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Reply #75 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 7:27pm

Amadd wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Maybe, but the line in that song which immediately comes to mind for me is "he ducked back down the alley way with some rolly polly little bat-faced girl". Grin

The song itself doesn't have an anxious feel to it.

Yes, the anxiety is momentary... A 3:00AM of the subject's soul - although moments of angst recur throughout the song...

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What will be our fate [after we pass over]??? Reply #76 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 8:49pm Quote: Yes, the anxiety is momentary... A 3:00AM of the subject's soul - although moments of angst recur throughout the song... OK, I probably took it as the hour before death as 4am is a common time to die.
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Reply #77 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2013 at 12:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 9:25am:

Maybe - I'm not sure why faith is so important for some. If you do something, you get certain results. I would never ask someone to do something they didn't understand merely because I believed there would be a payoff in some vague place after you die.

If that's what faith is, it's a crock.

As the Christian prophet Jesus of Nazareth said, the Kingdom of Heaven is within.

I believe, at the "3:00AM of our soul", we all want to have faith... In something (maybe anything).

It seems the film 'Kumare' demonstrates that this very human desire can be evoked in many who, through this fundamental need to have faith, find 'the kingdom within' (in whatever form the 'kingdom' manifests within the individual).

It can be healthy, or sometimes dangerous... Imperatives arising from perceptions of the 'Kingdom', it appears, can transcend norms of good and evil and the believer finds he is capable of burning the village in order to save it (or, in other words, through best intentions, will destroy that which he sets out to save - 'Let me save you from drowning' said the monkey to the fish as he placed it carefully up the tree).

Maybe the need for faith is the need to believe one can transcend one's limitations, in the spirit of 'Possunt, quia posse videntur' - 'They can because they think they can'.

Maybe faith is one of the human faculties that makes greatness possible. Maybe it is the sine qua non of greatness.

What faith does is it takes the emphasis off yourself as the doer. The dissolution of the ego is essential for spiritual evolution.

Mind itself is not individual. The Kingdom might be within, but within leads to without. That Oneness people call God is in all things. It is the very nature of all things.

Journeying within is essentially a process of discovering who you truly are, which is not who you thought you were.

There is a lot of Western baggage we need to overcome to awaken. We’ve been taught to be individualistic, critical thinkers. We’ve been taught that the purpose of life is consumption, comfort and pleasure. We’ve been taught to go for our desires, not extinguish desire itself. Greed has been elevated to become a patriotic virtue that keeps ourselves and the economy going.

To evolve and awaken "spiritually", we need to critically unpack this baggage, and leave it behind. Undoing the imperative of luxury is one of the biggest obstacles Westerners face on the path. We are so used to creature comforts.

Understanding that this is not the purpose of life takes some doing, I have to say.

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Reply #78 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 7:31am

Karnal wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Journeying within is essentially a process of discovering who you truly are, which is not who you thought you were.

What is a 'true self' and how would we recognise it from a 'false self'.

As far as I can tell the 'searching for true self' is what it always was and ever will be - the eternal introspective 'wild goose chase'.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10277 Gender:	Re: What will be our fate [after we pass over]??? Reply #79 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 1:30pm Hehe. Claiming there is a true self alludes to fixed substances within the soul. Spiritual types often disdain the belief that we are fixed in anyway; so yeah, it's a wild goose chase for them. If you're a believer in evolutionary theory on the other hand ...
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Reply #80 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Journeying within is essentially a process of discovering who you truly are, which is not who you thought you were.

What is a 'true self' and how would we recognise it from a 'false self'.

As far as I can tell the 'searching for true self' is what it always was and ever will be - the eternal introspective 'wild goose chase'.

You're right. It sounds like a wank trying to find yourself.

Spiritual growth, I think, is more a process of discovering that there's no self at all.

I wouldn't know how to pick a true self, but I can spot a false one a mile away.

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Reply #81 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 8:12am

Karnal wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

I wouldn't know how to pick a true self, but I can spot a false one a mile away.

I guess that would stand to reason... As there can only be one true self, all the thousands of possible others must be false. You could therefore take it as most probable that the 'self' you spot is false!

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What will be our fate [after we pass over]??? Reply #82 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am Is there really a true self? When a person is stressed there is a different self exhibited to a relaxed self. When one tries to change certain behaviors for the better, a false self must be employed.
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Reply #83 - Feb 16^th, 2013 at 3:52pm

Amadd wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

When one tries to change certain behaviors for the better, a false self must be employed.

Which begs the question, can a 'false self' morph itself into a 'true self'?

Is the true inherent in the false?

But, of course, what we usually mean by 'true self', I think, is really 'happier self', 'most well adjusted' or 'most content' self. Otherwise we'd have to accept that our 'true' self could possibly be an unhappier or a less well adjusted self than we currently are.

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Reply #84 - Feb 16^th, 2013 at 10:28pm

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Which begs the question, can a 'false self' morph itself into a 'true self'?

Depending on the changes required and how ingrained they are, yes I think that some minor changes are very possible to become part of the true self, however, I think that personalities are largely developed from a young age and genetics also plays a very large part.
The act of changing one's behavior may also be part of the true self in some circumstances.

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But, of course, what we usually mean by 'true self', I think, is really 'happier self', 'most well adjusted' or 'most content' self. Otherwise we'd have to accept that our 'true' self could possibly be an unhappier or a less well adjusted self than we currently are.

I suppose some people mould themselves to be contented enough to drive through bumper to bumper traffic every day so that they can stare at a computer screen and get told what to do, but for most, their true selves would probably be more at ease in a different environment doing different things.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: What will be our fate [after we pass over]??? Reply #85 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 2:59am yeah...you could be a pussycat... bugger working.... be pampered and fed with no effort at all... just your ideal I'd think..pussy cat.
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Reply #86 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 11:21am

Emma wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 2:59am:

yeah...you could be a pussycat...

bugger working....

be pampered and fed with no effort at all...

just your ideal I'd think..pussy cat. Kiss

Yes, I've always admired cats. The way that they suck in their owners with the promise of catching a mouse some day.
Us humans need to work for our position.

Once you've got position, you'd better hold onto it with a vice-like grip, 'cause there are many many assholes around who want to take it off you.

And we all share the same fate in the end.

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