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Reply #75 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 9:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 11:30am:

Yeah - Abu - take your 5th century barbaric ways & go & live in Iran.

We don't want your ways in the West.
It's a criminal offence to hit a woman here.

Given the many topics which have seen this message board's total condemnation of his posts .. I don't think Abu is capable of listening AND understanding the message Bobby.

In short .. you are talking to a brick wall when it comes to Abu.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #76 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:01pm And of course .. posts like this from Abu don't help much ... Hitting need not be abusive. Parents often hit their children to discipline them, and it's usually not abusive, even when it causes bruising sometimes. stated by Abu - Oct 14th, 2010, 6:56pm: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1285753174/135#137
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Reply #77 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:02pm

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It's both sad and pathetic to see that you still can't reconcile the fact that these views have no place in Australia and not only that .. they break the law here in Australia.

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They do no such thing

Get this straight Abu - for your own good.

It is illegal to bash people up in Australia - FULLSTOP.

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Reply #78 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 11:07am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 19^th, 2010 at 9:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 19^th, 2010 at 9:09pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 19^th, 2010 at 12:29pm:

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Islam supports physical discipline in extreme cases where a wife takes to rebelliousness and does not listen to her husband.

That is domestic violence, and if you advocate it you are no better than the perpetrator.
I have always stood up for you here Abu, as I think you get a hard time just because you're a Muslim, but making statements like that makes me think I was wrong, you are no better, if you condone domestic violence, which you obviously do, you are a

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And there you have it .. take a good hard look at it everyone ..

the practice of physically abusing another family member is masked under the euphemism and cover of PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE

.. and under what EXTREME circumstances???

in extreme cases where a wife takes to rebelliousness and does not listen to her husband.

I rest my case.

And I hold my head up high as a proud Australian woman because I have the courage of my conviction to stand up against this type of religious institutionalisation of domestic violence.

In fact I abhor it and totally condemn it.

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Oh and the encouraging thing in all this???

Irrespective of what Islam states or what Abu has stated above ... THE LAW OF AUSTRALIA .. THE COUNTRY OF MY BIRTH and CITIZENSHIP PROTECTS ME AS AN AUSTRALIAN WOMAN AGAINST THIS RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONALIZATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE .. and as such I am able to press charges against my "husband" and he may even be sent to prison IF he lays a finger on me.

Thank you!

As I said Abu .. it doesn't look good (for you).

Have a nice day!

Kind regards

Lisa

And there's no escaping this online slaughter ....

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Reply #79 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:07pm

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Parents often hit their children to discipline them, and it's usually not abusive, even when it causes bruising sometimes.

An indication of just how un-powerful this quote really is, you had to repeat it only a few lines later, in order to re-hash it's supposed effectiveness.

- Abu to me a few minutes ago

Well ... there's the lame comeback everyone. Abu in pathetic damage control mode.

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Reply #80 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:08pm

Bobby, Skippy,

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Of course - the Koran overides our laws.
God overides laws from mere mortals.

You two do a good job of displaying nothing but ignorance about Islam and thereby undoing all the "good work" done thus far by Lisa for your side of the discussion. Grin

Whilst it is indeed true that Islamic laws are superior to man made laws, in this situation it's moot. There's no Islamic law commanding people to discipline their wives physically. Therefore doing it would not be according to Islamic law. If Australian law said it's forbidden to pray, and Islamic law commands I pray, then yes there's a case for using this argument.

Also Islamic law forbids a Muslim living under non-Islamic law from breaking the non-Islamic law unnecessarily, but instead to abide by it, so long as it is not evil.

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did you learn your censorship from the Koran ,Abu?

Profanity is not permitted in this forum, please read the forum rules if you still don't comprehend that.

If you wish to continue posting here, then I'd suggest you get used to leaving your potty mouth at the door.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #81 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:11pm Quote: Get this straight Abu - for your own good. It is illegal to bash people up in Australia - FULLSTOP. Right... and nowhere have I said otherwise. Seems you're not too good at reading through that mask of yours batty boy.
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Reply #82 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:12pm

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Hitting need not be abusive. Parents often hit their children to discipline them, and it's usually not abusive, even when it causes bruising sometimes. stated by Abu - Oct 14th, 2010, 6:56pm:

And I'm sure most sane, rational, thinking forummers here agree that a disciplinary smack is sometimes necessary when raising kids. The only reason I mentioned bruising is because as a child my parents sometimes caused minor bruising when smacking, yet it was quite obvious they never intended it to be so, and it was not in an abusive manner, but a corrective one. And I'm sure for many others the experience has been the same, probably even for you yourself. Enough of the hype and overdone reactions... please, and let's get back to reality.

- Abu to me a few moments ago.

AHHHHHH FINALLY! There we have it .. as I thought .. Abu himself is an abused victim of Islamic parents himself and doesn't know any better. For him .. it's ALL normal and thus all about getting back to reality.

I rest my case!

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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #83 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:13pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:11pm:

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Get this straight Abu - for your own good.

It is illegal to bash people up in Australia - FULLSTOP.

Right... and nowhere have I said otherwise.

Seems you're not too good at reading through that mask of yours batty boy.

Watch out Abu -
I wear my underwear on the outside of my trousers!
That's a true Batman - the dark knight.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109218 Melbourne Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #84 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:17pm Listen & watch Abu. [mod: no thanks]
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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #85 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:21pm

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AHHHHHH FINALLY! There we have it .. as I thought .. Abu himself is an abused victim of Islamic parents himself and doesn't know any better. For him .. it's ALL normal and thus all about getting back to reality.

My parents are both non-Muslims you half wit, so even if your further sensationalism here were correct, then it'd be an evidence against non-Muslim Australians, not Muslims.

Your case just keeps going down the gurgler doesn't it?

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Reply #86 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:21pm

The only reason I mentioned bruising is because as a child my parents sometimes caused minor bruising when smacking

,... - Abu

FINALLY .. WE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF ALL THIS MADNESS ..

Abu ..a free tip. GET SOME COUNSELLING AND BLOODY FAST! YOUR POSTS TO DATE INDICATE HOW BADLY YOU NEED IT!

YOU CANNOT HELP ANOTHER PERSON ANYWHERE .. UNTIL YOU LEARN TO GET SOME HELP FOR YOURSELF FIRST!

YOU HAVE NO MESSAGE TO OFFER ANYONE UNTIL YOU DO SO!

Good night!

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109218 Melbourne Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #87 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:26pm Abu - I put the song for you on the chat forum - in case you change your mind & will listen to decadent western music. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1279424905/435#435
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Reply #88 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:43pm

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Abu - I put the song for you on the chat forum -
in case you change your mind & will listen
to decadent western music.

No thanks, probably heard that song more times than you anyway.

In my young pre-Islamic days, I was a musician myself, and we used to cover quite a few Stones songs, so I'm well acquainted with them... thanks anyway

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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #89 - Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:50pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2010 at 10:43pm:

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Abu - I put the song for you on the chat forum -
in case you change your mind & will listen
to decadent western music.

No thanks, probably heard that song more times than you anyway.

In my young pre-Islamic days, I was a musician myself, and we used to cover quite a few Stones songs, so I'm well acquainted with them... thanks anyway

What!
You played decadent western music!

You had better pray for redemption at your mosque.

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