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Reply #105 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Howards was proven to be a liar and found to be so by the people!!!

Howard censured over push for war with Iraq

Prime Minister John Howard was yesterday censured by the Senate for misleading the public in his justification for sending Australia to war with Iraq.

It was only the fourth time in more than three decades a sitting prime minister has been censured and the second in Mr Howard's seven-and-a-half years in office.

The motion attacked Mr Howard for failing to adequately inform Australians that intelligence agency warnings about a war with Iraq would increase the likelihood of a terrorist attack.

It also noted that no evidence had yet been produced by Mr Howard to justify his claims that in March this year, Iraq possessed stockpiles of completed biological chemical weapons that justified going to war.

The Opposition, Greens and Australian Democrats voted together to defeat the Government by 33 votes to 30.

Greens senator Bob Brown said Mr Howard was involved in an unprecedented deceit of the nation and deserved censure.

He said Mr Howard had argued that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and support of international terrorism threatened Australia. "It has become abundantly clear that the Prime Minister was not just a bit wrong. He was totally wrong," he told parliament.

Defence Minister Robert Hill said the Australian and other governments believed Saddam Hussein's weapons programs posed a very real danger.

Opposition Senate leader John Faulkner said Mr Howard had been loose with the truth on issues of national security.

Mr Howard was censured by the Senate in March 2002 over his failure to stop Liberal Senator Bill Heffernan's attack on High Court Justice Michael Kirby.

a senate censure is about a meaningless as you can get. it was political grandstanding and nothing more. and Howard was re-elected - something Gillard wont be doing.

Lets see how long Abbott lasts with a hostile Senate ..after all, he set the new low standards for oppositions to follow remember its the oppositions job to oppose everything according to Tony.

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #106 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Lying about the reasons to invade another country is way less important than a revenue neutral tax Grin

'being wrong' is not a lie. it is only a lie when you KNOW you are wrong - such as gillard promising no carbon tax.

ahhh... the old excuse. King Of The Weasel Words never seemed to get told anything did he? Some minion always forgot to tell him what was going on at a crucial moment. It was never really his fault. He just didn't know! If he'd known then he would have done something about it... truly ruly! Anyone writing a book about Howard's term of office would be bound to call it "Howard's Lost Years" because he was lost in the halls of parliament without a clue what was going on. That's a great leader you guys hold up as a hero of the Liberal cause!

He was a lying turd, lower than a snake's arsehole and twice as dirty.

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Reply #107 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

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no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

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Reply #108 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

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Reply #109 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #110 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

The only people claiming there were WMDs were Blair, Howard and Bushes war machine.
Every other person on the globe saw it for the lie that it was.
I dont know where you were at the time longy but the evidence against WMDs espesially from the UN inspectors in Iraq against was pretty conclusive
Everyone knew it was a lie invented by Bush Blair and Howard except for you

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #111 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #112 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Howards was proven to be a liar and found to be so by the people!!!

Howard censured over push for war with Iraq

Prime Minister John Howard was yesterday censured by the Senate for misleading the public in his justification for sending Australia to war with Iraq.

It was only the fourth time in more than three decades a sitting prime minister has been censured and the second in Mr Howard's seven-and-a-half years in office.

The motion attacked Mr Howard for failing to adequately inform Australians that intelligence agency warnings about a war with Iraq would increase the likelihood of a terrorist attack.

It also noted that no evidence had yet been produced by Mr Howard to justify his claims that in March this year, Iraq possessed stockpiles of completed biological chemical weapons that justified going to war.

The Opposition, Greens and Australian Democrats voted together to defeat the Government by 33 votes to 30.

Greens senator Bob Brown said Mr Howard was involved in an unprecedented deceit of the nation and deserved censure.

He said Mr Howard had argued that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and support of international terrorism threatened Australia. "It has become abundantly clear that the Prime Minister was not just a bit wrong. He was totally wrong," he told parliament.

Defence Minister Robert Hill said the Australian and other governments believed Saddam Hussein's weapons programs posed a very real danger.

Opposition Senate leader John Faulkner said Mr Howard had been loose with the truth on issues of national security.

Mr Howard was censured by the Senate in March 2002 over his failure to stop Liberal Senator Bill Heffernan's attack on High Court Justice Michael Kirby.

The reasons for censure are still relevant today.....No evidence has ever been produced by Howard or anyone else.....Yet he told Parliament he had proof.....he lied!

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #113 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Actually,according to the polls, the most popular Pm in Australia,EVER,was kevvy with an approval rating of 74%. Grin

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #114 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Actually,according to the polls, the most popular Pm in Australia,EVER,was kevvy with an approval rating of 74%. Grin

Well..bugga me sideways...Kevin 07 is our most popular PM ever.
I suppose that means longy will have to vote for him at the next election Cheesy

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Reply #115 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Frankly I think she's deserved a better run than she's had. Ultimately though it's up to her to make the best out of what she's got.

I agree with that, but the sexist assholes that run the right wing media in this country were always going to do a job on her for their "boy",phony tony.

Frankly, I don't think that Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull OR 99.9% of the other Pollies are up to the job!

Which is why it now boils down to picking the best options, out of some lousy choices!

And, we now really have an outstanding bunch to pick from, as far as really poor choices are concerned!

Maybe the best way, as has been put before, is to pick someone not yet in parliament, who has yet been indoctrinated?

But we all know that's not how the "system" works!

you've said that before and the obvious objection to it still applies. Under your system every MP would be an inexperienced newbie. if you think thats a good idea, then next time you want an electrician make sure you get an apprentice on his first week to rewire your house.

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

LW,
Perhaps we should send you along to Gist, for training IN LOGICAL THINKING?

Small time Crims, learn how to be big time Crims, IN JAIL!

Small time Porky Pie tellers, learn how to be EXPERT LIE TELLERS (Politicians), when they enter Parliament!

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Reply #116 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:22am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote- Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. Grin

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Actually,according to the polls, the most popular Pm in Australia,EVER,was kevvy with an approval rating of 74%. Grin

try an actual poll held outside of their term of office, to discover their LONG-TERM popularit - not their on-hit-wonder polls.

But I am sure you ahve no idea what I am talking of. your grade 7 education probably didnt cover concepts like this.

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Reply #117 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:23am

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Frankly I think she's deserved a better run than she's had. Ultimately though it's up to her to make the best out of what she's got.

I agree with that, but the sexist assholes that run the right wing media in this country were always going to do a job on her for their "boy",phony tony.

Frankly, I don't think that Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull OR 99.9% of the other Pollies are up to the job!

Which is why it now boils down to picking the best options, out of some lousy choices!

And, we now really have an outstanding bunch to pick from, as far as really poor choices are concerned!

Maybe the best way, as has been put before, is to pick someone not yet in parliament, who has yet been indoctrinated?

But we all know that's not how the "system" works!

you've said that before and the obvious objection to it still applies. Under your system every MP would be an inexperienced newbie. if you think thats a good idea, then next time you want an electrician make sure you get an apprentice on his first week to rewire your house.

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

LW,
Perhaps we should send you along to Gist, for training IN LOGICAL THINKING?

Small time Crims, learn how to be big time Crims, IN JAIL!

Small time Porky Pie tellers, learn how to be EXPERT LIE TELLERS (Politicians), when they enter Parliament!

your idiotic 'metaphor' is as stupid as the rest of your posts. you complain about austerity AND complain about debt. how do you figure that out?

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Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Reply #118 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:37am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Frankly I think she's deserved a better run than she's had. Ultimately though it's up to her to make the best out of what she's got.

I agree with that, but the sexist assholes that run the right wing media in this country were always going to do a job on her for their "boy",phony tony.

Frankly, I don't think that Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull OR 99.9% of the other Pollies are up to the job!

Which is why it now boils down to picking the best options, out of some lousy choices!

And, we now really have an outstanding bunch to pick from, as far as really poor choices are concerned!

Maybe the best way, as has been put before, is to pick someone not yet in parliament, who has yet been indoctrinated?

But we all know that's not how the "system" works!

you've said that before and the obvious objection to it still applies. Under your system every MP would be an inexperienced newbie. if you think thats a good idea, then next time you want an electrician make sure you get an apprentice on his first week to rewire your house.

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

LW,
Perhaps we should send you along to Gist, for training IN LOGICAL THINKING?

Small time Crims, learn how to be big time Crims, IN JAIL!

Small time Porky Pie tellers, learn how to be EXPERT LIE TELLERS (Politicians), when they enter Parliament!

your idiotic 'metaphor' is as stupid as the rest of your posts. you complain about austerity AND complain about debt. how do you figure that out?

That's why I've consistently called it a dilemma & a Gordian Knot etc!

If you want some training in logical thinking, I'm sure that Gist will help you?

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