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Reply #105 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:16pm
 
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/43028

“It is essential to refrain from having intercourse with a menstruating women because doing so leads to an increase in the flow of menstrual blood, because the veins of the uterus are congested and prone to rupture, and get damaged easily; and the wall of the vagina is also susceptible to injury, so the likelihood of inflammation is increased, which leads to inflammation in the uterus and in the man’s penis, because of the irritation that occurs during intercourse. Having intercourse with a menstruating woman may also be off-putting to both the man and his wife, because of the presence and smell of blood, which may make the man impotent (i.e., uninterested in sex).

Dr. Muhammad al-Baar said, speaking of the harm that may be caused to the menstruating woman: The lining of the uterus is shed during menstruation, and the uterus is scarred as a result, just like when the skin is flayed. So it is vulnerable to bacteria and the introduction of the bacteria that are to be found at the tip of the penis poses a great danger to the uterus. 

Hence the penetration of the penis into the vagina at the time of menstruation is no more than the introduction of germs at a time when the body is unable to fight them.

Dr. al-Baar thinks that the harm is not limited to what he describes of the introduction of germs into the uterus and vagina which is difficult to treat, rather it also extends to other things, namely:
1.     The spread of infection to the fallopian tubes, which may then become blocked, which in turn may lead to infertility or ectopic pregnancy, which is the most dangerous kind of pregnancy.

2.     The spread of infection to the urethra, bladder and kidneys; diseases of the urinary tract are usually serious and chronic.

3.     Increase of germs in the menstrual blood, especially gonorrhea germs.

The menstruating woman is also in a physical and psychological state that is not conducive to intercourse, so if it takes place it will harm her a great deal and cause her pains during her period, as Dr. al-Baar said:

1.     Menstruation is accompanied by pains, the severity of which varies from one woman to another. Most women experience pains in the back and lower abdomen. For some women the pain is unbearable and has to be treated with medication and painkillers.

2.     Many woman suffer depression and stress during their period, especially at the beginning, and their mental and intellectual state is at the lowest level during menstruation.

3.     Some women suffer migraines just before their period starts, and the pain is severe and causes visual disturbances and vomiting.

4.     Women’s sexual desire decreases, and many woman have no interest at all in sex during their periods. The entire reproductive system is in a state that is akin to sickness, so intercourse at this time is not natural and serves no purpose, rather it can cause a great deal of harm.

5.     A woman’s temperature drops during menstruation, as does her pulse and blood pressure, which makes her feel dizzy, exhausted and lethargic.

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Reply #106 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:21pm
 
That is probably the three day thaing.
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Reply #107 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:21pm
 
http://www.submission.org/women/period.html

http://muslim.families.com/blog/sex-in-the-muslim-marriage

No Sex During Menstruation
Although a woman is not considered "dirty" during her menstrual period, she does have certain restrictions. For example, a menstruating woman is not allowed to have sexual intercourse. About this, the Koran says, "They ask you about menstruation; say, it is 'a kind of hurt'; so abstain from sexual intercourse with them until (their period expires and) they have purified themselves." (Al-Baqarah: 222)

This does not mean that a woman is isolated during her period. She is still allowed to share her husband's bed. The couple is still free to hug, kiss, cuddle, and express their love and desire in any way besides intercourse.

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Reply #108 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:22pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:21pm:
That is probably the three day thaing.


I don't think so- cause women's periods can last up to 10 days....or longer but usually that means there is a medical problem
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Reply #109 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:27pm
 
I can't believe what I'm reading.  Does the bible have all these instructions in it as to when to have sex and when not to?

Why do Muslims need instructions anyway?

And Abu if you're reading this - as you are a fairly recent convert to Islam - what would you have thought if you'd seen your father treating your mother this way and demanding sex whenever he needed it and then hitting her if she misbehaved?  Don't you find all this very unnatural?
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Reply #110 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:40pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:27pm:
I [quote]can't believe what I'm reading.  Does the bible have all these instructions in it as to when to have sex and when not to?


Not that it matters, but yes it does. OT.

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Because an infinitely divine being that is the creator of the entire universe cares deeply about whether and in what fashion the clothed apes on the Planet Terra in the Outer Spiral Arm of this particular galaxy, being one of billions, are having sex with their clothed ape wives, especially when she's bleeding, and in terms of cosmic outcomes, this is very very important to supreme beings. They keep a log of all this stuff that is very detailed.

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And Abu if you're reading this - as you are a fairly recent convert to Islam - what would you have thought if you'd seen your father treating your mother this way and demanding sex whenever he needed it and then hitting her if she misbehaved?  Don't you find all this very unnatural?


He says its a very light smack you would give a child, which is somewhat farcical. As two adults circle around a room with the husband giving his wife a light smack every now and again.
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Reply #111 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:11pm
 
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I'll look that up tomorrow for you, however, there was a helpful section that said you could still have sex during post-natal bleeding.


Oh that's nice. I know there's nothing a new mother craves more after giving birth than sex. Although I don't see the point if she isn't going to get pregnant. Is it only permitted in cases where the offspring dies? Then again, Islam does have more of a 'man takes what he pleases' approach to relationships than other religions.
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Reply #112 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:16pm
 

mantra - as far as I am aware, the new testament (ie christians) do not think that.
It is not in the NT therefore not applicable.

Jesus thought highly of the women in his life.
Though at that time they were 2nd class citizens.
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Reply #113 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:11pm:
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I'll look that up tomorrow for you, however, there was a helpful section that said you could still have sex during post-natal bleeding.


Oh that's nice. I know there's nothing a new mother craves more after giving birth than sex. Although I don't see the point if she isn't going to get pregnant. Is it only permitted in cases where the offspring dies? Then again, Islam does have more of a 'man takes what he pleases' approach to relationships than other religions.


dude- did you read any of the links I posted? or try googling it? I've seen nothing supporting what calanen said, so your rant is really unsupported
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Reply #114 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:25pm
 
gaybriel - thats an aspect, not a rant.

It's surprising you have not deleted it yet !!! It being critical of your islamic jihad
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Reply #115 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:40pm
 
lol- sprint it's been too long since we've caught up. how you doing? how's life?
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Reply #116 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:46pm
 
" muslim men allowed to rape wives"

Considering how "straight muslim" abu moderates I am not surprised that the rape is all they can do when it comes to such natural thing as sexual intercourse.
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Reply #117 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 4:04am
 
Mantra,

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I can't believe what I'm reading.  Does the bible have all these instructions in it as to when to have sex and when not to?


Yes it does. In fact the Jewish regulations relating to sex and marriage are much more restrictive than the Islamic ones. A Jewish woman is unclean and may not even sleep in the same bed with her  husband, she usually stays in an "Out House", she also isn't allowed to directly hand him anything, she must put it down before he picks it up.

Also I posted the NT text relating to a man having control over his wife's body, she has no authority over it, so it's completely up to him when he wishes to have sex with her... there's not even a restriction on menstruation, although in reality most of the OT restrictions still stood for the early Christians, it's only the modernists who've done away with them.

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Why do Muslims need instructions anyway?


Just relating  to the issue of sex during menstruation, many non-Muslims think this is quite acceptable, so obviously they do need instructions regarding it.

Mankind is misguided in many issues, and requires right guidance in order to regulate his life, that's what Islam is all about. As were all religions once upon a time... until they were just reduced to 'spiritual wisdoms'.

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And Abu if you're reading this - as you are a fairly recent convert to Islam


Actually I've been a Muslim for about 10 years now, I wouldn't exactly call that recent.

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what would you have thought if you'd seen your father treating your mother this way and demanding sex whenever he needed it and then hitting her if she misbehaved?  Don't you find all this very unnatural?


Firstly, it's not suitable for parents to involve their children in their sexual relationship, that's just bizarre that yo'd ask such a question.

Secondly, as has been stated enough times already, Islam does NOT permit a husband to hit his wife in any violent manner. It is purely a disclipinary smack. Anything beyond that is nothing to do with Islam. It's the same as it is  in Australian law, it's someone committing an act which is forbidden. Also, it is only a last resort, not merely for a little misbehaving, and all other avenues MUST have been exhausted first. It cannot just be used at any minor difficulty encountered as you seem to think.
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Reply #118 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 4:31am
 
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Also I posted the NT text relating to a man having control over his wife's body, she has no authority over it, so it's completely up to him when he wishes to have sex with her... there's not even a restriction on menstruation, although in reality most of the OT restrictions still stood for the early Christians, it's only the modernists who've done away with them.


I do wish you'd stop being so disingenuous.  You can't claim ignorance its already been explained to you several times.

Yet the lies persist ABU...
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Reply #119 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 5:09am
 
It quite clearly says she has no authority over her body, her husband has authority. There's very little ambiguity about that. About the best you could do to distance yourself from it, was to claim it was "a letter from Paul" not the words of Jesus (pbuh). Well I hate to break it to you, but most of the teachings of Christianity emanate from Paul, not from Jesus (pbuh), but being a Christian yourself, you should already know this right?
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