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Dec 10th, 2009 at 5:40pm
 
Ah...  just since I was here and the denialists were making such pathetic attempts to dismiss 31,000 signatures.

http://www.aim.org/briefing/31000-signatures-prove-no-consensus-about-global-warming/

Robinson spoke about his petition signed by 31,000 U.S. scientists who reject the claims that “human release of greenhouse gases is damaging our climate.” 

“World temperatures fluctuate all the time,” said Robinson. “The temperature of the Earth has risen many times, far more times than carbon dioxide could drive it. There is no experimental evidence that humans are changing the environment…”

Robinson said that people need to look at the facts, and realize that “correlation does not prove causality.” 31,000 scientists agree.
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Reply #1 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 6:37pm
 
Shame on you Grendel, you are very aware that Oregon Petition is a shameless fraud, and just another in the long line of Denialist lies.

I expected a higher standard of integrity from you, and that you would tror out such scurrilous propaganda yet again, after being made aware of how fraudulently that petition was organised, by misrepresenting itself to the people who did sign it, and by misrepresenting to others, who actually did sign it, and what their actual credentials are.

Do not forget to tell people to send for Robinson's invaluable self help kit for parents, on how to counter socialism in school.
You could also get the other great page turner from Robinson, his guide on how to survive nuclear war.

But far be it from me to label him a ridiculous character with bizzarre ideas and ideals, I will just provide a link to "SourceWatch", and you can read what they have to say about him, and his phony petition scam.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medic...

I will include just one sentence from their appraisal, for those like yourself, whose browsers seem only able to link to denialist sites;

" The OISM (Oregon Institute Of Science And Medicine) would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences."

So if you wish to join the ranks of conspirinuts who believe that global warming is all part of an elaborate left wing plot to create a New World Order(I am sorry to say this is not an attempt at humour by myself, but what these loonies actually believe), then you can go to any denialist website and cross swords with these intellectual giants.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

The following picture is not meant to resemble any known fruitcake masquerading as a serious scientist, any similiarities are purely coincidental.
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Reply #2 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 6:59pm
 
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=64734

More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.

"Mr. Gore's movie, asserting a 'consensus' and 'settled science' in agreement about human-caused global warming, conveyed the claims about human-caused global warming to ordinary movie goers and to public school children, to whom the film was widely distributed. Unfortunately, Mr. Gore's movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse," said project spokesman and founder Art Robinson. Robinson, a research professor of chemistry, co-founded the Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine with Linus Pauling in 1973, and later co-founded the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. He also publishes the Access to Energy newsletter.

"In a group of more than 30,000 people, there are many individuals with names similar or identical to other signatories, or to non-signatories – real or fictional. Opponents of the petition project sometimes use this statistical fact in efforts to discredit the project. For examples, Perry Mason and Michael Fox are scientists who have signed the petition – who happen also to have names identical to fictional or real non-scientists," the website said.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT GOOFY AND MICKEY ARE NAMES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED BY PEOPLE SHALL NOT IN AGREEMENT.  PEOPLE LIKE MUSO, SKIPPY OR MOZZA.
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Reply #3 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:05pm
 
NO SHAME ON YOU MOZZA for being ignorant or a liar or both.  Because the petition exists and is not a fraud.  You owe TOM a big apology.

The list of scientists includes 9,021 Ph.D.s, 6,961 at the master's level, 2,240 medical doctors and 12,850 carrying a bachelor of science or equivalent academic degree.


Your problem is you believe everything the alarmists say without question.  no brain engagement at any time.
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Reply #4 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:07pm
 
OH AND BTW MOZZ....  AND I'M TYPING THIS SLOWLY AND IN BIG LETTERS JUST FOR YOU.

THERE ARE MANY MANY MORE EMMINENT SCIENTISTS WHO HAVEN'T EVEN SIGNED THE PETITION WHO ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.

BUT YOU'VE ALREADY IGNORED DENIED AND BELITTLED THEM BEFORE HAVEN'T YOU.
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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:16pm
 
The Global Warming Petition Project, originally called the Oregon Petition, is a petition opposing the Kyoto protocols and similar efforts to mitigate climate change. It was organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM), a non-profit organisation run by Arthur B. Robinson, between 1999 and 2001 and was circulated again beginning in late 2007. During the former period the United States was negotiating with other countries on implementation of the protocol before the Bush administration withdrew from the process in 2001.[1] Former U.S. National Academy of Sciences President Frederick Seitz wrote a cover letter endorsing the petition.

The Global Warming Petition Project, or Oregon Petition, is the third, and by far the largest, of three prominent efforts to show that a scientific consensus does not exist on the subject of global warming, following the 1992 Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming, and the Leipzig Declaration. The petition site currently lists more than 31,000 signatories.

The text of the petition often is misrepresented. For example, until recently the petition's website stated that the petition's signatories "declare that global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever" and the British newspaper Daily Telegraph reported that the petition "denies that man is responsible for global warming."

YEAH WELL WE ALL KNOW HOW HONEST THE ALARMIST HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE.  CLIMATEGATE ANYONE?

THE POINT THIS PETITION AND OTHERS WERE CREATED TO PROVE WAS AND IS...  THAT NO SCIENTIFIC CONCENSUS EXISTS ON THE SUBJECT AS YET..... 

BUT WE ALL KNOW THE ALARMISTS ALL LIE WHEN THEY INSIST IT DOES.  LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE MOZZA.
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Reply #6 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:19pm
 
FEEL FREE TO AUDIT THE PETITION AND RING EVERYONE UP MOZZA...  GOOGLE DISSENT ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING OR CLIMATE CHANGE AND RING ALL THEM UP TOO. 

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU WILL FIND MANY MANY SCIENTISTS THAT DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU OR YOUR POSITION.

HENCE MOZZA...  THERE IS NO CONCENSUS.
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Reply #7 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:26pm
 
http://tadcronn.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/global-warming-31000-scientists-revisited/

In the wake of the recent revelation that more than 31,000 scientists signed a petition circulated by Dr. Arthur Robinson, director of the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine, stating that there is no scientific proof of global warming, liberals have been going absolutely bananas trying every excuse they can think of to make people believe that the petition is somehow bogus and Al Gore’s mythical “consensus” of 2,500 scientists is true.

The implication that these 31,000 aren’t “real” scientists. A) Yeah-huh, they are too! (Sorry to dumb that response down, but I’m addressing liberals here.) B) This survey was sent out to scientists, without an adjective, not just to “climate” scientists. It is notably easier to find “climate” scientists in your group of agenda supporters if, as in the case of the U.N., you’ve gone through the guest list and only invited “climate” scientists who you think support your agenda into the club. C) There was no requirement that in order to sign the petition, one must have specifically published research papers on global warming. But if the standard for getting involved in the global warming discussion is that one must be a “climate” scientist and have published his own research, then Al Gore better give back that Nobel prize and start refunding everyone who bought a ticket to his mockumentary.

Lindzen isn’t the only scientist to criticize the IPCC. Dr. Paul Reiter of the Pasteur Institute quit the IPCC because he and a colleague were “at loggerheads with persons who insisted on making authoritative pronouncements, although they had little or no knowledge of our specialty.”

IPCC member John Christy is also a known skeptic of the global warming orthodoxy, and has been distinguished by the honor of being publicly attacked by Al Gore for his troubles.

JunkScience.com’s Steven Milloy conducted a survey back in November of 345 U.S. scientists involved in the IPCC. From the 54 respondents to his survey, less then half believed that an increase of 1 degree Celsius in the global average temperature was undesirable. The rest said such a change was either desirable, desirable for some or too difficult to assess. About 14 percent said the ideal climate was cooler than at present. Most, 60 percent, said there was no such thing as an ideal climate!
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Reply #8 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:34pm
 
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/al_gore_global_warming/2008/05/19/97307.html

Despite Gore’s extravagant claims, the petition shows that no such consensus or settled science exists.

In 2001, OISM circulated what was known as the Oregon Petition, and according to Lawrence Solomon, executive director of Energy Probe and author of “The Deniers: The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud,” that effort, spearheaded by Dr. Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences and of Rockefeller University, gathered an astounding 17,800 signatures.


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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 7:37pm
 
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1648

The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine say they have a document signed by more than 31,000 scientists (including 9,000 PhD's) that says, " there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other 'greenhouse gasses' is causing, or will cause in the future, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

The petition represents a direct challenge to former Vice President Al Gore and his allies' contention that arrogantly claims, " an overwhelming number of scientists have determined that catastrophic manmade global warming is real and that any further debate over the science is pointless."

In other words, Gore says scientists who challenge the theory are members of the "Flat Earth Society." Based on the petition put together by the Oregon Institute, the "Flat Earth Society" has a lot of very prestigious members.

FEEL FREE TO APOLOGISE TO TOM ANYTIME YOU LIKE MOZZA.

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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:41pm
 
Shame on you again Grendel.

OK, seeing you have supposedly got 31,000 scientists having signed this position, (which we both know is an absolute lie in the form of a gross misrepresentation of the truth), it should be easy for you to list say 10, yes, just 10, scientists, who specialise in climate science, that signed this position, and agree that Global Warming is a scam, as you denialist people call it.

Be forewarned, the scientists who signed this because it was misrepresented to them what the petition was actually saying, and asked for their signatures to be removed, because they were lied to, and they most certainly did not agree with the thrust of the petition as it was presented, will obviously not be allowed to be counted, even though the deceitful people at the oregon institute may have ignored their request to remove their names from it.

So seeing you have 31,000, can you find 10 on that list who have any credentials in the field of climate science to call true deniers like yourself?

Maybe you could find 1 who has actually submitted a scientific study to a recognised scientific journal or institution, which outlines testable data to validate their denialism?
Just ONE scientist of any standing in the field who has actually done the work of collecting data to support their belief will do.

I won't hold my breath.

Maybe you could get me some theological pet advice from them though, I believe many good christian vets did heed the call from the pulpits of them confederate states, to try and help put those damned uppity yankee scientists back in their place, halleluha, praise the lord and pass the BS.
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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:53pm
 

mozzaok - hahhahahahah what rot.

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Reply #12 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:58pm
 
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It wasn't misrepresented Mozz...  you suppose they just signed a bit of blank paper and let whomever write whatever after?

many people...  not signatories disagree with you alarmists.

As for the rest of your ROT and YES it IS...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

grow up pull fingers out stop shouting and stomping and engage brain.
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Reply #13 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:59pm
 
Oh and don't forget to apologise to Tom.
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 11:17pm
 
Why on earth would I apologise to that (supply your own adjective to denote an extremely gullible obsessive who believes in conspirinut theories) Tom?

As for you, whenever a challenge is put to you, you run away from it like a craven denialist always will, because they have no othe choice, it is impossible to defend the indefensible.

So, if you feel that is unfair, then just list the 10 best people you can find from your phoney petition, and let us examine their credentials, and arguments that gives you such confidence in their opinions.

You won't of course will you kenny?

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