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Reply #30 - Apr 18th, 2012 at 7:18pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 6:59pm:
The multi-party Senate Committee on suicide reported to the Government after nine months of deliberation making many recommendations about mental health and suicide prevention that the Gillard Government has since implemented.....Abbott preempted the report and released his policy intention knowing Labor where going to introduce a mental health policy of their own to try and score cheap political points by claiming it was his idea.....Labor where always going to introduce a mental health policy which is why they commissioned the report.....Abbott is a populist flake and you cretins fall for his bullshit every time...It was Abbott that stole the idea from Labor the problem was by releasing his crap policy first Labor where able to trump him with recommendations from the report!!!

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Lifeline Australia director and former NSW Liberal leader John Brogden said Labor's policy was better than the Coalition's recently announced mental health pledge because it delivered help to his frontline service and would save many lives.

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Reply #31 - Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:19pm
 
Yes I seen Tnoy crying about a similar policy which the lieberals probably would not have used anyway.
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great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Is Abbott a two year old? He's claiming labor stole his policies? Surely if its a good policy then its a good policy and everyone should jump on board and help it pass parliament .. or is this going to be another good policy when he says it, then he'll vote against it because the sky will fall down if we do that?  Shouldn't we all contribute to the good ideass pool?

And for all the nice people on here jumping on his bandwagon, may I suggest you grow a brain .. they all use each others ideas .. they tinker around with them, change figures to make them unique, but the libs steal as many policies as the ALP does ... I'm more concerned with all the good ideas that don't get stolen because of poor polling results .. surely thats a bigger concern?

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Calling debaters "nice people" just because they don't go along with your idea of what a party should do does you no credit.

What do you mean "if we do that?" Are you a Minister within the Labor Party....haha.

What is unfortunate is that when Labor steals the policies, they always tweak them so that it always seems to disadvantage Australians....they seem to always think that throwing money at something will fix it or make it better...i.e., $10,000 as opposed to $3,000+ for employers..3 months as opposed to 6  that the libs proposed.....  I wonder if they are too afraid to produce their own policies because they so often fail? It must be a huge embarrassment to them....pink batts????...who will ever forget that disaster, even resulting in 4 deaths... among so many others poorly thought out before implementation ...that's what happens when this Labor bunch DON'T pinch policies from the other side.

Sad really, that they are so inept ...nothing like the worker's party that once existed. People will not forget Labor's mistakes in a hurry....too many people have been hurt.
Hope they pinch the Libs policy to get rid of the Carbon Tax....now THAT would show some brains!!!!


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Reply #33 - Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:17pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:29pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
This is a classic example of why the Coalition is reluctant to release policies, especially when they are well before an election - the ALP shamelessly steals them and claims them as their own!



So you've got the memory of a goldfish then?
Also it would seem casting the same mental deficiency on a large number of the populace.
It's a weak argument to say the least, but why am I not surprised you fall for this crap.

Tony should release his policies 6 months out from the election, that way he will have lived up to his promise of releasing them with plenty of time to study & understand their impacts.
Who knows if he did & they actually made sense & added up he might garner some of those "None of the above" votes.

But he won't, he'll get non thinking drones to sprout the theft argument(because we wouldn't remember Tony releasing the same policy as Labor are announcing 2 weeks later), then chuck them on the press 3 days before we vote.

Your non critical barracking for a party possibly about to govern our country just shows me how Germany went so wrong in the 30's.



Very well said. Surely your credibility must be severely compromised when you run around yelling, "treat me like a mushroom."
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Reply #34 - Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:28pm
 
olive wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:03pm:
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Is Abbott a two year old? He's claiming labor stole his policies? Surely if its a good policy then its a good policy and everyone should jump on board and help it pass parliament .. or is this going to be another good policy when he says it, then he'll vote against it because the sky will fall down if we do that?  Shouldn't we all contribute to the good ideass pool?

And for all the nice people on here jumping on his bandwagon, may I suggest you grow a brain .. they all use each others ideas .. they tinker around with them, change figures to make them unique, but the libs steal as many policies as the ALP does ... I'm more concerned with all the good ideas that don't get stolen because of poor polling results .. surely thats a bigger concern?

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Calling debaters "nice people" just because they don't go along with your idea of what a party should do does you no credit.

What do you mean "if we do that?" Are you a Minister within the Labor Party....haha.

What is unfortunate is that when Labor steals the policies, they always tweak them so that it always seems to disadvantage Australians....they seem to always think that throwing money at something will fix it or make it better...i.e., $10,000 as opposed to $3,000+ for employers..3 months as opposed to 6  that the libs proposed.....  I wonder if they are too afraid to produce their own policies because they so often fail? It must be a huge embarrassment to them....pink batts????...who will ever forget that disaster, even resulting in 4 deaths... among so many others poorly thought out before implementation ...that's what happens when this Labor bunch DON'T pinch policies from the other side.

Sad really, that they are so inept ...nothing like the worker's party that once existed. People will not forget Labor's mistakes in a hurry....too many people have been hurt.
Hope they pinch the Libs policy to get rid of the Carbon Tax....now THAT would show some brains!!!!




nice person is anyone opposed to a good idea (i have to assume it's a good policy if both parties are arguing over who thought of it)... a good idea is a good idea, regardless of who thought of it,  it doesn't matter who thought of it.. and if its good for the country, then only a nice person would complain that it's 'stolen'. .. who cares where it comes from, as long as its implemented ... both parties steal ideas, don't be more of a hypocrite than you already are

As for your second point 'if we do that 'was purely based on Abbott's past performances . He always cites the end of the world if the AlP is allowed to implement it's policy, even if he originally thought of the policy ( OK, I'm a tad melodramatic, but the point is the same)

No I'm not a minister in the party (wrong again ) not even a member, although i say there is a good chance that your a member of your local branch ......

You mention PINK BATTS ... the scheme did what it was supposed to do ... it was a roaring success ... the fact that people died because of unscrupulous employers is not the federal governments fault ... in fact its the state governments that are responsible for issuing licenses to do that work , and they need to make sure the people they give the license to are appropriately trained ... Do you blame Howard's transport ministers for all the deaths on the roads during his term in office, or the minster for social services every time some kid dies from Abuse or neglect? if not then don't be a hypocrite ...

The only thing that is inept is the coalition as it stands ... nothing positive to say in the last four or five years , despite the fact that the rest of the world  is heaping praise on the Australian economy, how sad... if the economy goes under you can rest assured that Abbott has played as much a role in undermining consumer confidence as anyone else .. what a sad bunch of wankers they are
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Reply #35 - Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:34pm
 

The Coalition is reluctant to reveal its policies because it has none. Full stop.
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Reply #36 - Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:11am
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:34pm:
The Coalition is reluctant to reveal its policies because it has none. Full stop.


I don't think that is true, they wait for an opinion poll to tell them what is popular and then release the result as a policy.
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Reply #37 - Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am
 
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?


Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!



So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else


No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
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Reply #38 - Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:54am
 
I think that Chris Bowen is confused with what his job is. He seems to think he is back in Opposition again because he blames Abbott for his own incompetence and expects Abbott to fix these problems that are entirely of Labor's making.
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Reply #39 - Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am:
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?


Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!



So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else


No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...
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Perhaps there has been too much empasis on policy and planning... Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm
 
great one wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am:
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?


Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!



So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else


No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...


Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing.

Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.
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Reply #42 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:34am
 
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm:
great one wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am:
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?


Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!



So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else


No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...


Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing.

Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.


Total and complete piffle. Abbott was offered the opportunity to vote for off shore processing and turned his back on about the only policy he had to score cheap political points. He is shallow and meaningless like his performance this morning on 'today'. He squirmed and wriggled around over the hockey questions saying that the liberals have always asked the people to pay there share then attached labor over the plan to means test aged care. Hypocrite and liar. He has no policy other than to overplay every subject.
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Reply #43 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am
 
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm:
great one wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am:
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?


Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!



So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else


No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...


Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing.

Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.


Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he!

Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist.

If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her.

Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal!
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Reply #44 - Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:57am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:49am:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:17pm:
great one wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:52am:
great one wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
there has been ANOTHER boatload of illegal immigrants intercepted by our Navy due to the incompetence of the ALP government in Canberra.

So intercepting boatloads of asylum seekers is an example of incompetence?


Yes, actually, because there would not be any boats being intercepted if Gillard was competent in this area of policy. The ALP was given the perfect policy for dealing with illegal immigrants and... they destroyed it. For Chris Bowen to continue to blame Abbott clearly demonstrates that he has no interest in doing anything to fix this problem - a problem entirely of Labor's making. It is not up to Abbott to come to the table on this issue - Labor is in power and Labor must present the parliament with a competent, realistic policy - not a re-hash of the illegal Malaysia policy that was struck down by the High Court!



So you saying Abbott shouldn't stop the boats because its a sign of incompetance?

Of course Abbott is to blame ... if your in a room with a collegue and you watch him beat up some person, and you don't do whatever you can to help, your as guilty of assault as he is .... Abbott is in the room just standing back watching .. at least be honest with yourself if not everyone else


No, I am saying Abbott cannot stop the boats because he is not the Prime Minister. It is not in his job description to come up with policy for the Labor government. It is his job to scrutinise Labor policy and hold Gillard accountable and to support GOOD policy. Besides, what makes you think Gillard would accept a new Coalition policy from Abbott on this issue when she can't even bring herself to resurrect the Pacific Solution policy?

Lastly, your comparison of the current border protection policy with watching someone get beat up clearly demonstrates you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


No one is asking him for a policy on  asylum seekers ... everyone knows what his policy is, and it the same as the ALP.. . the only difference is geography .. his job is to scrutinise policy yes, but he goes WAY WAY beyond that ... he is an obstructionist who blocks anything and everything because he can ... when he opposes an amendment to the law to allow of shore processing, a law he will in all likelihood need to pass himself if he ever wants to implement his  own policy , he does so purely because he can ...he doesn't need to agree with Gillard, he just has to allow the government of the day to govern ... Failure to do so will mean he gets some blame, and rightly so ... it's a cop out to say it's not his job .. his job, first and foremost is to serve the Australian public to the best of his ability.. he certainly doesn't do that by being an obstructionist...


Abbott has served the Australian people by not supporting a known illegal policy. Since the Malaysia solution got shot down, there has been zero action from the ALP in dealing with the situation as it is, they havent assessed other options and have done absolutely nothing.

Gillard should asseas the Nauru option. If for whatever reason this could be considered illegal too as she claims, then work to another solution. Doing absolutely nothing shows to me a Prime Minister who wont accept responsibility in dealing with the issue. The buck stops with her on this.


Exactly - Gillard and Bowen are behaving like a pair of petulant 2 year-old children. If they can't have their Malaysia policy, they're going to cry like babies (i.e. blame Abbott constantly) until they get what they want. Unfortunately for them, Abbott has patience and is not going to cave in to such childish behaviour and nor should he!

Also, for anyone to say that Abbott has been obstructionist is simply not true. He has supported good policy from this incompetent Government on the rare occasion that they actually manage to get something right. Saying no to bad/illegal policy does not make him obstructionist.

If he had supported the Malaysia deal and we started getting reports of widespread abuse (eg caning with a rataan) of illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia, the media would've cut strips off Gillard for sending them to Malaysia and Abbott for supporting her.

Labor can solve this problem (that they created) yesterday if they re-introduce TPV's, offshore processing and re-establish a detention centre on Nauru, which is legal!


But the truth is there for all to see. We have community processing now and this subject has fallen from the radar. No one cares but the loops on the right. Boat numbers reduced this year and the world has not stopped turning. The whole terror terror terror from the liberals smells just like nationalist rubbish.
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