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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 117636 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Pyramids Reply #60 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31pm Chimp, Quote: What do you mean by that wise crack batman? Very funny pic. Well you do call yourself Chimp.
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Reply #61 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 7:17am

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 3:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 2:54pm:

muso wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 2:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:

muso wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/minesandquarries1.htm

A lot of manual labour.

Dear Muso,
the video above claims that no one knows how they did it.

You have got to be kidding! They worked granite using wooden mallets and hardened bronze chisels - the same way as other Bronze Age civilisations did, including the Greeks and the Hittites. The hardest mineral in Granite was quartz. They used a mineral harder than quartz on the Mohrs scale to abrade it.

What a load of rot these New Age idiots speak.

They have found the actual tools that were used in a number of quarries. In Pre-Roman Bronze Age Italy, they even had quarry workers marks on the stone.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/hand_and_machine_tools/1922-540.aspx

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/277x265/10273496.jpg

I hope you're just lampooning. You should have enough common sense to know that.

Hi Muso,
have another look at the video:

Do you really think anyone could make that with a little bronze stick?

no bronze stick can move 100+ ton

unless we are talking anti gravity tech

however,

some beings do.. through ignorance

many beings upon your world are very good repeaters

and find that a great quality.. further

they define repeating with intelligence

this is not so for it would depend upon that

which one may repeat..mainly rubbish and a

misrepresentation from reality..many see this now

yes all is indeed well,

and darkness is quick to be exposed

through many blessings

namaste

- : )

Hi master Light,
notice Muso has failed to reply?

There seems to be a great resistance amongst many to accept the
technology of the past as being valid & worth studying.

namaste

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Pyramids Reply #62 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 9:19am That's because I was away fishing in the great outdoors. What exactly is the technological challenge? There is essentially no difference between quarrying techniques used by the Egyptians and those used from the 18th century and before, because steam engines only really started in the 19th century.
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Reply #63 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 10:45am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 2:54pm:

muso wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 2:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:

muso wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/minesandquarries1.htm

A lot of manual labour.

Dear Muso,
the video above claims that no one knows how they did it.

You have got to be kidding! They worked granite using wooden mallets and hardened bronze chisels - the same way as other Bronze Age civilisations did, including the Greeks and the Hittites. The hardest mineral in Granite was quartz. They used a mineral harder than quartz on the Mohrs scale to abrade it.

What a load of rot these New Age idiots speak.

They have found the actual tools that were used in a number of quarries. In Pre-Roman Bronze Age Italy, they even had quarry workers marks on the stone.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/hand_and_machine_tools/1922-540.aspx

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/277x265/10273496.jpg

I hope you're just lampooning. You should have enough common sense to know that.

Hi Muso,
have another look at the video:

Do you really think anyone could make that with a little bronze stick?

Yes, and they could (and I believe HAVE) do it today with those same methods.
The reason we don't is time, not inability

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 117636 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Pyramids Reply #64 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:17am Dear Gizmo, I challenge you to make even an object the size of a house brick from granite with a bronze stick accurate to 1/2000th of an inch yet alone a 100 ton slab.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Pyramids Reply #65 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:20am Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:17am: Dear Gizmo, I challenge you to make even an object the size of a house brick from granite with a bronze stick accurate to 1/2000th of an inch yet alone a 100 ton slab. lol no problem bobby. As long as you don't worry about wages, OH&S and time, it can be done
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Re: Pyramids
Reply #66 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:21am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:17am:

Dear Gizmo,
I challenge you to make even an object the size of a house brick
from granite with a bronze stick accurate to 1/2000th of an inch
yet alone a 100 ton slab.

lol no problem bobby.

As long as you don't worry about wages, OH&S and time, it can be done

That's great Gizmo,
I can't wait to see your results.

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Reply #67 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:37am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:21am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:17am:

Dear Gizmo,
I challenge you to make even an object the size of a house brick
from granite with a bronze stick accurate to 1/2000th of an inch
yet alone a 100 ton slab.

lol no problem bobby.

As long as you don't worry about wages, OH&S and time, it can be done

That's great Gizmo,
I can't wait to see your results.

Well, don't hold your breath though.

It might take 30 years, 100+ tries and the lives of hundreds of workers to get it right.

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Reply #68 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:50am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:21am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:17am:

Dear Gizmo,
I challenge you to make even an object the size of a house brick
from granite with a bronze stick accurate to 1/2000th of an inch
yet alone a 100 ton slab.

lol no problem bobby.

As long as you don't worry about wages, OH&S and time, it can be done

That's great Gizmo,
I can't wait to see your results.

Well, don't hold your breath though.

It might take 30 years, 100+ tries and the lives of hundreds of workers to get it right.

Come on Gizmo - no excuses - it's only the size of a brick.

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Reply #69 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:50am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:21am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:17am:

Dear Gizmo,
I challenge you to make even an object the size of a house brick
from granite with a bronze stick accurate to 1/2000th of an inch
yet alone a 100 ton slab.

lol no problem bobby.

As long as you don't worry about wages, OH&S and time, it can be done

That's great Gizmo,
I can't wait to see your results.

Well, don't hold your breath though.

It might take 30 years, 100+ tries and the lives of hundreds of workers to get it right.

Come on Gizmo - no excuses - it's only the size of a brick.

Not an excuse....just reality. With enough warm bodies (which the Egyptians and the Aztec/Inca/Mayan people had) it's not that hard. It's only a problem if you have to pay your workers (which they didn't), have a time limit (which they also didn't) or need to worry about deaths (which they also didn't). That's the beauty of using slave labour. No costs/wages, no OH&S inspectors checking on conditions or fatalities and no deadlines, so you can keep rejecting substandard work.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Pyramids Reply #70 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:23pm That's what the people who claim that 'it can't be done' seem to miss. If you can kill 100 or 1000 or 10,000 people in order to get a 'perfect' piece of stone work, it's not hard to create a 'perfect' fitting structure.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Pyramids Reply #71 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm Personally I'd use tread saws and lathes with lots of water and emery abrasive. They have been around since Ancient Greek times. You can get pretty good precision with those. The Egyptians used emery from various sources.
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Re: Pyramids
Reply #72 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:59pm

muso wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

Personally I'd use tread saws and lathes with lots of water and emery abrasive. They have been around since Ancient Greek times. You can get pretty good precision with those.

The Egyptians used emery from various sources.

Yes a modern marble tombstone would represent current practice.
They are very flat & smooth.

Still I marvel that the ancients could do such a good job
given the enormous size & weight of the stones without
modern power cranes or cutting tools & machines.

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Reply #73 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:59pm:

muso wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

Personally I'd use tread saws and lathes with lots of water and emery abrasive. They have been around since Ancient Greek times. You can get pretty good precision with those.

The Egyptians used emery from various sources.

Yes a modern marble tombstone would represent current practice.
They are very flat & smooth.

Still I marvel that the ancients could do such a good job
given the enormous size & weight of the stones without
modern power cranes or cutting tools & machines.

Yeah but that's the point we are trying to make...you CAN replace 'modern power cranes, cutting tools and machines' with lots and lots of people (slaves)...

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Reply #74 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:59pm:

muso wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

Personally I'd use tread saws and lathes with lots of water and emery abrasive. They have been around since Ancient Greek times. You can get pretty good precision with those.

The Egyptians used emery from various sources.

Yes a modern marble tombstone would represent current practice.
They are very flat & smooth.

Still I marvel that the ancients could do such a good job
given the enormous size & weight of the stones without
modern power cranes or cutting tools & machines.

Modern power cranes or cutting tools & machines just allow the job to be done quicker. They were using manual masonry techniques right up to the mid 20th century even in Europe.

These pulley systems have a mechanical advantage of 2,3,4 and 5 respectively.

You can go much higher of course.

I could lift (and have lifted) extremely heavy rocks using just rope.
It's a standard rescue technique. When you don't use pulleys, you introduce a lot of drag of course, but it can be done with just rope, or rope and animal fat.

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