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Dec 14th, 2009 at 3:27pm
 

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ohn Maynard Keynes, accused of having
made an about-turn on monetary
policy during the Great Depression,
rather sensibly replied: ‘When the facts
change, I change my mind. What do you
do, sir?’
Four fundamental facts about global
warming have changed during the past
decade (as detailed below). But unfortunately,
far too few decision-makers and
the public are aware of the changes.
What do I know about global warming?
As a mathematician, I spent six years building
carbon-accounting models for the
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the fairly complicated one that measures
Australia’s compliance with the Kyoto Protocol
in ‘land-use change and forestry’.
When I started the job in 1999, the evidence
that carbon emissions caused
global warming looked pretty reasonable.
Not conclusive, admittedly, but the rami-
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could surely worry about that later.
The threat of global warming has been a
boon for many scientists and bureaucrats,
with enviably big research budgets, the
creation of lots of jobs, media attention,
power and status. On top of all that, helping
to save the planet feels pretty good!
But from 2003, evidence began to
emerge that seriously weakened the theory
that carbon emissions were the main
cause of global warming (which had, in
any case, stopped by 2001, as detailed
below). And by 2007 the evidence was
pretty conclusive: at best, carbon emissions
play a minor role.
Despite this, public policy and populist
sentiment haven’t changed since the late
1990s. For example, the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a
United Nations body established to assess
climate-change information, has resisted
even acknowledging the new evidence.
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of bureaucrats and conducts no research
or monitoring. Its landmark report last year
supposedly put an end to the debate. Perhaps
it’s no surprise that policymakers and
the general public aren’t aware of the
most basic salient facts.
What follows are the four fundamental
changes in the evidence about the causes
of global warming - changes that have
occurred slowly, but render much of the
debate about carbon emissions obsolete.
None of these facts is even controversial:
scientists who back the carbon-emissions
case usually don’t disagree with them;
they simply dispute their relevance.
1. THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE
Back in the late 1990s, the only evidence
to support the theory that carbon was
behind global warming came from analysis
of ice-core samples, collected between
1985 and 1998. This was pretty low-resolution
information, with the data points more
than a thousand years apart. However, it
appeared to show carbon dioxide and temperature
moving in lockstep. This seemed
too good to be true: apparently we could
alter the planet’s temperature simply by
adjusting the levels of a minor gas.
These old ice-core data are the only evidence
Al Gore presents in An Inconvenient
Truth to back the claim that carbon emissions
cause global warming. Yet, by the time
the movie was made, in 2005, newer data
had changed the picture considerably.
Higher-resolution ice-core data showed


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Reply #2 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 9:27am
 
Sounds like Dave Evans, the 'rocket scientist'  Grin . His pay cheque must have arrived and he had to write another spiel.
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Reply #3 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 10:19am
 

Land clearing, in particular tree cutting down causes massive climate change

there are too many people in the world.
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MARTIN Royds calls himself a carbon farmer. Twenty years ago the Braidwood cattle producer decided to develop regenerative farming practices, and in 2007 he was voted local carbon cocky of the year.

He says his winning carbon management practices include having 100 per cent groundcover all the time, using controlled grazing to ensure his pastures are never eaten down to the roots, growing trees on his land, and using biological products rather than synthetic fertilisers.

"You can see the difference," Mr Royds said.

Drought has hit his region of southern NSW and he has had to sell cattle.

"I have a lot of dry grass, where my neighbours have chewed down fairly close to the boards," he said. "I have less weeds and there are a lot of trees across the land."

After it rained, his native grass took off. "I went and hired a harvester and made a fortune harvesting native seed," he said.

Mr Royds said his soil carbon was increasing. He estimated it had grown from 1.5 per cent to 2 per cent, and he was aiming to reach 5 per cent. He would like to begin carbon trading.

"My goal is to get paid for building soil carbon," he said. "If we start doing that we fix all the problems. You fix the erosion problems, salinity problems."The Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists estimates Australia could store an additional 1000 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent each year in soil and plants.
"If Australia were to capture just 15 per cent of this capacity, it would offset the equivalent of 25 per cent of Australia's current annual greenhouse emissions for the next 40 years," the group says.

The Co-operative Research Centre for greenhouse gas technologies has been working on geosequestration -- the capture and storage of carbon dioxide from coal production. CRC chief Peter Cook said: "We are doing it on a small scale in Australia.

"We have injected 60,000 tonnes of CO2 over the last 18 months in the Otway Basin. It is staying down there. The technology does work."

Now that approach was needed on a "very much larger scale".

As long as people used fossil fuels "we have no alternative other than to put the CO2 in the ground", Mr Cook said.



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Reply #5 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 10:47am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 10:19am:
Land clearing, in particular tree cutting down causes massive climate change

there are too many people in the world.



Yes, about 30% of the total effect.

On the second post, yes a lot can be achieved by changing farming practices, but if we end up in a drought situation, all that good work is lost as the carbon tends to be volatilised from the soil.

However, if we could get all farmers in Australia to adopt that approach, we'd be in a much better situation, not only from the position of offsetting emissions, but also from the position of soil fertility.
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Reply #6 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:02am
 

ripping out all the mangroves around brisso has halted our afternoon subtropical downpours.

every mangrove used to put 60 litres of pure refined water into the air.
many 1000's of mangrove trees are no longer there.
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Reply #7 - Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:36am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:02am:
ripping out all the mangroves around brisso has halted our afternoon subtropical downpours.

every mangrove used to put 60 litres of pure refined water into the air.
many 1000's of mangrove trees are no longer there.



While I doubt if Mangrove destruction had that particular effect, they are certainly good as a habitat for mudcrabs etc.

They are good at turning salt water to fresh though, and do it much more efficiently than a desalination plant./
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AL Gore faced up to inconvenient truth of his own yesterday when it was revealed the former US Vice-President misquoted an eminent climate scientist's work to suggest that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

Mr Gore stated: "These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."

But the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was citing has rubbished these claims, a report in The Times says.

"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Dr Maslowski said. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."

Mr Gore's office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was an estimate Dr Maslowksi used several years ago in conversation with Mr Gore.


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This is the second embarrassing gaffe for Mr Gore in recent weeks. On December 4 Mr Gore was forced to cancel a 'golden handshake' speaking engagement at the conference in Copenhagen. Attendees were encouraged to part with $US1200 to meet the climate change spearhead and have their photograph taken with him.

Mr Gore's latest error came as hacked e-mails from a British University appeared to suggest that scientists had manipulated data to bolster their argument that humans were responsible for global warming.......


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Reply #9 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:48am
 
What do you expect? He's a politician, not a scientist.
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Reply #10 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:20pm
 
Perhaps that is the problem?
Gore being a politician, sees him looking to politics to save us from ourselves, but can we honestly expect politicians to succeed on the Climate Change Issue, when it is hard to think of any issue that politicians have ever solved, of their own volition.
Generally it is grass roots action from people that forces politicians to react to the controversy they create, when they highlight problems long ignored, but with such a strong denialist movement, countering so much of the work done by environmental groups, and concerned scientists and individuals, I do not think we have arrived at the point where politicians will be forced to act.

I sincerely hope I am wrong, and I wish we had a figurehead for Global Warming other than Al Gore, I wish we had someone that people could look to with pride and admiration, who could inspire people to demand that politicians stop fannying about and begin the work that needs to be done, but history teaches us that man is a dull and stupid creature who jumps at shadows, but ignores real danger until the last possible minute.

I am feeling very depressed about what I have seen come out of Copenhagen, and feel even greater resentment towards heavy polluters who have orchestrated the denialist campaign, which has mobilised crackpots around the world to the wrong cause.
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mozzaok wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
Perhaps that is the problem?
Gore being a politician, sees him looking to politics to save us from ourselves, but can we honestly expect politicians to succeed on the Climate Change Issue, when it is hard to think of any issue that politicians have ever solved, of their own volition.
Generally it is grass roots action from people that forces politicians to react to the controversy they create, when they highlight problems long ignored, but with such a strong denialist movement, countering so much of the work done by environmental groups, and concerned scientists and individuals, I do not think we have arrived at the point where politicians will be forced to act.

I sincerely hope I am wrong, and I wish we had a figurehead for Global Warming other than Al Gore, I wish we had someone that people could look to with pride and admiration, who could inspire people to demand that politicians stop fannying about and begin the work that needs to be done, but history teaches us that man is a dull and stupid creature who jumps at shadows, but ignores real danger until the last possible minute.

I am feeling very depressed about what I have seen come out of Copenhagen, and feel even greater resentment towards heavy polluters who have orchestrated the denialist campaign, which has mobilised crackpots around the world to the wrong cause.



Sorry Mozz but you sound increasingly like a Mohammedan conspiracy nut. AGW IS a Gore-y fantasy.  It takes a politician to talk up a minor greenhouse gas and plant food to apocalyptic levels. The man is a complete mutt. Rudd is a Tin-tin fantasist with a souce bottle up 'im.

Snap out of it, all of you.



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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:44pm
 
Is it Soy sauce? That effeminiate little sinophile wouldn't settle for something Aussie like BBQ sauce.
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Reply #13 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:48pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:44pm:
Is it Soy sauce?


Grab him by the scruff of the neck, give him a shake and see.

Fair dinkum.


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Reply #14 - Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:50pm
 

mozzaok - despite us being on completley 100% of the fence on this matter, on the important issue you have posted here I entirely agree.

I could not agree more.

Amazing isn't it ?
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