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Reply #60 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 9:46pm

Paella wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:28pm:

I will leave you with a quote from the comedian David Cross:

"I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our support for Israel, our ties with the Saudi family and our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because that's what he f**ing said!"

See?? Even a comedian you quote thinks you are wrong.

Paella wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 5:48pm:

The behaviours associated with muslims are driven by economic factors, not religious factors.

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Reply #61 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 9:51pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 13^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

theres the bits about killing homos, having multiple wives, divorcing at will, the dad having the say about the kids, killing those that leave islam, women not driving, no drawings of moh the chief paedophile, cutting hands off thieves, public hangings, whipping, banning alcohol, in some areas banning music and the flying of kites.

basically, its arbitratry, violent, sexist and repressive.

Justto prove you're not making this up - can you provide a link with proof of this?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

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Reply #62 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 12:57pm

freediver wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 9:51pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 13^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

theres the bits about killing homos, having multiple wives, divorcing at will, the dad having the say about the kids, killing those that leave islam, women not driving, no drawings of moh the chief paedophile, cutting hands off thieves, public hangings, whipping, banning alcohol, in some areas banning music and the flying of kites.

basically, its arbitratry, violent, sexist and repressive.

Justto prove you're not making this up - can you provide a link with proof of this?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Freediver, your link was about general Islamic ideas.

Some of it was crap. Circumcision of women, for example, is not required in Islam.

And it's not even required for men - I don't think there's anything in the Koran about it. Still, it's become a Muslim cultural practice and Muslims all do it, but this is not Shariah law.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41788 Gender:	Re: muslims push for sharia in auss Reply #63 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 1:16pm typical islamics response. did abu and you go to the same training camp ? look at your idioticy "muslims do it, it occurs in islamic countries - but it's not islam" fkwt, it is, muslims in those countries say it is. go and tell them they are wrong.
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Reply #64 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 1:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:00pm:

karnal - so all the islamic countries in the world bear no reflection on islam ?
they just happend to be populated entirely by muslims who have banned any other religion and say they folow the arbitrary laws set down by some creep.

Yes. I think you'll find most Muslim countries have European legal systems set up by the ex-European colonial powers.

Indonesia (the largest Muslim nation) has a Roman-Dutch model. Malaysia has an English model.

If you read my post above, you'll see that a difference exists between Roman (European) and English legal systems that the writer attributes to contact - via the Crusades - with Islam.

Napoleon reformed the French legal system after the revolution and they have another model, but based on the Roman. The Americans based their legal system on this.

I think you'll find most gulf states have European or English legal systems.

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Reply #65 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 2:06pm

I think you will find all the muslim countries are poo.
that's why they are coming to the west.
Only thing is, they want to bring their loser regressive ideas too !!!!!!!

according to islamic idiots like you and abu, islam has not existed anywhere for centuries.
but you desire it !!!!!!!!!!
it failed because it was crap. same as living in caves.

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Reply #66 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 3:13pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2010 at 2:06pm:

I think you will find all the muslim countries are poo.
that's why they are coming to the west.
Only thing is, they want to bring their loser regressive ideas too !!!!!!!

according to islamic idiots like you and abu, islam has not existed anywhere for centuries.
but you desire it !!!!!!!!!!
it failed because it was crap. same as living in caves.

Living in caves failed? That's news to me.

It's hard to respond to such a powerful and resonating statement like "all the Muslim countries are poo." Paella's smart for giving up.

You probably haven't heard that the richest country (per capita) is also a Muslim country. God knows how Brunei ever managed to keep all that oil for themselves.

But why would they want to escape universal health care, education, housing subsidies and parenting payments, and move over here?

Dick Cheney once commented how God had placed all the ground with the oil under "evil" hands.

God works in mysterious ways, I suppose.

But before someone butts in with how Australia, as opposed to all the oil-rich poo Muslim countries, is some centre for innovation and excellence - our economy is also based on the fossil fuels that come from our ground. Just like the developed Muslim countries that live off their oil subsidies, Australia is living off its coal and iron ore.

We might live in McMansions now, but our wealth comes from the "caves."

The reason the US are even in Afghanistan and Iraq, is what lies under their ground. Iraq, by the way, is also a secular Muslim country with a European legal system.

A great nation? Freedom? Democracy? Hardly. The Iraqis and Afghanis we get over here are escaping war.

They might indeed bring a few loser regressive ideas with them. But largely, I'd suggest that these have been forged in a continual state of trauma and war.

Which war? The war to secure what God has placed under their ground.

It's lucky for us God placed all our coal into good Christian hands.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: muslims push for sharia in auss Reply #67 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 6:21pm Karnal has raised an interesting point about the Australian economy that may actually have some support. Our endowment of natural resources really is a blessing..
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Reply #68 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 7:28pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 16^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 9:51pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 13^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

theres the bits about killing homos, having multiple wives, divorcing at will, the dad having the say about the kids, killing those that leave islam, women not driving, no drawings of moh the chief paedophile, cutting hands off thieves, public hangings, whipping, banning alcohol, in some areas banning music and the flying of kites.

basically, its arbitratry, violent, sexist and repressive.

Justto prove you're not making this up - can you provide a link with proof of this?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Freediver, your link was about general Islamic ideas.

Some of it was crap. Circumcision of women, for example, is not required in Islam.

And it's not even required for men - I don't think there's anything in the Koran about it. Still, it's become a Muslim cultural practice and Muslims all do it, but this is not Shariah law.

According to Malik it is (just not the 'mutilation' bit), but I will happily correct it if it is wrong. Abu has stopped answering my questions about Islam, so I haven't been making many corrections lately.

As for being general, well you were asking a very general question.

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Reply #69 - Mar 17^th, 2010 at 12:05am

karnal - yes, living in caves failed.
we now live in houses !!!!!!!!!

something better was invented.

in case you have lived in a cave, the most desirable countries to live in are secular democratic capitalistic ones.
Has been that way for a long time.
eg, australia, america, sweden, denmark, japan.

where do muslim countries rank ?
in the lowest percentile

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Reply #70 - Mar 17^th, 2010 at 9:06am

freediver wrote on Mar 16^th, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 16^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 9:51pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 13^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

theres the bits about killing homos, having multiple wives, divorcing at will, the dad having the say about the kids, killing those that leave islam, women not driving, no drawings of moh the chief paedophile, cutting hands off thieves, public hangings, whipping, banning alcohol, in some areas banning music and the flying of kites.

basically, its arbitratry, violent, sexist and repressive.

Justto prove you're not making this up - can you provide a link with proof of this?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Freediver, your link was about general Islamic ideas.

Some of it was crap. Circumcision of women, for example, is not required in Islam.

And it's not even required for men - I don't think there's anything in the Koran about it. Still, it's become a Muslim cultural practice and Muslims all do it, but this is not Shariah law.

As for being general, well you were asking a very general question.

Freediver, the thread's about Shariah law - not any old Muslim idea/cultural practice that's evolved since the 8th Century.

It's like Muslims saying prostitution and child pornography is enshrined in our constitution.

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Reply #71 - Mar 17^th, 2010 at 9:11am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 17^th, 2010 at 12:05am:

where do muslim countries rank ?
in the lowest percentile

Do they? You haven't been doing your Google search, SC.

You mustn't have heard of OPEC either.

Incidentally, the Lonely Planet published its list of the 5 most friendly countries to visit a few weeks ago.

I was suprised. Number one was Turkey.

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Reply #72 - Mar 17^th, 2010 at 12:50pm

Very High Human Development
Norway
Australia
Iceland
Canada
Ireland
Netherlands
Sweden
France
Switzerland
Japan
Luxembourg
Finland
United States
Austria
Spain
Denmark
Belgium
Italy
Liechtenstein
New Zealand
United Kingdom
Germany
Singapore
Hong Kong, China (SAR)
Greece
Korea (Republic of)
Israel
Andorra
Slovenia
Brunei Darussalam
Kuwait
Cyprus
Qatar
Portugal
United Arab Emirates
Czech Republic
Barbados
Malta

read it and weep islamic liar

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102615	Re: muslims push for sharia in auss Reply #73 - Mar 17^th, 2010 at 1:17pm Excellent work, SC. Thanks for posting some useful research.
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Paella Senior Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 290	Re: muslims push for sharia in auss Reply #74 - Mar 17^th, 2010 at 5:05pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 17^th, 2010 at 12:50pm: read it and weep islamic liar Two questions: 1. Who's supposed to be weeping? 2. Did you read it yourself? (I've still given up, but it made me laugh to see sprint posting stuff that contradicts his own position.)
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