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Johnsmith
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20 th, 2012 at 7:19am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20 th, 2012 at 7:09am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20 th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19 th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19 th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19 th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18 th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18 th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18 th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18 th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! Absolute rubbish ... about the only thing that comes to mind right now that he didn't object to was an increase in entitlements to MP's .... I'm sure there are one or two others , but if there are, it was most likely because the opinion polls told him to vote that way ... He needs off shore processing to persue Nauru ... the fact that he votes against it himself shows him up as an obstructionist ... he doesn't have to agree with Malaysia, he has to agree with off shore rocessing .... he can argue geopgraphy for the next five years after that .... its as close as he'll ever get to implementing any policy anyway He hasn't voted against offshore processing - he's only voted against sending illegal immigrants to a hellhole called Malaysia. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie, do you, Dumb One? You really are an idiot sometimes aren't you? The legislation put before parliament was to allow off shore processing ... it didn't mention Malaysia or Nauru .. now repeat after me ... derrrrrrr http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/seeking-asylum-is-no-crime/story-e6fr...
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