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Reply #90 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:45am

Prevailing wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

There is more and better savings that can be made by taxing the High End - especially on breaks they get for golden handshake payouts ect - there is billions to be saved that could get the budget back into the black and be used to help pensioners and the unemployed. They have no entitlement to tax breaks on this income which should be taxed like any other.

You obviously no nothing about how ETP's are treated or taxed do you?

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Reply #91 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:49am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:43am:

The baby bonus is a key component in helping families to transition for a comfortable double income life as a couple into the single income family unit.

We needed (and used correctly) the $5,000 payment we received.

When you consider that we paid over $10,000 per month in tax as a couple it is not as if we didn't pay for it many times over is it?

Would you rather see decent, middle income families get help or would you rather drop outs, who contribute little and are basically just oxygen stealers who do nothing for their handout other than exist.

I know who I would rather help.

Decent, ordinary, hard working Australian families providing for the next generation.

How old fashioned eh?

Much better to give it to losers, deadbeats and other assorted scum who turn up in boats.

Cmon, let's be honest - you didn't NEED it at all did you? If you still reckon you did, you need a crash course in running a household budget. I earn half of what you do, I've got a mortgage and 2 kids, and yet the baby bonus from my 2nd is still being spent on an overseas holiday, because the kids have everything they need and more. It was nice to get, but I didn't need it, but I am not so naive to think that there aren't others who would benefit immensely from it, or that a persons value is linked to how much money they have.

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Reply #93 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:56am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

Mate I can categorically tell you that the baby bonus we got went on -

Stroller
Cot
Clothes
Pram
Toys
Nursery fit-out

Not a cent of it was spent on anything other than our new arrival.

That's not what I'm getting at - you were quite capable of buying them all out of your own pocket weren't you?

Besides - $5 grand for that? I suppose if you have to have the $2000 antique, rare hardwood cot and $1500 24K gold-plated pram, and all designer labels for clothes they may only wear once, it could conceivably amount to $5 grand. Most people are more sensible though....I guess it reflects how little you really did need it.

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Reply #94 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:58am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

Mate I can categorically tell you that the baby bonus we got went on -

Stroller
Cot
Clothes
Pram
Toys
Nursery fit-out

Not a cent of it was spent on anything other than our new arrival.

That doesn't justify it's existence at the expense of reduced medical research funding as is tipped to be stated in the 2011 fed budget.

Parents to be were buying that kind of stuff without the baby bonus most of these years past... including periods of higher inflation and unemployment than what is known now.

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Reply #95 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:58am

... wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:56am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

Mate I can categorically tell you that the baby bonus we got went on -

Stroller
Cot
Clothes
Pram
Toys
Nursery fit-out

Not a cent of it was spent on anything other than our new arrival.

That's not what I'm getting at - you were quite capable of buying them all out of your own pocket weren't you?

Besides - $5 grand for that? I suppose if you have to have the $2000 antique, rare hardwood cot and $1500 24K gold-plated pram, and all designer labels for clothes they may only wear once, it could conceivably amount to $5 grand. Most people are more sensible though....I guess it reflects how little you really did need it.

That's not the whole list obviously but when you take the nursery fit out saw about $1k for just aircon unit alone it does add up.

We're both accountants, we know how to budget. We spent it wisely and we did need it.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Dump The baby bonus ???? Reply #96 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:02pm When you consider in 2007 how much tax we paid into Australia - can you honestly tell me we had not paid for that baby bonus tens of times over???
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Reply #98 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:07pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 10:37am:

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

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Reply #83 - Today at 9:25am The whole concept of a baby bonus is flawed, as so many have pointed out, the only people who would be influenced to have a child for a 5k bonus, are so ill equipped to deal with their own life, let alone be responsible for an other, that they should probably be paid NOT to have kids.

that almost has a Nazi ring to it...bit of a long bow you are drawing there.

I am constantly amazed by your inability to understand what is being said, cods.
So at least you have that ability. Wink

really you dont concider.. someone probably a bureaucrat deciding whether someone is so ill equipt, that they should be PAID not to have children..

yes the difference between Nazi Germany and what you have said.. is the gas chamber..

how dare you suggest only those that would be influenced are ill equipped! what exactly give you the right to make such a remark??.. then pass the buck to someone who takes offence about it..

dont be amazed by my remarks take a good look at your own.

you obviously think you are grander and superior to everyone else..

nothing like having tickets on oneself.

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Reply #99 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:07pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Self absorbed, and self entitled feeling nits always say that Andrei.

Tell me then how you could justify us as a couple when PAYG paying over $9,000 in tax every month and then telling us we can't have $5k of that money to spend on our child.

How on earth can you justify taking that amount in tax and giving it to losers?

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Reply #100 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

When you consider in 2007 how much tax we paid into Australia - can you honestly tell me we had not paid for that baby bonus tens of times over???

When you consider in 2007 how many worthy federal programs were under funded - can you honestly tell me that we should be redirecting much needed tax dollars into much less important tax concessions for the middle and working classes which history has shown are more than capable of providing for their newborns without govt. welfare???

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Reply #101 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:11pm

Sappho wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

When you consider in 2007 how much tax we paid into Australia - can you honestly tell me we had not paid for that baby bonus tens of times over???

When you consider in 2007 how many worthy federal programs were under funded - can you honestly tell me that we should be redirecting much needed tax dollars into much less important tax concessions for the middle and working classes which history has shown are more than capable of providing for their newborns without govt. welfare???

I am asking how you can possibly justify taking over $9,000 in tax per month of a single couple.

Then turn around and tell that same couple they are not entitled to help.

This is the problem with a place like Australia.

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Reply #102 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

When you consider in 2007 how much tax we paid into Australia - can you honestly tell me we had not paid for that baby bonus tens of times over???

One of the purposes of tax (besides funding overseas junkets for paper shufflers) is that it be spent on initiatives to help those less fortunate. I pay a lot more tax than I benefit from too, but theres' no avoiding that. I don't begrudge some of it going to give kids who need it a better start, but I don't want it going to buy an ivory dummy for a kid whos parents earn $400 grand a year. Means test it, with the cut off being $1 more than my annual income. Wink

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Reply #103 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:11pm:

Sappho wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

When you consider in 2007 how much tax we paid into Australia - can you honestly tell me we had not paid for that baby bonus tens of times over???

When you consider in 2007 how many worthy federal programs were under funded - can you honestly tell me that we should be redirecting much needed tax dollars into much less important tax concessions for the middle and working classes which history has shown are more than capable of providing for their newborns without govt. welfare???

I am asking how you can possibly justify taking over $9,000 in tax per month of a single couple.

Then turn around and tell that same couple they are not entitled to help.

This is the problem with a place like Australia.

look never being a recipiant of anything like baby bonus.. FHB. and now paid maternity leave... its hard for me to equate anyone being paid to have babies.. however from memory didnt it start out as $3000?..and yes I see the point you make .. but now at the end of the day this has now blown up to be big bucks..with paid maternity leave as well. and this doesnt have to be paid back via tax.. which I find just a wee bit bizarre... we are constantly giving to this generation they will have govt money un till the child is 16 or something like that..even childcare is funded.. so just where does this generosity stop???..for all we know James Packers wife collects as well.isnt there something like $7000 childcare they can claim..thats on top of being paid to have the child.

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Reply #104 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 12:20pm

... wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 11:43am:

The baby bonus is a key component in helping families to transition for a comfortable double income life as a couple into the single income family unit.

We needed (and used correctly) the $5,000 payment we received.

When you consider that we paid over $10,000 per month in tax as a couple it is not as if we didn't pay for it many times over is it?

Would you rather see decent, middle income families get help or would you rather drop outs, who contribute little and are basically just oxygen stealers who do nothing for their handout other than exist.

I know who I would rather help.

Decent, ordinary, hard working Australian families providing for the next generation.

How old fashioned eh?

Much better to give it to losers, deadbeats and other assorted scum who turn up in boats.

Cmon, let's be honest - you didn't NEED it at all did you? If you still reckon you did, you need a crash course in running a household budget. I earn half of what you do, I've got a mortgage and 2 kids, and yet the baby bonus from my 2nd is still being spent on an overseas holiday, because the kids have everything they need and more. It was nice to get, but I didn't need it, but I am not so naive to think that there aren't others who would benefit immensely from it, or that a persons value is linked to how much money they have.

wesley a few short years ago no one dreamed of being paid to have children....its got nothing to do with affording...its all ab out morality now..

I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.

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