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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #420 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 6:36pm

A terrorist group is highly unlikely to use the route taken by asylum seekers to get into western countries. Why would a terrorist sit for months or years in a refugee camp and then risk life and limb on a leaky boat and after that sit in a detention camp for months or years before maybe landing in Australia on a refugee visa.
They are more likely to use all the money and resources terrorist groups have and simply fly in, in less than a day on forged documents and a false passport.

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #421 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 6:58pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 4:58pm:

Yeah, I know, we have the worst system except for all the others.
Terrible.

Terrible! It's liberal democracy versus the Islamic caliphate.

Doesn't matter. Gott mit uns, old dear. [/quote]

ANd you ask what complacenik means? Donkey, it is you: "Hey, it's all the same except when sh!t happens, and then it's our fault". Easy.
And then "Gott mit uns"? "Old dear"? Is that all you have to show for your HECS debt?

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #422 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 7:33pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 6:36pm:

A terrorist group is highly unlikely to use the route taken by asylum seekers to get into western countries. Why would a terrorist sit for months or years in a refugee camp and then risk life and limb on a leaky boat and after that sit in a detention camp for months or years before maybe landing in Australia on a refugee visa.
They are more likely to use all the money and resources terrorist groups have and simply fly in, in less than a day on forged documents and a false passport.

You are wrong, as no less than 70 have already been deported this year, of which have been linked to terrorist organisations,(Some have even escaped from our detention centres whilst awaiting deportation due to their crimes back home)...but we don't want to discuss these victims, do we.

Many of which are believed to have conveniently lost their documentation upon arrival, how uncanny, despite them having it with them to board planes for best part of their journey to Australia.

If you think all refugees are poor needy wretches, think again.
How do you suppose they managed to scrape up the funds to queue-jump to begin with, this and decided to take the illegal rout when they could have chosen a more affordable 'legal' avenue?

I'm not suggesting all are criminals, though many who come here via illegal avenues, do so because they fear their applications might be rejected, and rather than risk this, they choose an alternative rout, this and conveniently lose their papers along the way.

No, we aren't supposed to talk about these refugees in our media, these are the refugees we aren't supposed to know, much less talk about...the poor needy wretches.

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Reply #423 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 8:26pm

Neither of our leading political parties (and or main stream media) want to discus this issue, due to our being this close to a federal election, so it's being put on the back-burner.

Should Labor get back in again, then I suspect it will be a non-discussion for another 3 years until finally Australians will wake up and smell the camel pood.

But by then, the damage will have been done, and we will be too controlled, (media wise) to do or say much about it.

The last Rudd election was our nations first ever social media election, and if they can control this, (which has been the case for the last 3 years)...then hey, they have us by the balls again this time, and they know this.

Cool

So....don't forget to roll a gold coin into our "Keep silent and support illegal immigration" tin on your way past the ballot box this election....did you know over 90% of illegal immigrants enter our country 1st class via plane?

And why, because they can, it's easy!

The ones who arrive by boat choose to do so because providing documentation at theirs or our airports might comprise their chances in terms of being granted refugee status.

There's the matter of photo identification to contend with you see.

Really, there is no need to cheat the system these days, they can arrive via plane, much more affordably, comfortably than they ever could by boat, this and receive silver service upon arrival being taxied back to our state of the art tax-funded immigration resorts. Cool

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #424 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 9:17pm

Very close but not quite right.
You come by plane - we know who you are and will assess you. If you are rejected, like the Iranian cleric recently, you are out.
You come by boat, with no ID documents - you went to another country first, so you have no claim here. Go back to the country you travelled to with ID documents and make your asylum claim there.

Just like with the burqa - we want to know who the bugger you are. That's gotta be fair enough in any language. If not fair enough - bugger orf.
Your colour, creed or the hole you take it up doesn't matter.

We are entitled to know who the bugger you are. If that grates, bugger orf.

(NB. I am providing this information in the pidgin English vernacular, published by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship. The information is also available in other community languages)

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Reply #425 - Jul 17^th, 2010 at 4:56pm

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 9:17pm:

Just like with the burqa - we want to know who the bugger you are. That's gotta be fair enough in any language. If not fair enough - bugger orf.
Your colour, creed or the hole you take it up doesn't matter.

We are entitled to know who the bugger you are. If that grates, bugger orf.

You're recommending that the Department of Immigration check the identity of people who come to Australia.

Gee. They should give you a job in policy.

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #426 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 12:00am

Look how insensitive this guy is! He says that if you can see his face, he should be able to see your face. The islamophobic, freedom-trampling, intolerant cheek of him!!!

Conservative MP Philip Hollobone refuse to meet with constituents wearing a veil

A Conservative MP has declared that he will not having meetings with constituents who refuse to remove their Islamic face veil.
By Laura Roberts
17 Jul 2010

MP Philip Hollobone says he will not hold meetings with constituents who refuse to remove their veil Photo: JOHN ROBERTSON Philip Hollobone, MP for Kettering, was accused by Muslim groups of "failing in his duty" as MP.
Mr Hollobone is trying to bring in a Private Member's Bill to ban women wearing the burka or niqab in public.
He argued that he would not be able to satisfy himself of the identity of a person without being able to do so. Mr Hollobone said that he would "invite" anyone who did not wish to remove their veil to communicate with him in a "different way", such as by letter, rather than face to face. He said that the burka or niqab was not a religious requirement and that the majority of Muslim women dressed in a way in which their face was visible.
Following France's recent decision to ban the burka in public Mr Hollobone said he hoped that other European nations would "sit up and take notice". However, Shaista Gohir, executive director of the Muslim Women's Network UK, said his comments would simply exacerbate intolerance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7895995/Conservative-MP-Phil...

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #427 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 12:11am

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2010 at 12:00am:

Look how insensitive this guy is! He says that if you can see his face, he should be able to see your face. The islamophobic, freedom-trampling, intolerant cheek of him!!!

Conservative MP Philip Hollobone refuse to meet with constituents wearing a veil

A Conservative MP has declared that he will not having meetings with constituents who refuse to remove their Islamic face veil.
By Laura Roberts
17 Jul 2010

MP Philip Hollobone says he will not hold meetings with constituents who refuse to remove their veil Photo: JOHN ROBERTSON Philip Hollobone, MP for Kettering, was accused by Muslim groups of "failing in his duty" as MP.
Mr Hollobone is trying to bring in a Private Member's Bill to ban women wearing the burka or niqab in public.
He argued that he would not be able to satisfy himself of the identity of a person without being able to do so. Mr Hollobone said that he would "invite" anyone who did not wish to remove their veil to communicate with him in a "different way", such as by letter, rather than face to face. He said that the burka or niqab was not a religious requirement and that the majority of Muslim women dressed in a way in which their face was visible.
Following France's recent decision to ban the burka in public Mr Hollobone said he hoped that other European nations would "sit up and take notice". However, Shaista Gohir, executive director of the Muslim Women's Network UK, said his comments would simply exacerbate intolerance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7895995/Conservative-MP-Phil...

Good on him, for being so foolish as to effectively-invite Muslim protestors to picket him at every opportunity...

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #428 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 12:19am ... and thereby showing them up for the fanatical pinheads that they are. A cunning plan, my lord.
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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #429 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 4:35am

If its in the Constitution. Its in the document

Commonwealth Of Australia Constitution Act
Chapter V. The States.

116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/chapter5.htm Cheesy

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #430 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 4:37am

Equitist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2010 at 12:11am:

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2010 at 12:00am:

Look how insensitive this guy is! He says that if you can see his face, he should be able to see your face. The islamophobic, freedom-trampling, intolerant cheek of him!!!

Conservative MP Philip Hollobone refuse to meet with constituents wearing a veil

A Conservative MP has declared that he will not having meetings with constituents who refuse to remove their Islamic face veil.
By Laura Roberts
17 Jul 2010

MP Philip Hollobone says he will not hold meetings with constituents who refuse to remove their veil Photo: JOHN ROBERTSON Philip Hollobone, MP for Kettering, was accused by Muslim groups of "failing in his duty" as MP.
Mr Hollobone is trying to bring in a Private Member's Bill to ban women wearing the burka or niqab in public.
He argued that he would not be able to satisfy himself of the identity of a person without being able to do so. Mr Hollobone said that he would "invite" anyone who did not wish to remove their veil to communicate with him in a "different way", such as by letter, rather than face to face. He said that the burka or niqab was not a religious requirement and that the majority of Muslim women dressed in a way in which their face was visible.
Following France's recent decision to ban the burka in public Mr Hollobone said he hoped that other European nations would "sit up and take notice". However, Shaista Gohir, executive director of the Muslim Women's Network UK, said his comments would simply exacerbate intolerance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7895995/Conservative-MP-Phil...

Good on him, for being so foolish as to effectively-invite Muslim protestors to picket him at every opportunity...

Under earth we were all created equal, we were all human. What he should of done was used a mediator/proxy and worked via remote to come to an agreement to meet the veiled party to discuss his political views held within his sanction. If he feels that the said citizen of the Commonwealth cannot be met on private grounds he must talk to this person on public grounds.

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #431 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:24pm

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2010 at 7:23pm:

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Religion is not the only reason for persecution. Nationality or even language can fuel suspicion and hatred too.

Even something as simple as dressing to a different standard gets some people all wound up.

It's every freeborn man's right to say if something p!sses him orf. The Spectator nails it :

That’s the thing that everybody seems to forget. I might have the right to wear pants on my head as much as I like. But I don’t have the right to not be told by people who see me that I look like an idiot. I don’t have the right not to be asked if I wouldn’t perhaps mind growing the hell up, and taking them off.
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When did the world suddenly decide that the right to do something necessarily entailed the right not to be politely asked to stop doing it? It’s a dangerous nonsense. None of this is about ‘rights’ at all. It’s about manners. Security concerns aside, of course, women should have the right to wear the burka, anywhere they like. But that doesn’t mean it’s not an inherently repellent garment, the wearing of which, in Britain, is basically just rude. So stop it.

Just so.

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Reply #432 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:31pm

Soren wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2010 at 7:23pm:

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Religion is not the only reason for persecution. Nationality or even language can fuel suspicion and hatred too.

Even something as simple as dressing to a different standard gets some people all wound up.

It's every freeborn man's right to say if something p!sses him orf. The Spectator nails it :

That’s the thing that everybody seems to forget. I might have the right to wear pants on my head as much as I like.

My dear, dear fellow, of course you do. But kindly take them off if you enter a house.

It's only manners.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #433 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:39pm Unbelievable!! You actually understood something! Yes, it was a simple idea, but still, give yourself a pat on the head. Well done.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92468 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #434 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:20pm Soren wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:39pm: Unbelievable!! You actually understood something! Yes, it was a simple idea, but still, give yourself a pat on the head. Well done. No no, dear boy. The pleasure is all mine. Such a smart fellow!
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