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Re: I Can Change Your Mind About Climate Change
Reply #30 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:14pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

MOTR wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 6:30am:

The smoking gun exists, it is why 97% of climate scientists accept AGW.

Then explain it to the deniers, i accept AGW but i do understand that in science it is weight of evidence that establishes the probability that human activity is creating an artificial acceleration in the climatic change toward a dryer hotter environment.

Probably more interesting was Catalysts that was on before and the problems WA is having with die back in it's very limited forests. With such a clear and present danger how do denialists sleep at night?

They sleep with their paper money under their bed and in their pillow and mattress. Sort of warm fuzzy feeling Wink

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Reply #31 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

I have had to be in meetings we have had with unions relating to our manufacturing sites.

Utter w*nkers and I know this from first hand dealings thanks.

All they did was make issues harder to resolve.

Not all unions are the same.

I don't do work for the militant ones.

I take your point though.

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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: I Can Change Your Mind About Climate Reply #32 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:23pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:11pm: I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that we are responsible for it. Could your mind ever be changed if new evidence was presented?
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: I Can Change Your Mind About Climate Reply #33 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:26pm Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:23pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:11pm: I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that we are responsible for it. Could your mind ever be changed if new evidence was presented? Yes of course but the weight of the evidence suggests otherwise.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: I Can Change Your Mind About Climate Reply #34 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:27pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:11pm: I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that we are responsible for it. Another open mind. You'd never tell Australians were stuck on an island the other side of the world to the rest of us would you?
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Reply #35 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:30pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that we are responsible for it.

Another open mind.
You'd never tell Australians were stuck on an island the other side of the world to the rest of us would you?
Grin

Unlike the typical skeptic which believes the following !

"AGW is false because vested interests stand to lose a lot of money from not being able to sell their polluting crap !!"

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Reply #36 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:50pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Unlike the typical skeptic which believes the following !

"AGW is false because vested interests stand to lose a lot of money from not being able to sell their polluting crap !!"

Incorrect.

AGW sceptics claim that scientific data, to date, does not support the hypothesis that humans cause global warming and that the planet will be "wrecked".

AGW sceptics remain open minded though, and if new evidence is presented we'll always take the time to analyse it.

Thus, the debate continues (which I know, infuriates the AGW disciples).

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Reply #37 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:00pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Unlike the typical skeptic which believes the following !

"AGW is false because vested interests stand to lose a lot of money from not being able to sell their polluting crap !!"

Incorrect.

AGW sceptics claim that scientific data, to date, does not support the hypothesis that humans cause global warming and that the planet will be "wrecked".

AGW sceptics remain open minded though, and if new evidence is presented we'll always take the time to analyse it.

Thus, the debate continues (which I know, infuriates the AGW disciples).

So you think clive palmer is open minded do you Cheesy

LOL

Skeptics denial and interest in this one aspect of science and no other is usually based on monetary considerations.

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Reply #38 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

So you think clive palmer is open minded do you Cheesy

LOL

Skeptics denial and interest in this one aspect of science and no other is usually based on monetary considerations.

OK, we're both making generalisations.

No, Clive isn't open minded.

I am though, and my current opinions about AGW are based purely on science. Monetary considerations are not an issue for me.

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Reply #39 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that we are responsible for it.

Could your mind ever be changed if new evidence was presented?

Yes of course but the weight of the evidence suggests otherwise.

Oh yeah? Well, what would falsify your AGW theory?

If you are really thinking scientifically, as you claim, you would be able to identify the falsifiability of your theory.
In other words, what observation or experiment would conclusively contradict your theory (Considering that there is no causal correlation between atmospheric CO2 changes and global climate changes, the former being the cause and the latter the effect, in the ranges of additional atmospheric CO2 we can pin on humanity.)

But you can't because you do not understand the science and are just seduced by the politics and the propaganda.

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Reply #40 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:27pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

So you think clive palmer is open minded do you Cheesy

LOL

Skeptics denial and interest in this one aspect of science and no other is usually based on monetary considerations.

OK, we're both making generalisations.

No, Clive isn't open minded.

I am though, and my current opinions about AGW are based purely on science. Monetary considerations are not an issue for me.

Then why aren't you submitting your research and evidence for peer review ? What's stopping you ?

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Reply #41 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:32pm

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that we are responsible for it.

Could your mind ever be changed if new evidence was presented?

Yes of course but the weight of the evidence suggests otherwise.

Oh yeah? Well, what would falsify your AGW theory?

If you are really thinking scientifically, as you claim, you would be able to identify the falsifiability of your theory.
In other words, what observation or experiment would conclusively contradict your theory (Considering that there is no causal correlation between atmospheric CO2 changes and global climate changes, the former being the cause and the latter the effect, in the ranges of additional atmospheric CO2 we can pin on humanity.)

But you can't because you do not understand the science and are just seduced by the politics and the propaganda.

It's all about risk management. If we assume the science is 90% correct and reinvest in cleaner renewable energy sources such as solar thermal instead of setting fire to a finite source of polluting coal then what have we lost ?

I couldn't give a flying bugger about clive palmer or some greedy shareholder with BHP or RIO Tinto shares could you ?

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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: I Can Change Your Mind About Climate Reply #42 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 2:13pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: I couldn't give a flying bugger about clive palmer or some greedy shareholder with BHP or RIO Tinto shares could you ? Nope. At least we agree on something.
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Re: I Can Change Your Mind About Climate
Reply #43 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 2:27pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

I couldn't give a flying bugger about clive palmer or some greedy shareholder with BHP or RIO Tinto shares could you ?

Nope. At least we agree on something.

Agree on the BHP ones.
However given I have RIO ones, I do kinda care.....

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Reply #44 - Apr 27^th, 2012 at 3:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

I couldn't give a flying bugger about clive palmer or some greedy shareholder with BHP or RIO Tinto shares could you ?

Nope. At least we agree on something.

Agree on the BHP ones.
However given I have RIO ones, I do kinda care.....

Fair enough.

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