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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #120 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:54am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.


Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not! 
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #121 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 9:00am
 
Whether you like the fact or not, this is my take -

The global economy is made up on three interlinked regions and trading blocs.
NAFTA, The EU and China. I could say "Asia" but I really think now China is big enough to override anything in Asia, including Japan.

Australia is in none of them - not ASEAN, not EU, not NAFTA.
Therefore Australia will not dictate terms on global credit and trading - Australia will basically be affected by them.

Thus, Australia's economic well-being will principally be decided in Beijing and not Canberra.

You could model the pottery wheel all you like - and overall Australia has not done a bad job - but without the Chinese foot on the pedal - it would all come crashing down pretty quickly.

There is no need for austerity measures in Australia I agree.
However there is in Europe and that is the correct policy.

In Britain we suffered badly under a decade of Labour rule (debt grew out of control - as it tends to under that party) and last time it took Mrs Thatcher to sort it out.
This time the job falls on the shoulders of Dangerous Dave and I think he's actually doing a reasonable job.
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #122 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 10:27am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 9:00am:
Whether you like the fact or not, this is my take -

The global economy is made up on three interlinked regions and trading blocs.
NAFTA, The EU and China. I could say "Asia" but I really think now China is big enough to override anything in Asia, including Japan.

Australia is in none of them - not ASEAN, not EU, not NAFTA.
Therefore Australia will not dictate terms on global credit and trading - Australia will basically be affected by them.

Thus, Australia's economic well-being will principally be decided in Beijing and not Canberra.

You could model the pottery wheel all you like - and overall Australia has not done a bad job - but without the Chinese foot on the pedal - it would all come crashing down pretty quickly.

There is no need for austerity measures in Australia I agree.



However there is in Europe and that is the correct policy.

In Britain we suffered badly under a decade of Labour rule (debt grew out of control - as it tends to under that party) and last time it took Mrs Thatcher to sort it out.
This time the job falls on the shoulders of Dangerous Dave and I think he's actually doing a reasonable job.



I could go into a whole bundle of different issues that will dictate what will affect OZ, but I agree our Economic wellbeing is now largely out of our hands, from a positive outlook, but we & our Politicians, can still mess it up, from a negative aspect!


However, Europe & the US are pretty much beyond redemption, although the "general AUS-terity" programs in Europe & to come in the US are absolutely incorrect, at absolutely the wrong time.

This is not another Reagan/Thacther era, the inputs & outcomes are like chalk & cheese!

Both Europe & the US will fold, taking OZ & the ROW with them!
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Reply #123 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 5:09pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:54am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.


Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not! 


one of your more confusing posts nedwin/pinhead. you cant have it both ways yet you demand your right to do so. You cant reduce debt without reducing spending yet you oppose reducing spending and reducing debt.

The european problem is simply that now there is no hoice. after decades of debt-driven incompetent socialism, their debt is so high that austerity is their ONLY option.

but you certainly are a weird one. you complain about debt but complain about any efforts to reduce it. You and pauline hanson probably think the solution is to just print more money.

you really are silly at times.
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #124 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 5:11pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 10:27am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 9:00am:
Whether you like the fact or not, this is my take -

The global economy is made up on three interlinked regions and trading blocs.
NAFTA, The EU and China. I could say "Asia" but I really think now China is big enough to override anything in Asia, including Japan.

Australia is in none of them - not ASEAN, not EU, not NAFTA.
Therefore Australia will not dictate terms on global credit and trading - Australia will basically be affected by them.

Thus, Australia's economic well-being will principally be decided in Beijing and not Canberra.

You could model the pottery wheel all you like - and overall Australia has not done a bad job - but without the Chinese foot on the pedal - it would all come crashing down pretty quickly.

There is no need for austerity measures in Australia I agree.



However there is in Europe and that is the correct policy.

In Britain we suffered badly under a decade of Labour rule (debt grew out of control - as it tends to under that party) and last time it took Mrs Thatcher to sort it out.
This time the job falls on the shoulders of Dangerous Dave and I think he's actually doing a reasonable job.



I could go into a whole bundle of different issues that will dictate what will affect OZ, but I agree our Economic wellbeing is now largely out of our hands, from a positive outlook, but we & our Politicians, can still mess it up, from a negative aspect!


However, Europe & the US are pretty much beyond redemption, although the "general AUS-terity" programs in Europe & to come in the US are absolutely incorrect, at absolutely the wrong time.

This is not another Reagan/Thacther era, the inputs & outcomes are like chalk & cheese!

Both Europe & the US will fold, taking OZ & the ROW with them!


you really are an idiot. I suppose you think the Greece austerity program is a bad idea. you really, truly have no idea whatsoever.
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #125 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 4:56pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:54am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.


Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not! 


one of your more confusing posts nedwin/pinhead. you cant have it both ways yet you demand your right to do so. You cant reduce debt without reducing spending yet you oppose reducing spending and reducing debt.

The european problem is simply that now there is no hoice. after decades of debt-driven incompetent socialism, their debt is so high that austerity is their ONLY option.

but you certainly are a weird one. you complain about debt but complain about any efforts to reduce it. You and pauline hanson probably think the solution is to just print more money.

you really are silly at times.


What I don't know LongWeakend, is what is worse -
1) Your lack of ability to string a sentence together, without getting your 3 thumbs in the road & making your usual spelling mistakes.
2) Your inability to make a point, without running others down.
3) Your lack of comprehension, on & of the written language.
4) Your inability to get out of the past & be able to comprehend what is happening now & what is influencing events now & in the future.

There, now are you happy, that I've done a YOU?

Now that you're happy, surely even you can understand this -

Australia doesn't need a general AUS-terity program, its Debt is NOT out of control, it is quite reasonable, but we will still need some very well targeted Tax increases & Expenditure reductions, as a result of Global Problems , which started in the USA & Europe and are now moving on to China & elsewhere & the Macro factors which are now in play!

However, Europe, the USA & Japan have already moved past the point of no return and because of issues relating to Demographics, Peak Energy, Peak Debt & Climate Change, they are already on an irreversible Economic slide downhill, which is set to last several decades, at least!

To impose a general AUS-terity program on those Economies, at this point in the game, would be akin to throwing kerosene onto a fire to put in out.

However, that is being done, that will be done & YOU WOULD ALSO DO IT, but it IS STILL AN IDIOTIC MOVE & IT WILL EXACERBATE (make worse) THE DECLINE THAT THESE COUNTRIES WILL EXPERIENCE!!! A dose of general AUS-terity, as distinct from a very specific bunch of measures in Australia, would also act to make our situation worse than it may otherwise be, as it would act to exacerbate a Declining Demand for Goods & service, which is coming anyway, due to the above Macro factors & the worsening Global situation. 


Btw, I'm still not Nedwin and that will not change, no matter how many times you say it!
Oh & if Nedwin is watching, I wish him well!
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #126 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 6:34pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:54am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.


Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not! 


one of your more confusing posts nedwin/pinhead. you cant have it both ways yet you demand your right to do so. You cant reduce debt without reducing spending yet you oppose reducing spending and reducing debt.

The european problem is simply that now there is no hoice. after decades of debt-driven incompetent socialism, their debt is so high that austerity is their ONLY option.

but you certainly are a weird one. you complain about debt but complain about any efforts to reduce it. You and pauline hanson probably think the solution is to just print more money.

you really are silly at times.


What I don't know LongWeakend, is what is worse -
1) Your lack of ability to string a sentence together, without getting your 3 thumbs in the road & making your usual spelling mistakes.
2) Your inability to make a point, without running others down.
3) Your lack of comprehension, on & of the written language.
4) Your inability to get out of the past & be able to comprehend what is happening now & what is influencing events now & in the future.

There, now are you happy, that I've done a YOU?

Now that you're happy, surely even you can understand this -

Australia doesn't need a general AUS-terity program, its Debt is NOT out of control, it is quite reasonable, but we will still need some very well targeted Tax increases & Expenditure reductions, as a result of Global Problems , which started in the USA & Europe and are now moving on to China & elsewhere & the Macro factors which are now in play!

However, Europe, the USA & Japan have already moved past the point of no return and because of issues relating to Demographics, Peak Energy, Peak Debt & Climate Change, they are already on an irreversible Economic slide downhill, which is set to last several decades, at least!

To impose a general AUS-terity program on those Economies, at this point in the game, would be akin to throwing kerosene onto a fire to put in out.

However, that is being done, that will be done & YOU WOULD ALSO DO IT, but it IS STILL AN IDIOTIC MOVE & IT WILL EXACERBATE (make worse) THE DECLINE THAT THESE COUNTRIES WILL EXPERIENCE!!! A dose of general AUS-terity, as distinct from a very specific bunch of measures in Australia, would also act to make our situation worse than it may otherwise be, as it would act to exacerbate a Declining Demand for Goods & service, which is coming anyway, due to the above Macro factors & the worsening Global situation. 


Btw, I'm still not Nedwin and that will not change, no matter how many times you say it!
Oh & if Nedwin is watching, I wish him well!


oh solution-less one.... what would YOU do for Europe since you are so clever? Several countries have reached the poinbt where they are unable to pay their debt which is why smarter people than you (most of us) agree that a sensible idea is to SPEND LESS. if you cant pay your bills in real life what do you do? SPEND LESS.

Yes, austerity is going to hammer their economies. but the options are limited to just two: Austerity or soveriegn default and the mass destruction that would bring.

But apparently you think there is a third option. care to share it coz there at 500million europeans waiting to hear from you.

you may not be nedwin (although I think you are) but you are most certainlt, a pinhead.
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #127 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 7:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 6:34pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:54am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.


Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not! 


one of your more confusing posts nedwin/pinhead. you cant have it both ways yet you demand your right to do so. You cant reduce debt without reducing spending yet you oppose reducing spending and reducing debt.

The european problem is simply that now there is no hoice. after decades of debt-driven incompetent socialism, their debt is so high that austerity is their ONLY option.

but you certainly are a weird one. you complain about debt but complain about any efforts to reduce it. You and pauline hanson probably think the solution is to just print more money.

you really are silly at times.


What I don't know LongWeakend, is what is worse -
1) Your lack of ability to string a sentence together, without getting your 3 thumbs in the road & making your usual spelling mistakes.
2) Your inability to make a point, without running others down.
3) Your lack of comprehension, on & of the written language.
4) Your inability to get out of the past & be able to comprehend what is happening now & what is influencing events now & in the future.

There, now are you happy, that I've done a YOU?

Now that you're happy, surely even you can understand this -

Australia doesn't need a general AUS-terity program, its Debt is NOT out of control, it is quite reasonable, but we will still need some very well targeted Tax increases & Expenditure reductions, as a result of Global Problems , which started in the USA & Europe and are now moving on to China & elsewhere & the Macro factors which are now in play!

However, Europe, the USA & Japan have already moved past the point of no return and because of issues relating to Demographics, Peak Energy, Peak Debt & Climate Change, they are already on an irreversible Economic slide downhill, which is set to last several decades, at least!

To impose a general AUS-terity program on those Economies, at this point in the game, would be akin to throwing kerosene onto a fire to put in out.

However, that is being done, that will be done & YOU WOULD ALSO DO IT, but it IS STILL AN IDIOTIC MOVE & IT WILL EXACERBATE (make worse) THE DECLINE THAT THESE COUNTRIES WILL EXPERIENCE!!! A dose of general AUS-terity, as distinct from a very specific bunch of measures in Australia, would also act to make our situation worse than it may otherwise be, as it would act to exacerbate a Declining Demand for Goods & service, which is coming anyway, due to the above Macro factors & the worsening Global situation. 


Btw, I'm still not Nedwin and that will not change, no matter how many times you say it!
Oh & if Nedwin is watching, I wish him well!


oh solution-less one.... what would YOU do for Europe since you are so clever? Several countries have reached the poinbt where they are unable to pay their debt which is why smarter people than you (most of us) agree that a sensible idea is to SPEND LESS. if you cant pay your bills in real life what do you do? SPEND LESS.

Yes, austerity is going to hammer their economies. but the options are limited to just two: Austerity or soveriegn default and the mass destruction that would bring.

But apparently you think there is a third option. care to share it coz there at 500million europeans waiting to hear from you.

you may not be nedwin (although I think you are) but you are most certainlt, a pinhead.


Do you really think there is a solution, where the problems will be solved?

Are you that naive? Btw, that's a rhetorical question!

With Greece Bond holders already taking a 70% hair cut, Greece have already defaulted, but it has not been declared a default because that would involve major US & European Banks taking a massive hits via CDS & derivatives markets and send Global financial markets 
into an immediate frenzy.

However, whether it is Greece, Italy or some other country that day can not be permanently relegated, it can only be delayed a little more and time is what is being sort, in the belief that "something" will solve this "Gordian Knot" AND GIVEN THE GLOBAL MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY, THAT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! 

So, in short, there is only one option, but no one wants it happening "on their watch", so they are busily trying to kick the can, further down the road.

Problem is, that can not continue and when TSHTF, this time really will be different!



Btw, your assertions about me & Nedwin are like your thoughts on Economics, they are simply WRONG!
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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #128 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:32pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 6:34pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:54am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.


Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not! 


one of your more confusing posts nedwin/pinhead. you cant have it both ways yet you demand your right to do so. You cant reduce debt without reducing spending yet you oppose reducing spending and reducing debt.

The european problem is simply that now there is no hoice. after decades of debt-driven incompetent socialism, their debt is so high that austerity is their ONLY option.

but you certainly are a weird one. you complain about debt but complain about any efforts to reduce it. You and pauline hanson probably think the solution is to just print more money.

you really are silly at times.


What I don't know LongWeakend, is what is worse -
1) Your lack of ability to string a sentence together, without getting your 3 thumbs in the road & making your usual spelling mistakes.
2) Your inability to make a point, without running others down.
3) Your lack of comprehension, on & of the written language.
4) Your inability to get out of the past & be able to comprehend what is happening now & what is influencing events now & in the future.

There, now are you happy, that I've done a YOU?

Now that you're happy, surely even you can understand this -

Australia doesn't need a general AUS-terity program, its Debt is NOT out of control, it is quite reasonable, but we will still need some very well targeted Tax increases & Expenditure reductions, as a result of Global Problems , which started in the USA & Europe and are now moving on to China & elsewhere & the Macro factors which are now in play!

However, Europe, the USA & Japan have already moved past the point of no return and because of issues relating to Demographics, Peak Energy, Peak Debt & Climate Change, they are already on an irreversible Economic slide downhill, which is set to last several decades, at least!

To impose a general AUS-terity program on those Economies, at this point in the game, would be akin to throwing kerosene onto a fire to put in out.

However, that is being done, that will be done & YOU WOULD ALSO DO IT, but it IS STILL AN IDIOTIC MOVE & IT WILL EXACERBATE (make worse) THE DECLINE THAT THESE COUNTRIES WILL EXPERIENCE!!! A dose of general AUS-terity, as distinct from a very specific bunch of measures in Australia, would also act to make our situation worse than it may otherwise be, as it would act to exacerbate a Declining Demand for Goods & service, which is coming anyway, due to the above Macro factors & the worsening Global situation. 


Btw, I'm still not Nedwin and that will not change, no matter how many times you say it!
Oh & if Nedwin is watching, I wish him well!


oh solution-less one.... what would YOU do for Europe since you are so clever? Several countries have reached the poinbt where they are unable to pay their debt which is why smarter people than you (most of us) agree that a sensible idea is to SPEND LESS. if you cant pay your bills in real life what do you do? SPEND LESS.

Yes, austerity is going to hammer their economies. but the options are limited to just two: Austerity or soveriegn default and the mass destruction that would bring.

But apparently you think there is a third option. care to share it coz there at 500million europeans waiting to hear from you.

you may not be nedwin (although I think you are) but you are most certainlt, a pinhead.


Do you really think there is a solution, where the problems will be solved?

Are you that naive? Btw, that's a rhetorical question!

With Greece Bond holders already taking a 70% hair cut, Greece have already defaulted, but it has not been declared a default because that would involve major US & European Banks taking a massive hits via CDS & derivatives markets and send Global financial markets 
into an immediate frenzy.

However, whether it is Greece, Italy or some other country that day can not be permanently relegated, it can only be delayed a little more and time is what is being sort, in the belief that "something" will solve this "Gordian Knot" AND GIVEN THE GLOBAL MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY, THAT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! 

So, in short, there is only one option, but no one wants it happening "on their watch", so they are busily trying to kick the can, further down the road.

Problem is, that can not continue and when TSHTF, this time really will be different!



Btw, your assertions about me & Nedwin are like your thoughts on Economics, they are simply WRONG!


but you are STILL saying they must reduce debt AND increase spending. despite all your waffle, you ahve still not answered how that is possible.

and btw. you should look up on the meaning of 'default'. Greeces HASNT defaulted.
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Its alright - after the next election the gloves are off with the Government Greed - its war - no safety, security, stability and regulation - no work. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #130 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:58pm
 
Debt does not exist - it is a lie and it has nothing to do with the fact that we will not work under subhuman conditions for the Government under any circumstances or accept the burden of their stupidity and economic mismanagement.  Bad unstable, insecure Government must not be submitted to. Cool
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Reply #131 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:04pm
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 6:59am:
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 10:35pm:
Tony Abbott needs to be piled on a plane with all of the other corrupt criminals and run out of Australia and banned from coming back. Cool


In past centuries, politicians in the ALP and the Greens would have been beheaded for treason - also their soothsayers, Flannery and Garnaut.


Yes and you would have been burned as a Witch...What is your point???
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Reply #132 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:09pm
 
What ever happens after the next election we will not work for Tony Abbott Julia Gillard, Bob Brown or any of the other nutjobs under any circumstances till they resign from the Parliament. Angry Tongue Lips Sealed
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Reply #133 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 8:41pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
Its alright - after the next election the gloves are off with the Government Greed - its war - no safety, security, stability and regulation - no work. Grin Grin Grin


what are you going to do? use your massive girth to blockade parliament? that wont work, theyve got cranes that can lift ships. they can still move you.
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Reply #134 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:25pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 8:41pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:
Its alright - after the next election the gloves are off with the Government Greed - its war - no safety, security, stability and regulation - no work. Grin Grin Grin


what are you going to do? use your massive girth to blockade parliament? that wont work, theyve got cranes that can lift ships. they can still move you.

The real  question is are your radical communist political heroes up for a fight after the next election?  Because I am ready to go, I cant wait for another crack at them.... Cool
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