This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own!

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/04/18/Older_worker_bonus_copycat_policy-Abbott_740711.html

Oh, and by the way, there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/navy-intercepts-another-asylum-boat/story-e6freuzr-1226331554494

Abbott has to embrace the NBN without losing face!

THIS IS WHY HE IS RELUCTANT TO SHOW WHERE HIS FRONT FOOT IS GOING TOO EARLY!!

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Because they are NOTORIOUS at FAILING the "costings" test

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own!

So you've got the memory of a goldfish then?
Also it would seem casting the same mental deficiency on a large number of the populace.
It's a weak argument to say the least, but why am I not surprised you fall for this crap.

Tony should release his policies 6 months out from the election, that way he will have lived up to his promise of releasing them with plenty of time to study & understand their impacts.
Who knows if he did & they actually made sense & added up he might garner some of those "None of the above" votes.

But he won't, he'll get non thinking drones to sprout the theft argument(because we wouldn't remember Tony releasing the same policy as Labor are announcing 2 weeks later), then chuck them on the press 3 days before we vote.

Your non critical barracking for a party possibly about to govern our country just shows me how Germany went so wrong in the 30's.

How about when Kevin O’Lemon went into “me too” mode, that was funny. :D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own! So you've got the memory of a goldfish then? Also it would seem casting the same mental deficiency on a large number of the populace. It's a weak argument to say the least, but why am I not surprised you fall for this crap. Tony should release his policies 6 months out from the election, that way he will have lived up to his promise of releasing them with plenty of time to study & understand their impacts. Who knows if he did & they actually made sense & added up he might garner some of those "None of the above" votes. But he won't, he'll get non thinking drones to sprout the theft argument(because we wouldn't remember Tony releasing the same policy as Labor are announcing 2 weeks later), then chuck them on the press 3 days before we vote. Your non critical barracking for a party possibly about to govern our country just shows me how Germany went so wrong in the 30's.

Oh yeah, he should release his policy 6 months prior to an election so the ALP can re-brand them all as ALP policies. Idiot...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own! http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/04/18/Older_worker_bonus_copycat_policy-Abbott_740711.html Oh, and by the way, there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/navy-intercepts-another-asylum-boat/story-e6freuzr-1226331554494

Lol. They do it it each other. Theres no difference between them. I dont see how you can call either of them names and not the other.

SOB

Labor are notorious for this and that is why I am happy to wait and liberals are right to have me waiting.

Remember the 2007 Election? Rudd & Swan refused to give any details of their policies...until the policies of Howard were released. Then they took up these policies and "tweaked" them to make them their own. This is happening again here.

A-P...you are soooo right. Swan is hopeless at coming up with anything that works...so he has (once again) pinched the Opposition's policy from the last election...except they made it $10,000 (well up on what the Libs proposed)...and for 3 months only. As far as I can see, this is open to huge rorts....especially with that dopey goose, Swan, in control...there would have been no checking on how it would all pan out.

Keep your policies close to your chest, Libs...this Labor rabble has no idea and will pinch everything you propose.

No surprise. It's in Labor's DNA, alongside corruption, deception and incompetence. The Coalition should not, and will not, release policies until very shortly before the next election. How can one blame then when this seems to always happen? As olive said, just look at the 2007 election.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?

Yes, and it's just another lie/broken promise. We were promised strong border control, HA!

Everything was fine when the Nauru solution was there, but no, Rudd and Gillard were stubborn to admit that a Coalition policy was actually good and effective.

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?

Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!

Is Abbott a two year old? He's claiming labor stole his policies? Surely if its a good policy then its a good policy and everyone should jump on board and help it pass parliament .. or is this going to be another good policy when he says it, then he'll vote against it because the sky will fall down if we do that?  Shouldn't we all contribute to the good ideass pool?

And for all the morons on here jumping on his bandwagon, may I suggest you grow a brain .. they all use each others ideas .. they tinker around with them, change figures to make them unique, but the libs steal as many policies as the ALP does ... I'm more concerned with all the good ideas that don't get stolen because of poor polling results .. surely thats a bigger concern?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!

So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else

matty wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, and it's just another lie/broken promise. We were promised strong border control, HA! Everything was fine when the Nauru solution was there, but no, Rudd and Gillard were stubborn to admit that a Coalition policy was actually good and effective.

We have strong border control ... boats are stopped, asylum seekers are escorted in ... not ALP's fault if you substitue strong control with a 3 word slogan

Abbotts policies are based on the popular opinion of the day and nothing else.
He doesnt want to tell anyone the truth about the effects of adopting pre Great Depression style policies or how he is just a paid mouth piece for a handful of multi billionaire miners and pokie barons that consider themselves to be demi gods.

Coalition Policy:-

A/   To undo everything good Labor has done (and yes, there ARE a few things).

B/   To return us to the Coalition 'trifecta' of the late 70s-early 80s. Double-digit
inflation, double-digit interest rates, double-digit unemployment.

C/   To reintroduce and increase wealthfare to the middle/upper-class.

D/   Tax cuts for those who SHOULD be paying MORE tax.

E/   Slash welfare payments to the genuine needy.

F/   Work-camps for the unemployed...? Wouldn't be surprised.

G/   No infrastructure spending whatsoever.

H/   Slash spending on health and education.

A vote for the Coalition is a vote against Australia's future.

olive wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

1. Remember the 2007 Election? Rudd & Swan refused to give any details of their policies...until the policies of Howard were released. 2. Swan is hopeless at coming up with anything that works....

1. The Industrial Relations Policy was the FIRST of many to be released in detail - a good YEAR before the election




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buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

I'll ask AGAIN ... buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 6:04pm: Is your assessment based on ( ... one of) the lowest rate of unemployment in the developed world ? Or Australia being the ONLY O.E.C.D partner NEVER to have gone in to recession - from the onset of the GFC ? Or, perhaps, the highly praised - and highly successful - stimulus packages, designed by the "World's Best Treasurer" ? ( ... and a stimulus debt, among the world's lowest) You'd care to name a STRONGER economy ? ... any takers ?

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

matty wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:49pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, and it's just another lie/broken promise. We were promised strong border control, HA! Everything was fine when the Nauru solution was there, but no, Rudd and Gillard were stubborn to admit that a Coalition policy was actually good and effective. We have strong border control ... boats are stopped, asylum seekers are escorted in ... not ALP's fault if you substitue strong control with a 3 word slogan

Are you referring, for example, to all of those middle class men from Iran that arrived here last week?

adelcrow wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Abbotts policies are based on the popular opinion of the day and nothing else. He doesnt want to tell anyone the truth about the effects of adopting pre Great Depression style policies or how he is just a paid mouth piece for a handful of multi billionaire miners and pokie barons that consider themselves to be demi gods.

More socialistic propaganda...

Kat wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

Coalition Policy:- A/   To undo everything good Labor has done (and yes, there ARE a few things). B/   To return us to the Coalition 'trifecta' of the late 70s-early 80s. Double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, double-digit unemployment. C/   To reintroduce and increase wealthfare to the middle/upper-class. D/   Tax cuts for those who SHOULD be paying MORE tax. E/   Slash welfare payments to the genuine needy. F/   Work-camps for the unemployed...? Wouldn't be surprised. G/   No infrastructure spending whatsoever. H/   Slash spending on health and education. A vote for the Coalition is a vote against Australia's future.

More socialistic propaganda...

matty wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Abbotts policies are based on the popular opinion of the day and nothing else. He doesnt want to tell anyone the truth about the effects of adopting pre Great Depression style policies or how he is just a paid mouth piece for a handful of multi billionaire miners and pokie barons that consider themselves to be demi gods. More socialistic propaganda...

Facts are facts..dont shoot the messenger

Matty - so everything that doesn't say what your saying is socialist propoganda ? hahaha I see 3 word slogans are your thing too ... no wonder you like abbott... try to come up with a real argument instead of calling everything socialist propoganda .... or don't argue

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own! http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/04/18/Older_worker_bonus_copycat_policy-Abbott_740711.html Oh, and by the way, there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/navy-intercepts-another-asylum-boat/story-e6freuzr-1226331554494

You are so funny, you can not release what you don't have.

On that point i remember something about politicians superannuation and Latham v Howard, but that is different is it not.

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Matty - so everything that doesn't say what your saying is socialist propoganda ? hahaha I see 3 word slogans are your thing too ... no wonder you like abbott... try to come up with a real argument instead of calling everything socialist propoganda .... or don't argue

great one, you are dealing with generation Y, they have the concentration span of an ant. You can not give them a sentence longer than 3 or 4 words and expect them to remember it.

How is the Labor govt responsible for the refugees created by Howards invasion of a third world crap hole?
Only an ignorant fool would blame anyone but the idiots who started these unnecessary unwinnable wars that created this flood of asylum seekers.

adelcrow crow...you look like  Abraham Lincoln...Why don't you to go to a theatre and sit in a box...

red baron wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

adelcrow crow...you look like  Abraham Lincoln...Why don't you to go to a theatre and sit in a box...

There you go again..you have me in stitches with your witty observations  ;D

The multi-party Senate Committee on suicide reported to the Government after nine months of deliberation making many recommendations about mental health and suicide prevention that the Gillard Government has since implemented.....Abbott preempted the report and released his policy intention knowing Labor where going to introduce a mental health policy of their own to try and score cheap political points by claiming it was his idea.....Labor where always going to introduce a mental health policy which is why they commissioned the report.....Abbott is a populist flake and you cretins fall for his bullshit every time...It was Abbott that stole the idea from Labor the problem was by releasing his crap policy first Labor where able to trump him with recommendations from the report!!!

::) ::) ::)

Lifeline Australia director and former NSW Liberal leader John Brogden said Labor's policy was better than the Coalition's recently announced mental health pledge because it delivered help to his frontline service and would save many lives.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-announces-labors-mental-health-policy-with-plan-to-tackle-suicide/story-fn59niix-1225897375540

http://www.smc.org.au/2010/07/rapid-roundup-labors-mental-health-and-suicide-strategy-experts-respond/

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

The multi-party Senate Committee on suicide reported to the Government after nine months of deliberation making many recommendations about mental health and suicide prevention that the Gillard Government has since implemented.....Abbott preempted the report and released his policy intention knowing Labor where going to introduce a mental health policy of their own to try and score cheap political points by claiming it was his idea.....Labor where always going to introduce a mental health policy which is why they commissioned the report.....Abbott is a populist flake and you cretins fall for his bullshit every time...It was Abbott that stole the idea from Labor the problem was by releasing his crap policy first Labor where able to trump him with recommendations from the report!!! ::) ::) ::) Lifeline Australia director and former NSW Liberal leader John Brogden said Labor's policy was better than the Coalition's recently announced mental health pledge because it delivered help to his frontline service and would save many lives. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-announces-labors-mental-health-policy-with-plan-to-tackle-suicide/story-fn59niix-1225897375540 http://www.smc.org.au/2010/07/rapid-roundup-labors-mental-health-and-suicide-strategy-experts-respond/

Don't give them facts ..... you'll only confuse them ...

Yes I seen Tnoy crying about a similar policy which the lieberals probably would not have used anyway.

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Is Abbott a two year old? He's claiming labor stole his policies? Surely if its a good policy then its a good policy and everyone should jump on board and help it pass parliament .. or is this going to be another good policy when he says it, then he'll vote against it because the sky will fall down if we do that?  Shouldn't we all contribute to the good ideass pool? And for all the morons on here jumping on his bandwagon, may I suggest you grow a brain .. they all use each others ideas .. they tinker around with them, change figures to make them unique, but the libs steal as many policies as the ALP does ... I'm more concerned with all the good ideas that don't get stolen because of poor polling results .. surely thats a bigger concern?

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Calling debaters "morons" just because they don't go along with your idea of what a party should do does you no credit.

What do you mean "if we do that?" Are you a Minister within the Labor Party....haha.

What is unfortunate is that when Labor steals the policies, they always tweak them so that it always seems to disadvantage Australians....they seem to always think that throwing money at something will fix it or make it better...i.e., $10,000 as opposed to $3,000+ for employers..3 months as opposed to 6  that the libs proposed.....  I wonder if they are too afraid to produce their own policies because they so often fail? It must be a huge embarrassment to them....pink batts????...who will ever forget that disaster, even resulting in 4 deaths... among so many others poorly thought out before implementation ...that's what happens when this Labor bunch DON'T pinch policies from the other side.

Sad really, that they are so inept ...nothing like the worker's party that once existed. People will not forget Labor's mistakes in a hurry....too many people have been hurt.
Hope they pinch the Libs policy to get rid of the Carbon Tax....now THAT would show some brains!!!!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own! So you've got the memory of a goldfish then? Also it would seem casting the same mental deficiency on a large number of the populace. It's a weak argument to say the least, but why am I not surprised you fall for this crap. Tony should release his policies 6 months out from the election, that way he will have lived up to his promise of releasing them with plenty of time to study & understand their impacts. Who knows if he did & they actually made sense & added up he might garner some of those "None of the above" votes. But he won't, he'll get non thinking drones to sprout the theft argument(because we wouldn't remember Tony releasing the same policy as Labor are announcing 2 weeks later), then chuck them on the press 3 days before we vote. Your non critical barracking for a party possibly about to govern our country just shows me how Germany went so wrong in the 30's.

Very well said. Surely your credibility must be severely compromised when you run around yelling, "treat me like a mushroom."

olive wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:51pm: Is Abbott a two year old? He's claiming labor stole his policies? Surely if its a good policy then its a good policy and everyone should jump on board and help it pass parliament .. or is this going to be another good policy when he says it, then he'll vote against it because the sky will fall down if we do that?  Shouldn't we all contribute to the good ideass pool? And for all the morons on here jumping on his bandwagon, may I suggest you grow a brain .. they all use each others ideas .. they tinker around with them, change figures to make them unique, but the libs steal as many policies as the ALP does ... I'm more concerned with all the good ideas that don't get stolen because of poor polling results .. surely thats a bigger concern? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling debaters "morons" just because they don't go along with your idea of what a party should do does you no credit. What do you mean "if we do that?" Are you a Minister within the Labor Party....haha. What is unfortunate is that when Labor steals the policies, they always tweak them so that it always seems to disadvantage Australians....they seem to always think that throwing money at something will fix it or make it better...i.e., $10,000 as opposed to $3,000+ for employers..3 months as opposed to 6  that the libs proposed.....  I wonder if they are too afraid to produce their own policies because they so often fail? It must be a huge embarrassment to them....pink batts????...who will ever forget that disaster, even resulting in 4 deaths... among so many others poorly thought out before implementation ...that's what happens when this Labor bunch DON'T pinch policies from the other side. Sad really, that they are so inept ...nothing like the worker's party that once existed. People will not forget Labor's mistakes in a hurry....too many people have been hurt. Hope they pinch the Libs policy to get rid of the Carbon Tax....now THAT would show some brains!!!!

Moron is anyone opposed to a good idea (i have to assume it's a good policy if both parties are arguing over who thought of it)... a good idea is a good idea, regardless of who thought of it,  it doesn't matter who thought of it.. and if its good for the country, then only a moron would complain that it's 'stolen'. .. who cares where it comes from, as long as its implemented ... both parties steal ideas, don't be more of a hypocrite than you already are

As for your second point 'if we do that 'was purely based on Abbott's past performances . He always cites the end of the world if the AlP is allowed to implement it's policy, even if he originally thought of the policy ( OK, I'm a tad melodramatic, but the point is the same)

No I'm not a minister in the party (wrong again ) not even a member, although i say there is a good chance that your a member of your local branch ......

You mention PINK BATTS ... the scheme did what it was supposed to do ... it was a roaring success ... the fact that people died because of unscrupulous employers is not the federal governments fault ... in fact its the state governments that are responsible for issuing licenses to do that work , and they need to make sure the people they give the license to are appropriately trained ... Do you blame Howard's transport ministers for all the deaths on the roads during his term in office, or the minster for social services every time some kid dies from Abuse or neglect? if not then don't be a hypocrite ...

The only thing that is inept is the coalition as it stands ... nothing positive to say in the last four or five years , despite the fact that the rest of the world  is heaping praise on the Australian economy, how sad... if the economy goes under you can rest assured that Abbott has played as much a role in undermining consumer confidence as anyone else .. what a sad bunch of wankers they are

The Coalition is reluctant to reveal its policies because it has none. Full stop.

GoddyofOz wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

The Coalition is reluctant to reveal its policies because it has none. Full stop.

I don't think that is true, they wait for an opinion poll to tell them what is popular and then release the result as a policy.

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else

No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

I think that Chris Bowen is confused with what his job is. He seems to think he is back in Opposition again because he blames Abbott for his own incompetence and expects Abbott to fix these problems that are entirely of Labor's making.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 6:52am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...

Perhaps there has been too much empasis on policy and planning... ::)

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...

Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing.

Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 11:17pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.

Total and complete piffle. Abbott was offered the opportunity to vote for off shore processing and turned his back on about the only policy he had to score cheap political points. He is shallow and meaningless like his performance this morning on 'today'. He squirmed and wriggled around over the hockey questions saying that the liberals have always asked the people to pay there share then attached labor over the plan to means test aged care. Hypocrite and liar. He has no policy other than to overplay every subject.

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 11:17pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.

Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he!

Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist.

If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her.

Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal!

But the truth is there for all to see. We have community processing now and this subject has fallen from the radar. No one cares but the loops on the right. Boat numbers reduced this year and the world has not stopped turning. The whole terror terror terror from the liberals smells just like nationalist rubbish.

nairbe wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 6:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! But the truth is there for all to see. We have community processing now and this subject has fallen from the radar. No one cares but the loops on the right. Boat numbers reduced this year and the world has not stopped turning. The whole terror terror terror from the liberals smells just like nationalist rubbish.

People still care - that is why Labor is running scared about the next election...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal!

Absolute rubbish ... about the only thing that comes to mind right now that he didn't object to was an increase in entitlements to MP's .... I'm sure there are one or two others , but if there are, it was most likely because the opinion polls told him to vote that way ... He needs off shore processing to persue Nauru ... the fact that he votes against it himself shows him up as an obstructionist ... he doesn't have to agree with Malaysia, he has to agree with off shore rocessing .... he can argue geopgraphy for the next five years after that .... its as close as he'll ever get to implementing any policy anyway

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! Absolute rubbish ... about the only thing that comes to mind right now that he didn't object to was an increase in entitlements to MP's .... I'm sure there are one or two others , but if there are, it was most likely because the opinion polls told him to vote that way ... He needs off shore processing to persue Nauru ... the fact that he votes against it himself shows him up as an obstructionist ... he doesn't have to agree with Malaysia, he has to agree with off shore rocessing .... he can argue geopgraphy for the next five years after that .... its as close as he'll ever get to implementing any policy anyway

He hasn't voted against offshore processing - he's only voted against sending illegal immigrants to a hellhole called Malaysia. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie, do you, Dumb One?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

nairbe wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:57am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! But the truth is there for all to see. We have community processing now and this subject has fallen from the radar. No one cares but the loops on the right. Boat numbers reduced this year and the world has not stopped turning. The whole terror terror terror from the liberals smells just like nationalist rubbish. People still care - that is why Labor is running scared about the next election...

As i said a few fruit cakes on the right who think it will get them some votes if they can scare the crap out of everyone that the terrorists are coming. that ploy has lost it's drive, the population now know they were had the whole time and the increase in boats because we don't have mandatory detention never happened. :D :D :D ;D ;D

nairbe wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:01am: nairbe wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:57am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! But the truth is there for all to see. We have community processing now and this subject has fallen from the radar. No one cares but the loops on the right. Boat numbers reduced this year and the world has not stopped turning. The whole terror terror terror from the liberals smells just like nationalist rubbish. People still care - that is why Labor is running scared about the next election... As i said a few fruit cakes on the right who think it will get them some votes if they can scare the crap out of everyone that the terrorists are coming. that ploy has lost it's drive, the population now know they were had the whole time and the increase in boats because we don't have mandatory detention never happened. :D :D :D ;D ;D

That you still think Labor can win the next federal election shows you must be one of the 28% of twits who clearly have no freaking idea!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:25am:

nairbe wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:22am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:01am: nairbe wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:57am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! But the truth is there for all to see. We have community processing now and this subject has fallen from the radar. No one cares but the loops on the right. Boat numbers reduced this year and the world has not stopped turning. The whole terror terror terror from the liberals smells just like nationalist rubbish. People still care - that is why Labor is running scared about the next election... As i said a few fruit cakes on the right who think it will get them some votes if they can scare the crap out of everyone that the terrorists are coming. that ploy has lost it's drive, the population now know they were had the whole time and the increase in boats because we don't have mandatory detention never happened. :D :D :D ;D ;D That you still think Labor can win the next federal election shows you must be one of the 28% of twits who clearly have no freaking idea!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Where did i say that, or is this your way of conceding that you don't actually have a clue about the subject and was just parroting what Abbott said.

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?

"Intercepting" you reckon?

You used the wrong words. . . you meant "welcoming" them and assuring them that there'll be a prayer room built where the Islam finger points---------

Kat wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

Coalition Policy:- A/   To undo everything good Labor has done (and yes, there ARE a few things). B/   To return us to the Coalition 'trifecta' of the late 70s-early 80s. Double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, double-digit unemployment. C/   To reintroduce and increase wealthfare to the middle/upper-class. D/   Tax cuts for those who SHOULD be paying MORE tax. E/   Slash welfare payments to the genuine needy. F/   Work-camps for the unemployed...? Wouldn't be surprised. G/   No infrastructure spending whatsoever. H/   Slash spending on health and education. A vote for the Coalition is a vote against Australia's future.

I gather that you are already packing to leave this country because the terrible Coalition is going to win the next election and winning, will sweep  incompetent vermin out of parliament house.

Did John Howard waste THE BOOM?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:19am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:09am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am: Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am: Johnsmith wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm: there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra. So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence? Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court! So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance? Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy? Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist... Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing. Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this. Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he! Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist. If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her. Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal! Absolute rubbish ... about the only thing that comes to mind right now that he didn't object to was an increase in entitlements to MP's .... I'm sure there are one or two others , but if there are, it was most likely because the opinion polls told him to vote that way ... He needs off shore processing to persue Nauru ... the fact that he votes against it himself shows him up as an obstructionist ... he doesn't have to agree with Malaysia, he has to agree with off shore rocessing .... he can argue geopgraphy for the next five years after that .... its as close as he'll ever get to implementing any policy anyway He hasn't voted against offshore processing - he's only voted against sending illegal immigrants to a hellhole called Malaysia. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie, do you, Dumb One?

You really are an idiot sometimes aren't you?

The legislation put before parliament was to allow off shore processing ... it didn't mention Malaysia or Nauru .. now repeat after me ... derrrrrrr

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