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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #225 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 7:02pm soren's excused from being labelled racist, because he's doing it in an "intellectual" manner. He's detailing his gripes with other races in a civilised and cordial manner, so we should excuse him if he comes off as a racist turd.
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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #226 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

soren's excused from being labelled racist, because he's doing it in an "intellectual" manner. He's detailing his gripes with other races in a civilised and cordial manner, so we should excuse him if he comes off as a racist turd.

Well, done.

If I notice something disagreeable - or wrong even - about another cultural practice, I should give them a free pass on account that they re not whit.
If they are white, I should give them a free pass on account of being 'underprivileged'.

SO in the end the only people I can criticised are people like me.

Neat.

The only trouble is that this logic applies to people like me.

No tinted person is expected to notice deficiencies in other tinted people (unless they want to labelled white man's b!tch), no Muslim is ALLOWED to voice deficiencies in other Muslims, no cannibal is encouraged to express distaste for human flesh.

Only I am encouraged to express distaste for upholding my culture - and that because it has done more for all humans than all the others put together. All the tinted and variously superstitious races are resentful for being evidently very light weight when it comes to cultural contribution to human well-being.

Resentment rules, what?

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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #227 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:02pm

Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

Soren wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

The fact of threads like this on the forum is that racism is tolerable. I don't think it is, I don't think racists should be allowed the space to spread their poison. It's uncivilised.

Is noticing and ranking different value systems and norms of behaviour racist?

Is the portrayal of all Jews as long nosed greedy, grasping hunchbacks racist? Is the portrayal of all muslims as murderous wife beaters racist? Is the portrayal of all Africans as sub-normal apes racist?

Is the pope a catholic?

Stereotypes are based on experience.

I am all for giving the individuals all the necessary encouragement to transcend their group - but most don't want to.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112428 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #228 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:14pm Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:51am: The fact of threads like this on the forum is that racism is tolerable. I don't think it is, I don't think racists should be allowed the space to spread their poison. It's uncivilised. You are forgetting that it also gives people like us a chance to criticise racists.
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Reply #229 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

The fact of threads like this on the forum is that racism is tolerable. I don't think it is, I don't think racists should be allowed the space to spread their poison. It's uncivilised.

You are forgetting that it also gives people like us
a chance to criticise racists.

What is the underlying basis of your criticism? It has to be something that is well thought-out and able to withhold criticism well.

Arguing that we should ignore experience that forms stereotypes is not sufficient (argument from ignorance).

I am not suggesting that there are no excellent arguments against racism. What I am saying is that some arguments against reinforce and validate racism more than most explicit arguments in favour of it.

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Reply #230 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:47pm

Soren wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

The fact of threads like this on the forum is that racism is tolerable. I don't think it is, I don't think racists should be allowed the space to spread their poison. It's uncivilised.

You are forgetting that it also gives people like us
a chance to criticise racists.

What is the underlying basis of your criticism? It has to be something that is well thought-out and able to withhold criticism well.

Arguing that we should ignore experience that forms stereotypes is not sufficient (argument from ignorance).

I am not suggesting that there are no excellent arguments against racism. What I am saying is that some arguments against reinforce and validate racism more than most explicit arguments in favour of it.

Racism led to the holocaust.

But simply - people should not be judged by the colour
of their skin but by the content of their character.

Now - where did I hear that? Wink

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Reply #231 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 2:43am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

Jan,
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Racism is what is really abhorrent and unacceptable - fullstop.

Hi Jan,
Good - I'm glad we've reached the right conclusion.

G'day Bobby, I've always been anti racism, that's all of my 70 years, I grew up in a town with a large proportion of Aborigines. In the early years there were forced to live in segregated religious communities which I thought even then was unjust and racist. When they were granted citizenship rights I saw terrible racist attitudes by the white community and I began my research about Australian history and what I found out appalled me.

My 2nd husband and I went to work for the Aboriginal community and made many wonderful friends but in the end we abandoned the work because of the white 'do-gooders' who used the work to benefit themslves and gain better government jobs. I became an out-spoken contributor to the local newspaper and a political activist.

I believe 100% in truth and exposure as the only way to counteract injustice and will speak up for the down-trodden until the day I die.

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Reply #232 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 2:58am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

You know that i too can find many videos that say so bad things about australia or maybe about Palestinians, but i do not do this.

Here is nice video for us too -

Please, by all means post those Aussie crimes against humanity ... 'most' Aussies are aware of their past misdeeds and freely 'admit' to them ... ie we don't wear blinkers and rose coloured glasses.

Your video was a feel good propaganda vid that didn't show any interaction or friendship with Palestinians ... the music was very 'up-lifting for Israelis though not Jewish in any way ... what's wrong with Hava Nagila?

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Jan Senior Member Offline Elite Politics Posts: 411 SA Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #233 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 3:14am Part 1 of 3 videos
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Jan Senior Member Offline Elite Politics Posts: 411 SA Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #234 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 3:33am The philosophy of Zionism and Israel Part 3
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Jan Senior Member Offline Elite Politics Posts: 411 SA Gender:	Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites' Reply #235 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 4:47am A News Story Israel didnt want the world to see...
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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #236 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 10:59am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

The fact of threads like this on the forum is that racism is tolerable. I don't think it is, I don't think racists should be allowed the space to spread their poison. It's uncivilised.

You are forgetting that it also gives people like us
a chance to criticise racists.

What is the underlying basis of your criticism? It has to be something that is well thought-out and able to withhold criticism well.

Arguing that we should ignore experience that forms stereotypes is not sufficient (argument from ignorance).

I am not suggesting that there are no excellent arguments against racism. What I am saying is that some arguments against reinforce and validate racism more than most explicit arguments in favour of it.

Racism led to the holocaust.
But simply - people should not be judged by the colour
of their skin but by the content of their character.

Now - where did I hear that? Wink

Hitler had issues with two things, Jews and Communists, and I think he hated communists slightly more.
He found both though in the father of the Communist Soviet Union, Karl Marx.

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Re: Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
Reply #237 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:37pm

Jan wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 2:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

Jan,
Quote:

Racism is what is really abhorrent and unacceptable - fullstop.

Hi Jan,
Good - I'm glad we've reached the right conclusion.

G'day Bobby, I've always been anti racism, that's all of my 70 years, I grew up in a town with a large proportion of Aborigines. In the early years there were forced to live in segregated religious communities which I thought even then was unjust and racist. When they were granted citizenship rights I saw terrible racist attitudes by the white community and I began my research about Australian history and what I found out appalled me.

My 2nd husband and I went to work for the Aboriginal community and made many wonderful friends but in the end we abandoned the work because of the white 'do-gooders' who used the work to benefit themslves and gain better government jobs. I became an out-spoken contributor to the local newspaper and a political activist.

I believe 100% in truth and exposure as the only way to counteract injustice and will speak up for the down-trodden until the day I die.

Hi Jan,
Nice story & I'm glad you've joined up here on Ozpolitics.
I also try to go into bat for the battlers & I
put forward possible solutions to the world's problems.
It's great to have a voice.

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Reply #238 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:41pm

Chicken,
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Hitler had issues with two things, Jews and Communists, and I think he hated communists slightly more.
He found both though in the father of the Communist Soviet Union, Karl Marx.

You know - I tried to read Mein Kampf once & even though I was
young at the time I could see that not a single statement had
any proof behind it - no quotes of anyone else -
it was just all unsubstantiated statements of hate.
I am surprised that people couldn't see that at the time.

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Reply #239 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 8:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

The fact of threads like this on the forum is that racism is tolerable. I don't think it is, I don't think racists should be allowed the space to spread their poison. It's uncivilised.

You are forgetting that it also gives people like us
a chance to criticise racists.

What is the underlying basis of your criticism? It has to be something that is well thought-out and able to withhold criticism well.

Arguing that we should ignore experience that forms stereotypes is not sufficient (argument from ignorance).

I am not suggesting that there are no excellent arguments against racism. What I am saying is that some arguments against reinforce and validate racism more than most explicit arguments in favour of it.

Racism led to the holocaust.

But simply - people should not be judged by the colour
of their skin but by the content of their character.

Now - where did I hear that? Wink

The content of their character is formed to a large extent by the culture they imbibe, both voluntarily and otherwise.

Race does not determine culture but it does have an undeniable correlation when taken together with social class (another word for sub-culture). SO while race (skin colour) is not an inescapable determiner - thanks tio individual freedom - , it is a good predicter - hence the recognisable stereotypes. And what is predicted is sometimes positive, sometimes negative, sometimes completely indeterminate.

Only a fool would ignore the cultural influences on any person and these influences can be desribed along racial and class lines. Neither should be ignored.

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