Bring back the death penalty in Australia ! How a society can call itself enlightened and not have the death penaly is beyond me.

He is unfortunately someone who has made a very bad judgement call. The lure of course for criminal activity is the disproportional reward for the smallest amount of effort...if he had made it he would probably been laughing and partying for weeks or months and then planning the next load of killer poo to come in. Mule is not something I would opt for the death penalty here for generally. Certainly for the ringleaders.

He's young and silly and probably a history criminal delinquent. He took that life choice to another country with a different set of rules. So be it.

I understand what you are say Mozz but my point of view is that an enlightened society is not the one that abolishes the dealth penalty but the one that accepts that

1) there are individuals that are so dangerous that they should never be released

2) there are individuals that have no remorse or desire to alter their attitude and therefore offer considerable risk to the community upon release or are career and multiple offenders.

3) individuals that rape and murder ruin entire lives and I have no problem expressing that I think these serious crimes should have the death penalty as an option. In the case of crimes against children it should be mandatory.

I don't actually have much sympathy for drug pushing vermin nor for the users that steal my or my families hard earned belongings.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 10:38pm:


I bet it has reduced the number of idiot young Australians volunteering to be drug mules out of Asia. And his execution will make it all new and fresh in the eyes of these morons. Problem solved?? No. Problem reduced?? I recken so.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 10:38pm:


I didn't fight for it. In fact if I had been old enough II would have fought against it. I think it could be won back as well but we need to grow up a bit first. We confused being suckers for being enlightened.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 10:38pm:


What's your definition of humanitarian?

BTW don't you vote Liberal?? Sorry if I have you confused with someone else.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 28^th, 2010 at 3:12pm:


Explain why you say it is not enlightened to have the death penalty for heinous crime, unrepentant and habitual criminals and the irreversibly insane. I will argue that enlightenment is the opposite.

Well the reason people argue against it Locutious is that your argument relies on being the greatest good, for the greatest number, which also includes killing the terminally ill, the severely brain damaged, or severely physically disabled amongst others, as killing these people will deliver cost benefits at the very least.
There are arguments in favour of such ideas, but not well enough developed to ever be a serious question in my lifetime.

Fair enough Gizmo, there are also those who do not care about the greater good argument, and just want to kill for vengeance sake, which is also understandable, but a personal decision whether or not you wish to  choose that reason.

When people are repeat offenders, obviously killing them after they are convicted of a first offense precludes other victims falling prey to them, and I do not think anybody argues that is not the case, but most people prefer permanent jail sentences for such high risk offenders to killing them, it is just where we are as a society.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:


As gizmo correctly points out it does not say that.

Certainly the terminally ill, that have contributed to this country should be offered whatever comforts them including euthinasia. And the severly physically disabled may very well still contribute to society. Stephen Hawking. Also these are people that have not abused, violated and murdered others. In a real sense they are victims.

I is not just about utilitarian issue although I will say that ultilitarian motives are NOT irrevevent. But it is also about what works. What can stop the cycle? What can be done to shrink the cycle.

I do actually have some sympathy to some criminals as they are just passing on the abuse they suffered...many of them were once doe eyed trusting good natured little children who were abused and damaged. That is why I say that torture serves no enlightened purpose.

So when reading about a grown man inflicting prolonged and deliberate harm and finally death on a small innocent little body. My gut instinct is to say visit the same if not more on to that piece of filth.

But being enlightened I can say the best that can be done is to tell them that we are sorry that it has come to this, that their own damaged lives (not always) bought them to this point but we need to end this particular thread of events. So long. BANG. And let the Bulldozer cover the pit.

Then be glad of heart for making children's live just a little bit more safe. Take a nap.