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Reply #15 - Dec 10^th, 2009 at 11:30pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 10^th, 2009 at 10:53pm:

mozzaok - hahhahahahah what rot.

You would do well to stay out of this one sprint, because be honest, you could write what you know about this issue on the back of a postage stamp with a crayon.
You merely attach yourself to the denialist argument because you think that is what a classic right winger should do.

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Reply #16 - Dec 10^th, 2009 at 11:40pm

As for you mozzaok when an argument is brought to you, you have a raging rant because you cant comprehend a debate.

Grendel has not backed down or run away from any debate, he has defended his arguments and got the better of you.

When a challenge is put to you, you rage at it like a craven religous obsessed gullable nut, because you have no other choice, to defend the indefensible.

'Phoney petition', their credentials are 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialtie.

You're calling me a conspiracy theorist again. These arn't my claims. They are saying this at Copenhagen. The Copenhagen treaty says this. Here it is and have a read through.

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf

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Reply #17 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 7:33am

This scam from more than a decade ago, that was exposed as such more than a decade ago, and relegated to the ignominy it deserved a decade ago, may be news to you, because you only get your daily dose of nutty goodness from your various conspirinut sites, but to anyone with even the vaguest understanding of the "Debate", as you put it, would already know that.

Now the fact that the last little piggy went wee, wee , wee home, when after trumpeting the credentials of 31,000 significant scientific opinions, could not even provide 10, whose credentials, and opinions we could actually examine.

You see the real scientists explain their work, (yes they actually do work), they collect data, perform experiments, test theories, etc.
Meanwhile your brave band of imaginary friends have provided just what contribution to the knowledge base?

Grendel was not up to verifying his false claims about the credentials of this fake petition group, do you think you could do any better?

Give it a go, find 10 who have added anything relevant to our understanding of Climate Change.

You really need to check out the refutation of all the Denialist schtick, it has been done to death, which was why I berated Grendels integrity at the start, because he was provided with all the information about this scam many moons ago, but like all denialist goons, he just keeps repasting debunked lies over and over, to impress the dull and the lazy, who know no better.

Fair dinkum I do declare that Denialists are the hemorrhoids of the internet.

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Reply #18 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 7:50am

I'm sorry but you don't have fingers in your ears at all do you? Your head must be stuck up your ar5e.
How many times do people have to tell you?

This petition that Tom cited was presented to the US government.

Oh dear imagine that. Well known people presenting a fraudulent petition to a government who have the means to check every signature on it.

The only people calling it a fraud are the alarmists and we know from Climategate that this is just part of the recommended tactics to silence dissent. Seems it has worked in your case.

Yes the scientists that signed the petition work too Mozza.

Do get a life and stop being such a bigoted believer in a pseudo-religion.

As for haemorrhoids... you must have them on the brain. that must hurt.

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Reply #19 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:06am

LOL I never run away you liar...
and there are many many people on the NET who will back that up.

If you don't read the links don't be a lying hypocrite.

Oh and why do I have to do all the work for you. I've provided hundreds of links and names... yet another of your lies.

You like your mate Muso dismiss anyone ... out-of-hand regardless of their standing... who aren't lemmings like yourselves.

how's the Emperor Mozza... naked yet? Grin

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Reply #20 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:13am

Grendel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2009 at 5:40pm:

Ah... just since I was here and the denialists were making such pathetic attempts to dismiss 31,000 signatures.

http://www.aim.org/briefing/31000-signatures-prove-no-consensus-about-global-warming/

Robinson spoke about his petition signed by 31,000 U.S. scientists who reject the claims that “human release of greenhouse gases is damaging our climate.”

“World temperatures fluctuate all the time,” said Robinson. “The temperature of the Earth has risen many times, far more times than carbon dioxide could drive it. There is no experimental evidence that humans are changing the environment…”

Robinson said that people need to look at the facts, and realize that “correlation does not prove causality.” 31,000 scientists agree.

What boofy fails to mention is that list has been proven to have the names of dead people, accountants and even a porn star. Good list boof.

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Reply #21 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:19am

Oh dear Mozz factually wrong again...

Updated campaign

In October 2007 a number of individuals reported receiving a package of materials closely similar to the original Oregon Petition mailing.[24] As with the earlier version, it contained a six-paragraph covering note from Frederick Seitz along with a reply card and a supporting article. The text of the position, which as before is on the reply card, is identical to the previous petition. Below the text is a signature line, a set of tick boxes for the signatory to state their academic degree (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) and field, and another tick box stating "Please send more petition cards for me to distribute." This renewed distribution has continued until at least February 2008.

YES MOZZ IT SEEMS ALL SIGNATORIES DO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SIGNING AND THAT THE PETITION WAS RECENTLY (NOT 10 YEARS AGO) OPEN TO NEW SIGNATURES. ONE MORE STRIKE AND YOU ARE OUT!!!!!! AGAIN..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #22 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:23am

WELL WELL WELL STILL CANT GET MY NAME RIGHT EH SQUIPPY... THE GREAT GOD MUSO WILL BE ONTO YOU OR CONTINUE TO BE A HYPOCRITE. I'M BETTING ON THE LATTER.

WHICH NAME DID YOU SIGN IN AS? A PORN STAR?

THE POINT LOST ON YOU APPARENTLY IS THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF HAVE TRIED TO INVALIDATE THE PETITION BY DOING JUST THAT AND EVEN SO THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW SUCH INSTANCES.

I KNOW IF YOU BELIEVED IN THE PETITION YOU'D BE CRAPPING ON ENDLESSLY AND RUDELY HOW 3 DUD SIGNATURES IN NO WAY INVALIDATES 31000 SIGNATURES. Grin

HYPOCRITE!

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 31,000 signatures Reply #23 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:35am MOZZA'S 3RD STRIKE... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE
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skippy Ex Member	Re: 31,000 signatures Reply #24 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:40am [quoteI KNOW IF YOU BELIEVED IN THE PETITION YOU'D BE CRAPPING ON ENDLESSLY AND RUDELY HOW 3 DUD SIGNATURES IN NO WAY INVALIDATES 31000 SIGNATURES] [/quote] There's more than three dud signatures boofy, there's 31000 duds there old chum.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 31,000 signatures Reply #25 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 8:45am LOL PROOF DENIALISTS ARE BEYOND REASONED DEBATE. WELL DONE SKIPPY
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Reply #26 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 9:00am

lmao, So it is not the original Oregon Petition that was absolutely, and totally rejected as a mischievous fraud from 10 years ago, it is the new one from 2 yeaars ago, and just coincidentally, it happened to get exactly the same amount of signatures?

Brilliant work, totally trustworthy source, no doubt. Wink

But if I may be serious for a moment, is getting 31,000 signatures of a varied group of people whose credentials are having any degree, or diploma, in any field, is what 'REALLY' convinces you that the lies it is attached to are valid?

Does that mean if I collect 32,000 signatures from lawyers, doctor's vet's, accountants, etc which states man does significantly contribute to Global Warming, then you will accept that as valid evidence to support the case, and thereby switch to accepting the truth which the scientists have provided, but which you currently ignore?

I mean, you are the one proposing that this dubious document negates the combined work of thousands of scientists, and the collective opinion of millions or possibly billions, of people who do accept that mankind's actions are impacting on Climate Change, so could you let us in on what weight you apply to the opinions of these supposed 31,000, that you can expect us to believe that their 'supposed' opinions invalidate all other professional studies and evidence that is contradictory to their "opinion"?

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Reply #27 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 9:11am

All you have to do to convince me Mozz is get the scientific community to agree and for once and for all provide absolute proof that man-made CO2 emmissions are creating catastrophic global warming.

You make the claim... but NO PROOF HAS EVER BEEN CITED... ANYWHERE.

Even the organisations you cite that believe.... say it is LIKELY that MMCO2 is the cause of global warming.

LIKELY... hmmm.... seems they aren't sure eh Mozz?

Keep on denying... merry xmas.

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Reply #28 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 9:12am

Yes, It's the same old sad Oregon petition.

The figure of 9000 PhD's is incorrect. It's blogosphere hype. A significant proportion of the signatories are actually dead too:)

You could also get a 50% discount for the Washington denialist conference if you signed the petition. No checks on identity of qualifications needed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mgT-xJNFA

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1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 31,000 signatures Reply #29 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 9:16am There you go Mozz... absolution from the great God of denialism himself. His word is law.... ROTFLMAO
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