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Sep 8th, 2010 at 2:00pm
 
Wouldn't you if you had all of those oil assets to protect !!

http://gm-volt.com/2010/09/06/leaked-study-by-german-military-predicts-dire-cons...

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Leaked Study by German Military Predicts Dire Consequences of Peak Oil


Peak oil is the theory and study of the time when global oil production reaches its maximum rate and then declines terminally, despite growing demand. Peak oil is a fact of nature that either will shortly occur or is presently occurring; oil is a finite resource and at some point remaining reserves will decline and not be able to keep up with demand.

It is a very compelling reason to move towards electrification the automobile.

Generally large western democratic governments do not publish reports on the study of peak oil or its consequence, for fear of causing public distress. However a document produced by the German military was recently leaked to the media via the German outlet Der Spiegel.

This document was never meant to be seen by the public and outlines some very dramatic, drastic, and sobering consequences of peak oil.

The report claims there is “some probability that peak oil will occur around the year 2010 and that the impact on security is expected to be felt 15 to 30 years later.”

Analysis of the report has led to seven key findings.

    * Oil will determine power:
     Oil producing nations will gain considerable power in the international landscape and will use this power to expand their domestic and foreign policies in their own best interests.

    * Increasing importance of oil exporters:
     Oil importing countries will have to compete with each other to obtain oil from oil exporters. This will allow the oil exporting countries to implement their political, economic, and ideological goals on dependent nations including the use of aggressive and assertive tactics.

    * Politics in place of the market:
     The global oil market will retract from free-trade mechanisms and degenerate into two-way contracts between oil producing and oil importing nations.

    * Market failures:
     The report paints a bleak picture of the global economy as oil shortages develop. Since all goods depend on oil to transport them, shortages and price escalations of vital goods will arise. “In the medium term the global economic system and every market-oriented national economy would collapse,” the study authors conclude.

    * Relapse into planned economy:
     Since all economic sectors are reliant on oil, peak oil could lead to complete or partial failure of all markets. This could lead to goverments’ rationing of vital goods.

    * Global chain reaction:
     There will not be enough time to restructure oil supplies among dependent nations.  Since those nations are so closely intertwined, including Germany, economic crises or crashes will rapidly will spread throughout the developed world.

   * Crisis of political legitimacy:
     So potent is the grip of oil dependence, the report predicts that it is possible even democracy itself won’t be able to survive peak oil.  The would create openings for extremist forms of government, intense political distress, and even open violent conflict in the streets.

Clearly these predictions are drastic, but it is important to take note that this report wasn’t written by some fringe psychopathic recluse, but by the military of one of the largest democratic economies in the world.

I’m not sure what I can do about it, but hopefully buying a Chevy Volt is a first step in the right direction.  Let’s hope we have enough time and ingenuity to avert this potential outcome.

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Reply #1 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 11:32pm
 
Nail - we have plenty of gas reserves in Australia.
If we stop selling it at 4 cents a litre to the Chinese
we'd never have to buy petrol again.

Pity that all Aussie cars don't run gas.
We could all be using gas at say 8 cents a litre
if the Govt. didn't tax the hell out of it.
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Reply #2 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 11:38pm
 
really good question re the gas.
Why do Australian governments and bureaucracies make it so difficult to get the equipment to run motor vehicles on natural gas?
These vehicles are actually manufactured by two or three major car manufacturers (e.g. VW, Toyota or Honda, I can't recall which ones now), but it is illegal to import them into Australia. You can buy the equipment yourself in Australia and convert your car, but the cost of all these things are quite high for the ordinary person.
But yet, as you say, Australia is exporting its gas to China for a few cents a litre while the rest of the population pays exorbitant prices for fuel which does a lot to dampen the ordinary person's economy.

And what do you hear from the major parties about this - notably the Greens and Labor - zippo, that's what. They are all bullshiters. They are not interested in helping the economy, they are interested in making themselves look good and holding on to government so they can get the perks.
Selfish pea brains run this country.
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Reply #3 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 11:43pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 11:38pm:
really good question re the gas.
Why do Australian governments and bureaucracies make it so difficult to get the equipment to run motor vehicles on natural gas?
These vehicles are actually manufactured by two or three major car manufacturers (e.g. VW, Toyota or Honda, I can't recall which ones now), but it is illegal to import them into Australia. You can buy the equipment yourself in Australia and convert your car, but the cost of all these things are quite high for the ordinary person.
But yet, as you say, Australia is exporting its gas to China for a few cents a litre while the rest of the population pays exorbitant prices for fuel which does a lot to dampen the ordinary person's economy.

And what do you hear from the major parties about this - notably the Greens and Labor - zippo, that's what. They are all bullshiters. They are not interested in helping the economy, they are interested in making themselves look good and holding on to government so they can get the perks.
Selfish pea brains run this country.


The greens definitely advocate electric cars for the masses so they definitely want to help the average punter. The major parties want people to be addicted to the bowser so they can screw them with taxes Sad
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Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 12:05am
 
oh really? Labor doesn't want to screw people with taxes do they?
They are the worst bullshiters of all of them; they say the are there to look after the ordinary, little people, and all they do is tax the crapper out of them. Labor is bullshit.
Oh great - electric cars is it? So where does the energy come from for those then? Power stations?
Why don't they subsidise individual natural gas or solar panels for residential houses for the express purpose of charging electric motor vehicles?
No - they can find and lose millions, possibly billions on batty roof insulation and dodgy school building funds, but there's no taxes in those are there? Got to fund the deficits somehow - better keep all fuel other than petrol prohibitive.
Marxist Morons.
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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 1:05am
 
Who cares,
Holden has stated they will have 80% Electrical - 20% Petrol cars by 2020.
Not only that,
I think Issaac Asimov nailed it with 'Nuclear Energy' as a more positive solution besides annihilation.

...remember, the less you buy, the more you cripple em.
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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 6:23am
 
The “Arc of Crisis” and the Iranian Revolution
When Jimmy Carter became President in 1977, he appointed over two-dozen members of the Trilateral Commission to his administration, which was an international think tank formed by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller in 1973. Brzezinski had invited Carter to join the Trilateral Commission, and when Carter became President, Brzezinski became National Security Adviser; Cyrus Vance, also a member of the Commission, became Secretary of State; and Samuel Huntington, another Commission member, became Coordinator of National Security and Deputy to Brzezinski. Author and researcher Peter Dale Scott deserves much credit for his comprehensive analysis of the events leading up to and during the Iranian Revolution in his book, “The Road to 9/11”,* which provides much of the information below.
Samuel Huntington and Zbigniew Brzezinski were to determine the US policy position in the Cold War, and the US-Soviet policy they created was termed, “Cooperation and Competition,” in which Brzezinski would press for “Cooperation” when talking to the press, yet, privately push for “competition.” So, while Secretary of State Cyrus Vance was pursuing détente with the Soviet Union, Brzezinski was pushing for American supremacy over the Soviet Union. Brzezinski and Vance would come to disagree on almost every issue.[4]
In 1978, Zbigniew Brzezinski gave a speech in which he stated, “An arc of crisis stretches along the shores of the Indian Ocean, with fragile social and political structures in a region of vital importance to us threatened with fragmentation. The resulting political chaos could well be filled by elements hostile to our values and sympathetic to our adversaries.” The Arc of Crisis stretched from Indochina to southern Africa, although, more specifically, the particular area of focus was “the nations that stretch across the southern flank of the Soviet Union from the Indian subcontinent to Turkey, and southward through the Arabian Peninsula to the Horn of Africa.” Further, the “center of gravity of this arc is Iran, the world’s fourth largest oil producer and for more than two decades a citadel of U.S. military and economic strength in the Middle East. Now it appears that the 37-year reign of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi is almost over, ended by months of rising civil unrest and revolution.”[5]
With rising discontent in the region, “There was this idea that the Islamic forces could be used against the Soviet Union. The theory was, there was an arc of crisis, and so an arc of Islam could be mobilized to contain the Soviets. It was a Brzezinski concept.”[6] A month prior to Brzezinski’s speech, in November of 1978, “President Carter named the Bilderberg group’s George Ball, another member of the Trilateral Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the National Security Council’s Brzezinski.” Further, “Ball recommended that Washington drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalist Islamic opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini.”[7] George Ball’s visit to Iran was a secret mission.[8]
Throughout 1978, the Shah was under the impression that “the Carter administration was plotting to topple his regime.” In 1978, the Queen and Shah’s wife, told Manouchehr Ganji, a minister in the Shah’s government, that, “I wanted to tell you that the Americans are maneuvering to bring down the Shah,” and she continued saying that she believed “they even want to topple the regime.”[9] The US Ambassador to Iran, William Sullivan, thought that the revolution would succeed, and told this to Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General under the Johnson administration, as well as professor Richard Falk, when they were visiting Sullivan in Iran in 1978. Clark and Falk then went from Iran to Paris, to visit Khomeini, who was there in exile. James Bill, a Carter adviser, felt that, “a religious movement brought about with the United States’ assistance would be a natural friend of the United States.”[10]
Also interesting is the fact that the British BBC broadcast pro-Khomeini Persian-language programs daily in Iran, as a subtle form of propaganda, which “gave credibility to the perception of United States and British support of Khomeini.”[11] The BBC refused to give the Shah a platform to respond, and “[r]epeated personal appeals from the Shah to the BBC yielded no result.”[12]
In the May 1979 meeting of the Bilderberg Group, Bernard Lewis, a British historian of great influence (hence, the Bilderberg membership), presented a British-American strategy which, “endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeini, in order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites, Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread in what he termed an ‘Arc of Crisis,’ which would spill over into the Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.”[13] Further, it would prevent Soviet influence from entering the Middle East, as the Soviet Union was viewed as an empire of atheism and godlessness: essentially a secular and immoral empire, which would seek to impose secularism across Muslim countries. So supporting radical Islamic groups would mean that the Soviet Union would be less likely to have any influence...
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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:48am
 
shampain socialist wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 12:05am:
oh really? Labor doesn't want to screw people with taxes do they?
They are the worst bullshiters of all of them; they say the are there to look after the ordinary, little people, and all they do is tax the crapper out of them. Labor is bullshit.
Oh great - electric cars is it? So where does the energy come from for those then? Power stations?
Why don't they subsidise individual natural gas or solar panels for residential houses for the express purpose of charging electric motor vehicles?
No - they can find and lose millions, possibly billions on batty roof insulation and dodgy school building funds, but there's no taxes in those are there? Got to fund the deficits somehow - better keep all fuel other than petrol prohibitive.
Marxist Morons.


What are you talking about. The Government already does subsidize solar panels on your roof. We just don't have the electric cars to charge up and Holden and Ford refuse to make them here. Labor wants to give Holden 100's of millions of dollars to import yet another fossil fool car from Korea. Go figure Sad Just look at what the CSIRO built for Holden many years ago. Now it is stuck in Power House museum Sad

ECOmmodore is Australia’s first ‘green’ car

http://www.fastlane.com.au/news/holden_ecommodore.htm

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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 1:05am:
Who cares,
Holden has stated they will have 80% Electrical - 20% Petrol cars by 2020.
Not only that,
I think Issaac Asimov nailed it with 'Nuclear Energy' as a more positive solution besides annihilation.

...remember, the less you buy, the more you cripple em.


They said this 20 years ago. They just keep moving the goal posts forward each time Sad
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