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Reply #120 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:59am
 
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Secondly, as has been stated enough times already, Islam does NOT permit a husband to hit his wife in any violent manner. It is purely a disclipinary smack. Anything beyond that is nothing to do with Islam.


Again Abu attempts to redefine violence as being anything otuside of what islam allows. Abu, if you hit your wife, it is violent. The fact that the violence is intended as disciple through humiliation does not mean it isn't violent.

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It's the same as it is  in Australian law, it's someone committing an act which is forbidden.


Wrong Abu, we do not define violence by what is legally allowed. Never have. We do not make our language an extension of our law.
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Reply #121 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 4:47pm
 
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It's the same as it is  in Australian law, it's someone committing an act which is forbidden.


Really, please tell me all about this Australian law. You can edumacate me.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #122 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:59am:
[quote]Wrong Abu, we do not define violence by what is legally allowed. Never have. We do not make our language an extension of our law.


that is completely incorrect on every level
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Reply #123 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:57pm
 
Could you expand on "this" please  Smiley
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Reply #124 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:04pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 2:23pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 11:59pm:
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 5:52pm:
I see islamaphobia as almost a subcategory of racism (as I have explained my definition of racism before)- hence my use of the descriptor is to communicate more effectively the specificity of my phd topic.





Do you see uncompromising hate of and contempt for communism as also a subcategory of racism? Unreserved hatee, fera, conteempt for fascism, capitalism, western liberal democracy?
All hate and fear and contempt are now thought crimes under the bizarre 'subcategory of racism'. And you are going to churn this and related absurdities for 120,000 words.


it's more about studying certain patterns of behaviour in society. australian society went through a big fear of communism whereby people would accuse others of being communist, behaviour that would otherwise be seen as unacceptable was excused under the guise of protecting the country from communism etc etc- the 'reds under the bed' period of time., and hate was excused as acceptable because of the 'threat of communism'.

and yes I also think that this is worthy of study, and people have studied it as well.

whether you label it as a subcategory of racism or not, it certainly fits within the definition of a moral panic.



So to say that communism, fascism and islamism are dangerous and toxic ideologies are to be so named and resisted are mere 'moral panic'?  There are no enemies of freedom, only misunderstood friends whose grievances we haven't yet addressed?


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Reply #125 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:06pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:59am:
[quote]Wrong Abu, we do not define violence by what is legally allowed. Never have. We do not make our language an extension of our law.


that is completely incorrect on every level


For example? Is boxing a 'non-violent' sport because it is not illegal?
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Reply #126 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2009 at 9:59am:
Wrong Abu, we do not define violence by what is legally allowed. Never have. We do not make our language an extension of our law.


you gave the example of boxing. yes boxing is a violent sport, but it is legal within the confines of it being a sport. without the sport affix it becomes illegal.

even within boxng there are rules and limits that constrict it


ahhhh I'm too distracted by how I met your mother to write this now

I'll come back to it
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Reply #127 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:43pm
 
It's just that "completely incorrect on every level" seems like such a strong way to put it, given that you also appear to be conceding I was right.
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Reply #128 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 12:33am
 
nope I'm not conceding- just coming back to it.

yes it was a strong statement- which simply reflects my frustration
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Reply #129 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 5:30am
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:21pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:11pm:
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I'll look that up tomorrow for you, however, there was a helpful section that said you could still have sex during post-natal bleeding.


Oh that's nice. I know there's nothing a new mother craves more after giving birth than sex. Although I don't see the point if she isn't going to get pregnant. Is it only permitted in cases where the offspring dies? Then again, Islam does have more of a 'man takes what he pleases' approach to relationships than other religions.


dude- did you read any of the links I posted? or try googling it? I've seen nothing supporting what calanen said, so your rant is really unsupported


Same section as from where I posted, in the Reliance of the Traveller. Surely you have his book, Ms PHD in training?
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Reply #130 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:39am
 
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yes it was a strong statement- which simply reflects my frustration


So it doesn't reflect reality?
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Reply #131 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 7:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:39am:
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yes it was a strong statement- which simply reflects my frustration


So it doesn't reflect reality?


Reality?

Why don't you tell us once again how anti-abortion groups in the west are not Christian based.

Cheesy:D:D
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Reply #132 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 10:04am
 
Again? I didn't say it the first time. You seem to be having trouble reading what people actually say.

Do Muslims support abortion?
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Reply #133 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 11:24am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2009 at 10:04am:
Again? I didn't say it the first time. You seem to be having trouble reading what people actually say.



Oh the irony.

Oh...don't bother asking anymore questions Fd...your a waste of time.
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Reply #134 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 12:08pm
 
Do Muslims support abortion?

Where did I say that anti-abortion groups in the west are not Christian based? You seem to be having great difficulty today comprehending what I actually post. I know it would be convenient for you if you could go around putting words into other people's mouths so you didn't have to think about what theya ctually said, but as you can see that gets you nowhere.
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