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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 112608 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #240 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 7:12am Soren - don't try and be an apologist for racism.
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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #241 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 12:18pm

Soren wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

[quote author=545954544F425E5354574207360 link=1327483631/230#230 date=1332852473]The content of their character is formed to a large extent by the culture they imbibe, both voluntarily and otherwise.

Race does not determine culture but it does have an undeniable correlation when taken together with social class (another word for sub-culture). SO while race (skin colour) is not an inescapable determiner - thanks tio individual freedom - , it is a good predicter - hence the recognisable stereotypes. And what is predicted is sometimes positive, sometimes negative, sometimes completely indeterminate.

Only a fool would ignore the cultural influences on any person and these influences can be desribed along racial and class lines. Neither should be ignored.

So how would you describe that correlation in Jews, who are NOT a race but a religion ie. a culture with several 'classes' such as authodox, conservative and reform, and also the sub-groups of Ashkenazim (Khazaria/german), Sephadim (Iberia/Spain) and Zionism (Secular from both groups ie not even a religion)?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #242 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:33pm Jan -- You deny me my right to live in my own country and is base on my race yes? Tell me how is not anti-semitism
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Reply #243 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Jan -- You deny me my right to live in my own country and is base on my race yes?

Tell me how is not anti-semitism

It's not anti-semitism, that word is a misnomer ... Arabs are also Semites. I support TRUE Torah Jews I also support Palestinian Arabs. If your Ancestors didn't speak a semitic language you are NOT a Semite

Until the Balfour was acted upon the Jews, Arabs and Christians lived together peaceable in Palestine for hundreds of years.

Plus Jews are NOT a race they are a RELIGION ... recent DNA results proved Jews share the same DNA as ARABS ... the Jews who remained in Palestine with other Arabs are the ONLY ones who can call USRAEL their homeland ... The occupiers via the Balfour declaration cannot.

So depending on where your ancient ancestors came from you are not even true Jews.

Are you Sephadic or Ashkenazi?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #244 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:19pm Jan wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm: Plus Jews are NOT a race they are a RELIGION ... You mean in the same kinda way as Aboriginese are not a race but a religion? Or Shintoists are not a race (Japanese) but a religion?
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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #245 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 6:06pm

Jan wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Jan -- You deny me my right to live in my own country and is base on my race yes?

Tell me how is not anti-semitism

It's not anti-semitism, that word is a misnomer ... Arabs are also Semites. I support TRUE Torah Jews I also support Palestinian Arabs. If your Ancestors didn't speak a semitic language you are NOT a Semite

Until the Balfour was acted upon the Jews, Arabs and Christians lived together peaceable in Palestine for hundreds of years.

Plus Jews are NOT a race they are a RELIGION ... recent DNA results proved Jews share the same DNA as ARABS ... the Jews who remained in Palestine with other Arabs are the ONLY ones who can call USRAEL their homeland ... The occupiers via the Balfour declaration cannot.

So depending on where your ancient ancestors came from you are not even true Jews.

Are you Sephadic or Ashkenazi?

Jan -- i am from Tel Aviv.
Israel is my home.

That is 100% always true.

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Reply #246 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

Jan wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Jan -- You deny me my right to live in my own country and is base on my race yes?

Tell me how is not anti-semitism

It's not anti-semitism, that word is a misnomer ... Arabs are also Semites. I support TRUE Torah Jews I also support Palestinian Arabs. If your Ancestors didn't speak a semitic language you are NOT a Semite

Until the Balfour was acted upon the Jews, Arabs and Christians lived together peaceable in Palestine for hundreds of years.

Plus Jews are NOT a race they are a RELIGION ... recent DNA results proved Jews share the same DNA as ARABS ... the Jews who remained in Palestine with other Arabs are the ONLY ones who can call USRAEL their homeland ... The occupiers via the Balfour declaration cannot.

So depending on where your ancient ancestors came from you are not even true Jews.

Are you Sephadic or Ashkenazi?

There are 7.8 million Israelis.

75 % of them is Jewish = 5.8 million people.

What would you do with those 5.8 million Jews if Israel was to be 'given back' tomorrow to - well, to whom? The 1.5 million Arab Israelis? To Jordan? Egypt? Syria?

Who has a greater claim to the territory of Israel than the 75 % of the population who actually live there?

Who exactly would you give Israel back to?

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Reply #247 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:00pm

Jan wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

[quote author=545954544F425E5354574207360 link=1327483631/230#230 date=1332852473]The content of their character is formed to a large extent by the culture they imbibe, both voluntarily and otherwise.

Race does not determine culture but it does have an undeniable correlation when taken together with social class (another word for sub-culture). SO while race (skin colour) is not an inescapable determiner - thanks tio individual freedom - , it is a good predicter - hence the recognisable stereotypes. And what is predicted is sometimes positive, sometimes negative, sometimes completely indeterminate.

Only a fool would ignore the cultural influences on any person and these influences can be desribed along racial and class lines. Neither should be ignored.

So how would you describe that correlation in Jews, who are NOT a race but a religion ie. a culture with several 'classes' such as authodox, conservative and reform, and also the sub-groups of Ashkenazim (Khazaria/german), Sephadim (Iberia/Spain) and Zionism (Secular from both groups ie not even a religion)?

The Jews never had a civil war, despite being the proverbial kvetching contrarians. They outlasted all the ancient peoples you read about in the Bible.
Frederick the Great's confessor, when asked by the Emperor for a proof of God's existence, replied: "The Jews, Sire."

The Jews are the eternal reminders onto the nations.

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Reply #248 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 8:44am

Jan wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Jan -- You deny me my right to live in my own country and is base on my race yes?

Tell me how is not anti-semitism

It's not anti-semitism, that word is a misnomer ... Arabs are also Semites. I support TRUE Torah Jews I also support Palestinian Arabs. If your Ancestors didn't speak a semitic language you are NOT a Semite

Until the Balfour was acted upon the Jews, Arabs and Christians lived together peaceable in Palestine for hundreds of years.

Plus Jews are NOT a race they are a RELIGION ... recent DNA results proved Jews share the same DNA as ARABS ... the Jews who remained in Palestine with other Arabs are the ONLY ones who can call USRAEL their homeland ... The occupiers via the Balfour declaration cannot.

So depending on where your ancient ancestors came from you are not even true Jews.

Are you Sephadic or Ashkenazi?

Jan, what should happen to people born in Israel whose recent ancestors are not local? Should they be expelled, and where should they be forced to go?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #249 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 8:49am i was in Tel Aviv born, my mother is in Jerusalem and my father is in Tel Aviv born. So you tells me where i must go and live if my country is not Israel??
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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #250 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 11:00am

Soren wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

The Jews never had a civil war, despite being the proverbial kvetching contrarians. They outlasted all the ancient peoples you read about in the Bible.

Enough of your self-delusional homage to the Hebrews.

Never heard of the story of the Shibboleth? I'm sure I've heard you use the word before, although it seems you obviously didn't know the story behind it. The fact that the Jews were engaged in a bloody civil war, and by using this word as a determiner of which Jews belonged to a different tribe, they slew about 42,000 in one day.

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Reply #251 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 11:03am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 8:49am:

i was in Tel Aviv born, my mother is in Jerusalem and my father is in Tel Aviv born.

So you tells me where i must go and live if my country is not Israel??

Yeh and all the Palestinians who you've herded into refugee camps, where do you think they, their parents, their grandparents, their great grandparents their.... and so on were born????

Go back to where your grandparents came from, that is your home, leave the Palestinians to their home which has been their home for thousands of years.

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Reply #252 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 8:58pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 11:03am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 8:49am:

i was in Tel Aviv born, my mother is in Jerusalem and my father is in Tel Aviv born.

So you tells me where i must go and live if my country is not Israel??

Yeh and all the Palestinians who you've herded into refugee camps, where do you think they, their parents, their grandparents, their great grandparents their.... and so on were born????

Go back to where your grandparents came from, that is your home, leave the Palestinians to their home which has been their home for thousands of years.

Does that apply to you and so you will also go back to Germany?

Or Muslims are not supposed to retreat?

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Reply #253 - Mar 31^st, 2012 at 9:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 31^st, 2012 at 11:00am:

Soren wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

The Jews never had a civil war, despite being the proverbial kvetching contrarians. They outlasted all the ancient peoples you read about in the Bible.

Enough of your self-delusional homage to the Hebrews.

Gimme a Jew over 100 Muslims any day, pal.

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Reply #254 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 1:45pm

Jans opinion of events on page 13 of this thread.

According to the Bible, the kingdom of Judah resulted from the break-up of the United kingdom of Israel (1020 to about 930 BC), created by Saul, David and Solomon, which was a union of the twelve Israelite tribes. After the northern tribes refused to accept Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, as their king. At first, only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the house of David, but soon after the tribe of Benjamin joined Judah. The two kingdoms, Judah in the south and Israel in the north, co-existed uneasily after the split, until the destruction of Israel by the Assyrians in c.722/721 left Judah as the sole remaining kingdom.

Wikipedia's version is exactly the same suprise suprise?

According to the Bible, the kingdom of Judah resulted from the break-up of the United kingdom of Israel (1020 to about 930 BC), created by Saul, David and Solomon, which was a union of the twelve Israelite tribes. After the northern tribes refused to accept Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, as their king. At first, only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the house of David, but soon after the tribe of Benjamin joined Judah. The two kingdoms, Judah in the south and Israel in the north, co-existed uneasily after the split, until the destruction of Israel by the Assyrians in c.722/721 left Judah as the sole remaining kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

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