you have to understand shock, FD expects the full suffrage of women to happen 2 seconds after islam took over the barbaric patriarchal society - instantly propelling them into the 21st century,

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 12:00pm:


Cool story FD, but it doesn't change the fact that the claim that the alleged abuser was "pardoned" in that hadith is a complete and utter fabrication.

Maybe if I say it enough times it might eventually get through. Maybe.. but I'm not too optimistic.

Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission.  Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Umar said: "...he struck my chest with his fingers and said: 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you?"

-Muslim

Jarir reported that:"...I could not sit with steadfastness upon the horse. I made the mention of it to he Messenger of God (may peace be upon him) and he struck his hand on my chest and said: O God, grant him steadfastness and make him the guide of righteousness and the rightly-guided one.

- Muslim

Ubayy son of Ka'b reported: "...When the Messenger of God (may peace be upon him) saw how I was affected, he struck my chest..."

- Muslim

Aisha said: "...One day the Messenger of God (may peace be upon him) said: " He who amongst you spreads the cloth and listens to my talk and would then press it against his chest would never forget anything heard from me.  So I spread my mantle and when he had concluded his talk I then pressed it against my chest and so I never forgot after that day anything that he (the Holy Prophet) said..."
- Muslim

Was Muhammed such a clod that he poked women in the chest hard enough to cause them pain whenever he spoke to them?

 
...Anas said, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)."...

- Bukhari

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:03pm:


I think that we have already covered this. A single tap on the chest does not constitute a beating. If I did that to my kids they would probably just laugh.

A strike with his fingers or hand on the chest where a person's heart is was the Prophet's way of making a point to people. It is ludicrous to suggest that this gesture is some kind of beating. THe Prophet would touch people's heart so that what he said would be absorbed by their hearts and sink in. There are many accounts of him doing this with his companions:

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Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

Muhammad's father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him.

a slap on the back
- praise or approval We gave her a big slap on the back for helping to organize the concert.
dioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+slap+on+the+back

Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them."  At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands.

My last recommendation to you is that you should treat women well. Truly they are your helpers, and you have no right over them beyond that - "except if they commit a manifest indecency" [ fahisha mubeena ]. If they do, then refuse to share their beds, and then (as a last resort) hit them "without indecent violence"[ fadribuhunna darban ghayra mubarrih ].
- Saheeh al-Muslim

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Only naivete could lead someone to an alternative conclusion.

So do we. That doesn't mean we should permit wife beating.

Suicide is the leading cause of death for Australian men aged under 45...

...On average, every five hours an Australian male under age 45 takes his own life. For every completed suicide, experts estimate that as many as 30 people attempt to take their own lives.

Men in Australia are four times more likely to die by suicide than women, while the prevalence of suicide among indigenous people is far higher than for their non-Aboriginal counterparts...

...Its chairman Jeff Kennett says male suicide has become a national emergency.

“Every week, 33 men take their own lives…  in the age group 14 to 44, the biggest killer of men is suicide.”...


http://www.voanews.com/content/australia-addresses-high-rates-of-male-suicide/1677881.html

Why is the male suicide rate rising?

The reasons why the number of men taking their own lives has risen in recent years are far from clear. All of the proposed explanations share a common feature – the changing role of men in society...

...Changes that are assumed to be symptoms of the 'breakdown of society' are associated with a rising suicide rate (examples include the rising divorce rate and falling church attendances)...

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/depressionsuicide.htm

The Gender Inequality Of Suicide: Why Are Men At Such High Risk?

The World Health Organization estimates that about one million people take their own lives each year, and this is not counting those who attempt it but are not “successful.” In just about every country, men commit suicide more frequently than women, which is intriguing since women typically have higher (at least, reported) rates of mental health disorders like depression. A new study looked at the factors that might explain why certain groups of men are so much more likely than women to take their own lives...

...One of the risk factors for suicide in men seems to be middle age. Historically, younger men were at greater risk than older ones, but this has changed in recent decades. Now, middle-aged men experience the lowest levels of well-being and the highest suicide rates (especially if they are of lower socioeconomic class; more on this later). In fact, well-being for both sexes follows a U-shaped curve, with well-being bottoming out in the middle years.

For middle-aged men today, being in between two very different generations (“the prewar ‘silent’ and the post-war ‘me’ generation”) may make them feel more stuck. “Men currently in their mid-years are the ‘buffer’ generation – caught between the traditional silent, strong, austere masculinity of their fathers and the more progressive, open and individualistic generation of their sons. They do not know which of these ways of life and masculine cultures to follow.”...

...Another interesting finding is that while divorce and separation are linked to suicide risk in both sexes, divorced/separated men seem particularly vulnerable to suicidal “ideation” (thoughts and planning) and to suicide itself. This may make sense, since it’s been shown that men derive more mental and physical health benefits from marriage than do women (although it’s good for both sexes) – so the breakdown of a marriage could lead to more detrimental outcomes for men. That said, there’s still a lot of pressure on men to fill out the masculine husband role, whatever socioeconomic class one is in, and the reality is that today this classic role may be somewhat unrealistic. “There is a large and unbridgeable gap between the culturally authorised idea of ‘hegemonic masculinity’ and the reality of everyday survival for men in crisis,” write the authors. One way of taking back one’s own masculinity, they suggest, is to take one’s own life....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2012/09/24/the-gender-inequality-of-suicide-why-are-men-at-such-high-risk/