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Reply #60 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:28pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:23pm:
Verge, are you not forgetting that some of these young girls have no comprehension of the next 18 years. It doesn't enter their frame of reference.
And it's no accident when there's one or two in the stroller and another one on the way.



I doubt these types could keep their legs shut, 5 grand or no 5 grand.
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Reply #61 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:29pm
 


It's all very ironic, this whole rate race treadmill that we find ourselves on...

It is heartening to see political foes coming together on so many aspects...

Perhaps there is hope that we will again become a society first and an economy second - and that people will be valued above and beyond being soul-less and individualistic units of economic production and consumption...

She'll be in highest room of the tallest tower - yer, like that's ever gonna happen...!?


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Reply #62 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:34pm
 
Did anyone see Today Tonight tonight. There was a 14 year old girl on there that admitted to having a baby just to get the baby bonus! What are these kids being taught? Another thought about the idea of a baby because she thought the $3000 would set her up. They obviously have no idea of how much things cost in this world. I find this offensive that they are using our taxpayers money like this. My husband and I worked hard (both shift workers) before we had children to set ourselves up with a house and car etc. 
~EmsMum~
22-06-2006, 10:16 PM
thats insane a 14 year old had a baby just to get the bonus, some people really have no idea these days!
TabouliRasta
22-06-2006, 10:20 PM
When I was 14 $3ooo.oo would've sounded like an insane amount of money.
SuperWoman
22-06-2006, 10:23 PM
I saw that too. Could'nt believe it . Made me mad:mad: !

Who has a baby for money? It freaks me out that so many of them had babies just for the $3000. Unbelievable!!!!
vanillabean
22-06-2006, 10:23 PM
Yeah, I guess $3000 would be a lot to a 14 year old, but that would be lucky to buy all the stuff needed for a new baby, let alone look after them.
vanillabean
22-06-2006, 10:24 PM
What made me angry was when she was asked what she would spend the money on, she had the hide to say herself!!!
TabouliRasta
22-06-2006, 10:26 PM
Sorta the point I was making was that she's 14.....a baby herself. I just feel sorry for her. She'll have a tough road ahead.
vanillabean
22-06-2006, 10:28 PM
Yep, like they said, babies having babies
CJJHRA
22-06-2006, 10:34 PM
that is very sad, doing it for the money. This girl needs some educating, but sadly, probably wouldnt listen, Just hope in years to come she doesnt regret the decision.
bigglet
22-06-2006, 10:35 PM
I feel for the parents of these kids having babies because a lot of the responsibility falls on them. Sad
SamanthaJane
22-06-2006, 10:40 PM
I really dont like that "babies having babies" comment, i find it quite hurtful...

I know people in my area (one girl is 28, the other girl is 34) and had a baby because the $3000 seemed like a really "kool" bonus. Its not just the young ones who are getting pregnant, just because the money is there.   Sad

My mother's friend's second baby is due in September, she took advantage of the $3000, and knew it was going up to $4000 this year, so strategically started TTC after November last year.   Sad

Who knows what people are thinking when they do these kinds of things. Surely they must not understand the costs of having a child.

But please, lay off the "babies having babies" comments, it really isnt fair. It's not going to help this girl get through the hard road ahead of her.
brizbabe
22-06-2006, 10:50 PM
Samantha :yelclap: well said.

People have babies for all sorts of reasons (not just out of love) but we shouldn't judge and to be honest I wouldn't trust Today Tonight (TRASH TV) to be a truthful, unbiased report on anything. It sensationalises EVERYTHING to get people to watch its'carp reporting!!!:mad:
vanillabean
22-06-2006, 10:54 PM
I agree, it is not just younger ones that are having babies for that reason and I am sorry that the comment was hurtful to you.
Tamz
22-06-2006, 10:55 PM
What peeves me off the most is the Junkies that get pregnant so they can get 3k to shoot up their arm!!!!!!! then there is a poor child that is brought into this world with a druggie mother.:mad: :mad:   Sad

i think the baby bonus should be somthing that is given to families where it is not likely to be used for drugs, alcohol or for their own personal use. IYKWIM

Tamz
JenNT
22-06-2006, 11:19 PM
As far as I was aware, they introduced the payment to younger mothers as well as indigenous in instalement form rather than a lump sum.Wonder if this still applies.:confused:
PhAnToM
22-06-2006, 11:46 PM
I was actually surprised and annoyed when we went to book our hospital last year while I was pg with DS. The midwife (who was lovely but...) made some comment about how we were soooo "lucky" because the baby bonus is now $3000. :confused: Sad 

DH actually got annoyed and said "that is less than 1 term's fees for the school this child will be going to." :rolleyes:
Yes it is nice to receive any amount of money to help contribute towards expenses etc. But please don't go trying to make out that you know, we can now go but a little island off the Carribean! This was our second child, so we knew how much everything costs too.
bigglet
22-06-2006, 11:52 PM
while I was pg with DH.

Wow Lut.... pregnant with your DH..... that's a first! :laughing:
Mamaduke
23-06-2006, 12:00 AM
I knew of girls in the town I grew up in that got pregnant because they wanted a steady income (single mothers' pension) and unless you moved out of town, it was probably the only steady employment there was available.
This was before any 'baby bonus' came in...they were just looking forward to getting a housing commission home, a healthcare card and a pension.
I don't think that the baby bonus has meant girls who wouldn't normally get pregnant are now getting pregnant, they'd be the same type of girls who, like the above example, think that living on welfare is 'a bit of alright'...:confused: 
Ashleigh<3
23-06-2006, 12:13 AM
I do agree with Samantha on what she posted. :yelclap:

As for waiting to catch a train down to Sydney recently, two mothers with strollers and toddlers, hurried past me and I couldn�t help but over hear one of the mother�s yelling at the other about not having enough �methadone�.
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Reply #63 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:38pm
 


Speaking of Shrek...

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bogarde73 wrote on Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:23pm:
Verge, are you not forgetting that some of these young girls have no comprehension of the next 18 years. It doesn't enter their frame of reference.
And it's no accident when there's one or two in the stroller and another one on the way.



I doubt these types could keep their legs shut, 5 grand or no 5 grand.




Settle down, Donkeys - that'll do...

Thankfully, the stats don't back up your assertions - by far, the biggest impact that the ill-conceived Baby Bonus had upon child-bearing was amongst older women...

Contrary to my own predictions, teenage pregnancy rates did not increase (although there was a slowing of the trend of decline in teenage pregnancies)...


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Reply #64 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 4:47pm
 
I have a friend from Poland who when she found out Australia paid $5000 for a child wanted to come immigrate here so we could start a baby business.

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BTW, that was a joke.
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Reply #65 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
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Yeah, I guess $3000 would be a lot to a 14 year old, but that would be lucky to buy all the stuff needed for a new baby, let alone look after them.



Ya reckon?????????
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Reply #66 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:07pm
 
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Did anyone see Today Tonight tonight. There was a 14 year old girl on there that admitted to having a baby just to get the baby bonus! What are these kids being taught? Another thought about the idea of a baby because she thought the $3000 would set her up. They obviously have no idea of how much things cost in this world. I find this offensive that they are using our taxpayers money like this. My husband and I worked hard (both shift workers) before we had children to set ourselves up with a house and car etc.  


Hey numnuts, teen pregnancies have decreased over the last five years from the previous 5, so your today tonight article doesnt mean jack schitt.

Now go away, the adults are talking, and all you do is embarrass yourself imcrook with sensationist bullshit and never an independent thought.
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Reply #67 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:12pm
 
YES, the baby-bonus should be scrapped.

AND the money should go STRAIGHT towards a
DECENT raise in the No-Start 'benefit'.

PARITY WITH PENSIONS, NOW!!!!
NOTHING LESS IS ACCEPTABLE!!!!
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Reply #68 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:13pm
 
What a shame there are some people that don't know, what it is to be a LOW INCOME WORKER.  For some people $5 k is not a lot of money, for other people it is quite a lot of money.  Low income workers, don't have anywhere near the saving capacity of someone on higher wages.  It may well be only 10 weeks of wages for a low income worker, but take out the living expenses.  Rent, food, power, phone, car running costs.  Now how much is left over for saving?, and how long does it take for them to save $5 grand.  For some a very very long time.   It does seem some people, are not in the real world.   Sad   

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Reply #69 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:18pm
 
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What a shame there are some people that don't know, what it is to be a LOW INCOME WORKER.  For some people $5 k is not a lot of money, for other people it is quite a lot of money.  Low income workers, don't have anywhere near the saving capacity of someone on higher wages.  It may well be only 10 weeks of wages for a low income worker, but take out the living expenses.  Rent, food, power, phone, car running costs.  Now how much is left over for saving?, and how long does it take for them to save $5 grand.  For some a very very long time.   It does seem some people, are not in the real world.   Sad  



yes $5K is a lotta money, but thankfully all but the most retarded realise a child will cost them 1000 times more over their lifetime.
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Reply #70 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:20pm
 
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What a shame there are some people that don't know, what it is to be a LOW INCOME WORKER.  For some people $5 k is not a lot of money, for other people it is quite a lot of money.  Low income workers, don't have anywhere near the saving capacity of someone on higher wages.  It may well be only 10 weeks of wages for a low income worker, but take out the living expenses.  Rent, food, power, phone, car running costs.  Now how much is left over for saving?, and how long does it take for them to save $5 grand.  For some a very very long time.   It does seem some people, are not in the real world.   Sad  



And for the parents who wont have an income for years?

For the parents who worked, had kids then didnt return?  Those who dont want to return because they believe that a solid home is worth more than a paid job?

You dont give two craps about anyone other than trying to get your dole payments increased, and its not going to happen by scrapping the baby bonus you tool.

Do you have any idea what kids actually cost, do you even have kids?
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Reply #71 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:22pm
 
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Only an idiot would think this is why people have kids.

If my wife doesnt return to work until our oldest hits schools, we have forgone well over $350k in wages in that time, and that not factoring in further kids.

Yeah, we did it for the $5k.
That is all well and good for you, but what about the unemployed, and the low income workers on $570 gross a week?.  Yes maybe ( SOME DID IT)  for the $5k.    



So you think that ONLY fully employed people have children???

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Reply #72 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:23pm
 
Yes that is very true, but never the less it would still encourage SOME people to have kids that would normally not have, or for that matter should have kids.   Sad
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Reply #73 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:26pm
 
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Yes that is very true, but never the less it would still encourage SOME people to have kids that would normally not have, or for that matter should have kids.   Sad  


Its such a small minority its not even worth mentioning.

The mere fact you think its material shows you must only hang out with morons or believe everything you see on today tonight.

Those that have kids for money have been doing it for years, its call child support.
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Reply #74 - Apr 28th, 2011 at 5:31pm
 
And why not a little bonus, just to help things along.  Of course one could always have two for $10 grand, if they wanted.   Grin
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