Quote:So you think a light smack, the same as what a child would receive is domestic violence? You're off your rocker. You might be able to push the point that it's humiliating to the lady to be treated like a child, and I agree, that's the intended purpose of it, to make her feel like a naughty child, who should grow up and stop acting immaturely. But to try and claim it is domestic violence is just ridiculous. Domestic violence actually needs to be violent, a disclipinary smack ISN'T violent, not in my definition of violence anyway.
You cannot physically discipline an adult without it being violent, especially if you are trying to discipline them for 'not behaving'. It's just not possible. It is violent subjugation.
Quote:Can you quote me on that Mr. Ventriloquist? Or just content throwing your voice my way, as you seem to be doing with ever increasing frequency?
This time I'm not going to let it slide, provide a quote, or apologise, you've done this one time too many times now freediver, without owning up like a man and admitting your error.
Sorry. Does Islam permit marital rape?
Quote:Yes Islam does place the husband in the position of authority in the family, and some women do have a problem with that, but there's actually a lot, surprisingly, who don't.
Likewise, in times of slavery, there are a lot of slaves who claim not to have a problem with slavery. They repeat the dominant propaganda that being fed and clothed and not having to think for yourself is a good thing and that what they give in return is fair. People tend to accept the reality they are given. But if you give those slaves and women freedom for a few years, they won't want to go back.
Quote:She is not a child, and she is a partner, but that doesn't mean the family should be deprived of leadership.
Yet you also claim she should be treated like a child. Partnership implies some level of equality, but under Islam the husband dominates the wife. That isn't partnership, that is servitude under physical oppression and humiliation.
Quote:If it doesn't stop at a light smack, then it's nothing to do with Islam
Not true. An ideology that permits domestic violence but draws some kind of arbitrary line must be responsible for the inevitable crossing of that line. you cannot tell men that it is acceptable to slap their wives but expect them to take it no further. That is why our society rejects all domestic violence. That is why what Islam permits is domestic violence. That is why this fruitloop from Melbourne was encouraging his followers to break the law.
Quote:In many relationships of course, one person does become the leader - through dominance or necessity - one being weaker than the other, but this is "usually" by mutual acceptance, although not in all cases. When a person is dominated against their will it is abuse.
Islam automatically gives the role of leader to the man, regardless of whether he is weak, strong, brutal or sadistic. It is not given through natural selection as is the case in many relationships. Although in an ideal relationship there is no leader, but a team.
Genuine teamwork does not involve leaders and followers, but leadership roles. Who is the leader at any given time depends on the situation. Thus when it comes to cooking, one partner may take charge, when it comes to finances, the other might, and so on. This happens naturally. This is the opposite of the institutionalisation of men as the dominant partner in a relationship. Islam basically cedes its authority to the barbarity of brute strength.
Quote:If my partner or husband had done similar when I "misbehaved", no doubt I would have been enraged at not only the humiliation but because he used his physical strength to exert dominance and control over me.
Exactly. That sort of thing is an abusive relationship between adults. There is no other spin you can place on it. It uses brute force and humiliation to put women in their place.
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