the statistics will show that most asylum seekers are people from one of the persecuted minorities - namely the hazaras and tamils, as well as others including Rohingyas, who have literally fled for their lives. Most of them have spent time in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. I'm sure Sheridan and his ilk would be more than happy for them to languish there with no working, welfare or education rights indefinitely. However I, and I'm sure most reasonable people, would have no problem with them taking the initiative and seeking a better life for themselves and their children. In fact those proactive, initiative-seeking people are  just the sort of people we should be welcoming.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 4:34pm:
Sheridan is being dishonest.



Dishonesty when discussing refugees?

Gee, I dunno   Undecided
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 4:34pm:
Greg Sheridan wrote:
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The refugee convention envisages people fleeing across borders to avoid persecution. Consider Sri Lankan Tamils. There are tens of millions of Tamils living next door to Sri Lanka in India. They are certainly not persecuted. But India is poorer than Sri Lanka. Australia is much richer. So they choose Australia, not India. That is an immigration decision, not a refugee decision.
Consider Iranians, now the biggest source of illegal arrivals in Australia. Iran has a horrible government but it does not persecute big minority populations internally. Everyone deals with the same horrible political system.


Sheridan is being dishonest. Take a look at a map of the signatories to the refugee convention:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG/8...

They don't go to India, because India is not a signatory to the convention. They probably wouldn't even be accepted - as India is under no international obligation to accept them.

He is also being dishonest implying that most asylum seekers are merely middle class "economic" migrants. I think the statistics will show that most asylum seekers are people from one of the persecuted minorities - namely the hazaras and tamils, as well as others including Rohingyas, who have literally fled for their lives. Most of them have spent time in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. I'm sure Sheridan and his ilk would be more than happy for them to languish there with no working, welfare or education rights indefinitely. However I, and I'm sure most reasonable people, would have no problem with them taking the initiative and seeking a better life for themselves and their children. In fact those proactive, initiative-seeking people are  just the sort of people we should be welcoming.



As DIAC statistics show, Iranians are the largest illegal boat people cohort. Not a minority. They have  money and they know what they want.

They all go visa-free to Malaysia and Indonesia, being Muslims - but the hospitality ends there. No actual refuge to fellow Muslims. Why?

The Indonesians and Malays, knowing what kind of 'tourism' is their true  purpose, let them use their countries as people smuggling stations. The Indos and the Malays know that they have tens of thousands of Middle Eastern Muslims entering their countries officially - but they have no record of these guys officially exiting. And you think they are not fully aware of what's happening  and what their contribution is?
BS

Imagine the stink these fvckers would kick up if we let tens of thousands of people enter their countries illegally from Australia. They would probably machine-gun them into the sea the moment they appear on the horizon. And they know we are not like them and they are exploiting it to the max.

These smacking Indonesians had no problem with locating 5 Australian journalist in Bilabo, East Timor, 40 years ago and executing them for being there - but they somehow have no fvckn idea where they have put tens of thousands of Middle Eastern Muslim tourist??

BS.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 4:48pm:
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 4:34pm:
Greg Sheridan wrote:
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The refugee convention envisages people fleeing across borders to avoid persecution. Consider Sri Lankan Tamils. There are tens of millions of Tamils living next door to Sri Lanka in India. They are certainly not persecuted. But India is poorer than Sri Lanka. Australia is much richer. So they choose Australia, not India. That is an immigration decision, not a refugee decision.
Consider Iranians, now the biggest source of illegal arrivals in Australia. Iran has a horrible government but it does not persecute big minority populations internally. Everyone deals with the same horrible political system.


Sheridan is being dishonest. Take a look at a map of the signatories to the refugee convention:



Interesting. The Horn of Africa or Yemen appear closer to Sri Lanka than Australia.

And anyway - what does it tell you about the Tamils if they can't take their own kind, whether there is a convention or not. The Germans absorbed millions of their fellow Germans and did not wait for a convention. Jews ditto. In fact almost every ethinicity in Central Europe in the last 100 years, ditto. 

WHere's the 'simpatico' among today's refugee populations towards their own kind? I wonder. Their 'brothers and sister' don't want them - not in the the Middle East, not among the Arabs, the Persians, the Turks, Hazaras, Kurds, Schmurds, the subcontinental Indians of a million religious persuasions, not the Africans with their millions of tribal and religious persuasions.   
Really? The closest refuge all of them have is Sydney.
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Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 8:52pm:


As DIAC statistics show, Iranians are the largest illegal boat people cohort. Not a minority. They have  money and they know what they want.

They all go visa-free to Malaysia and Indonesia, being Muslims - but the hospitality ends there. No actual refuge to fellow Muslims. Why?

The Indonesians and Malays, knowing what kind of 'tourism' is their true  purpose, let them use their countries as people smuggling stations. The Indos and the Malays know that they have tens of thousands of Middle Eastern Muslims entering their countries officially - but they have no record of these guys officially exiting. And you think they are not fully aware of what's happening  and what their contribution is?
BS

Imagine the stink these fvckers would kick up if we let tens of thousands of people enter their countries illegally from Australia. They would probably machine-gun them into the sea the moment they appear on the horizon. And they know we are not like them and they are exploiting it to the max.

These smacking Indonesians had no problem with locating 5 Australian journalist in Bilabo, East Timor, 40 years ago and executing them for being there - but they somehow have no fvckn idea where they have put tens of thousands of Middle Eastern Muslim tourist??

BS.




now, this is the truth.
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Reply #9 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
As DIAC statistics show, Iranians are the largest illegal boat people cohort. Not a minority. They have  money and they know what they want.


What nonsense. Refugees from Iran include members of persecuted minorities - including Ahwazi arabs and christians. Since the 2009 protests, there have also been a lot of democracy advocates fleeing for their lives. Many of these asylum seekers are middle class and secular, and yes they can afford people smugglers - but that doesn't make them any less genuine refugees. Sheridan's portrayal of them as economic migrants is plainly dishonest.

Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 9:37pm:
And anyway - what does it tell you about the Tamils if they can't take their own kind, whether there is a convention or not. The Germans absorbed millions of their fellow Germans and did not wait for a convention. Jews ditto. In fact almost every ethinicity in Central Europe in the last 100 years, ditto. 


Clearly Soren, the difference is that the Germans and jews and central Europeans are white, and therefore superior - while the tamils are brown, short and speak silly - and therefore inferior.  Tongue

Your racism couldn't be any more blatant. Clearly when other tamils reject the refugees, then we can draw negative conclusions about the refugees themselves - cause their the same blood right? I've heard the same arguments justifying the demonization of Palestinian refugees because they are treated badly by other arabs. Paint them all with the same brush - it justifies demonizing anyone with brown skin.
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Your evasion is just too obvious.
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Reply #11 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:32pm
 
what evasion? That the thread title is just a flat out lie? "evading" the entire topic of the thread by pointing out the lies you and Greg are spouting about Iranian and Tamil refugees?
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Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 4:48pm:
Gee, I dunno   Undecided



Yes, that's you, peanut.




Oh, you're in this thread.

Well excuse me.

In that case, there certainly will be dishonesty.

Carry on.
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 11:00am
 
Old boy, it’s good to see you providing some sound, credible evidence to back up your case. I can see how it would be in immigration officers’ interests to approve refugee claims. This makes perfect sense.

I have also seen the sense of entitlement many Iranians bring with them. This group, in my experience, are most adept at milking the system for what it’s worth. Iranians themselves have also told me this.

But one thing is unclear to me - why would Iranians come by boat? Tehran’s got a huge airport, Iranians do not struggle to get tourist visas to Australia (as Afghans and Sri Lankans do), and there’s a huge Iranian community to offer accommodation and make family visits legitimate.

Why come by boat when they can fly at a fraction of the price?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:50pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
As DIAC statistics show, Iranians are the largest illegal boat people cohort. Not a minority. They have  money and they know what they want.


What nonsense. Refugees from Iran include members of persecuted minorities - including Ahwazi arabs and christians. Since the 2009 protests, there have also been a lot of democracy advocates fleeing for their lives. Many of these asylum seekers are middle class and secular, and yes they can afford people smugglers - but that doesn't make them any less genuine refugees. Sheridan's portrayal of them as economic migrants is plainly dishonest..


True. Many of the Iranians I’ve worked with have long histories of persecution, and for some, torture. They are largely agnostic or atheist - some Marxists. I’d describe most as legitimate refugees, but I’ve also met skilled migrants from Iran. I rarely ask how people got in.

I do, however, have my doubts about many Sri Lankan refugees. When I went there I met many people who had applied to come to Australia. A few asked my advice on how to get in. Sri Lankans are increasingly fed up with their political and economic situation. They were promised milk and honey after the war, and this has not eventuated. Much of the country’s being sold off to foreign investers, and very few Sri Lankans are seeing any benefit. Sri Lankans are, on the whole, very well educated, speak good English, and are outward looking. The big middle class see themselves as global citizens and travellers - a legacy of migration and their inclusion in the Commonwealth. Sri Lankans traditionally formed business and legal cliques throughout the British Empire. Ethnic Sri Lankans are still influential in Malaysian and Singaporean legal circles, and are big in the region’s business. There are a number of Sri Lankan billionaires in South East Asia.

The civil war shut the place down completely, and now - 30 years on - Sri.Lankans are denied visas almost everywhere. I was told they can get work visas in the Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Singapore - that’s it. Almost everywhere restricts tourist visas to Sri Lankans and assesses each application seriously - as you would. For most Sri Lankans, there’s only one way out, and that’s by boat.
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