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Yes I do. It's in our constitution.

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Did they want to shoot people before the public outrage at the sheer amount of people being killed by the Victorian police? Yes, some of them like to shoot people.

Did you not look at the scene of the crime? The time of the crime? The weedy young kid?
Four fifth graders could've taken him out without even so much as a baton.
I don't need to physically put myself in that situation. I know, without a shadow of a doubt that I wouldn't have shot to kill.
But the Victorian police force are an arrogant trigger happy lot who want tasers as further testament to their rule over the general public.
Pretty soon they'll be indiscrimantly zapping people left right and centre just for kicks. I know them. A lot of them are absolute pigs.

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It is? What is in our constitution? Like you'd know.

And what do you care about our constitution. You are just part of the great spoiler jihad that criticises all of our institutions and beliefs to white ant it from the inside.

What a load of crap that four officers, without tasers, could have disarmed a guy armed with two knives. Someone could easily have gotten a knife in the throat trying to take him down. What training or experience do you have to say that? None I'd expect.

If you pull a knife on cops, then expect to die. If you'd like not to be shot by the police, then leave the knives and other weapons at home.

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I got to know them well enough as a kid when put through mental torture by them, and then being left high and dry for doing nothing more than the "right" thing. They cost me years of fear until I got old enough to be confident enough to protect myself without a weapon.

IMO they cease to be individuals as soon as they join the force. I can spot one in or out of uniform a mile away, and so could most people.

I didn't have much of an opinion on this case until I saw the scene of the crime and the kid involved. They seem weak as piss to me to choose the option of taking out the kid and having that on their conscience - if they have one.


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I'm saying that there's far better options than training officers to shoot to kill in every hairy situation. One or a few shots, with a net gun probably would've worked with having to get too close.
Yes I care about our rights being taken away.
Now go away and annoy some muslims.

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I can't believe you are still suggesting the police should have gone down that path. What sort of risk do you think the police should have taken? Do you think it is 100% certain that they could disarm him with a baton? Would you be happy with a 10% risk of death every time an officer encounters this situation? Maybe a 5%? You seem to be under the illusion that whatever training police recieve is going to guarantee them the ability to disarm a knife wielding maniac without injury to themselves. That is just absurd.

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Now your just being melodramatic. Of course the kid had problems. Should the police put their life at risk for every person with a problem?

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Most would not consider it unimaginable. I consider it perfectly reasonable. I would do the same myself. If you point a gun at someone and they keep coming towards you, you've got no choice but to pull the trigger. You don't pull a gun unless you are rpepared to use it, otherwise you just get yourself killed. I'm not sure what kind of fairytale world people think these cops work in.

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Hell no. He had a right to die. he certainly didn't have a right to pull out a knife and threaten to kill people with it. This was not a matter of justice, it was a matter of self defence.

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Crap.

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Don't you mean spiderman? Does batman have a netgun as well?

Shooting guns doesn't give you the ability to be able to kill someone. There are plenty of target shooting pacifists.

You don't have to have shot a gun to know in your heart you wouldn't have shot to kill.

However I think the police are trained to shoot to kill, it's their orders. I've heard stories though if there are multiple cops they will aim at kneecaps also, as long as someone is on the torso or head, but if they are taught that I don't know.

Don't give me this twat about Batman and magic fairyland Calanen.
And I didn't say that batons were the preferable option, I said that I could and would use a baton in preference to shooting to kill.
Believe me, I've been through the system (on the right side of the law) and they don't give a rats rosy ringhole about "individuals" on either side of the law.

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Do you seriously expect me to quote some condensed version of our constitution when even high court judges can't agree on it?
If you're such the expert, then you tell me our constitution, and I'll bet that I can find an argument which disagrees. But please use another thread.

OK, so you poo poo the idea of net guns. Then how about the dog squad?
They've been used very successfully in exactly this type of situation. The police knew the situation before arriving, so where was the dog squad?
I'll tell you where they were - they were resting in their kennels not very far away at all from the Northcote shopping centre.

"Tyler Cassidy was shot and killed by three officers in a skate park after allegedly threatening to kill them with two knives.

Ms Cassidy says her son was a fragile boy, a boy with needs and wants who needed protection.

She says she called police 30 minutes before the shooting and gave a description of her son's appearance, age and the direction he was heading in.

Ms Cassidy told police he was clearly distressed and asked to be phoned when he was found safely.

Tyler was believed to have been upset at the anniversary of the death of his father who died two years ago of cancer.

"He was surrounded and gunned down by four officers firing at least 6-7 shots," the statement said.

"An eyewitness confirmed Tyler patted her dog and was confronted by police and sprayed with capsicum foam, then pursued to the skate park, surrounded and hunted down."

Friends and family gathered at the scene of the killing today, one posting a sign saying: "Murder in the law is still murder."


From my (less dangerous) experience, I'd really hate to be that eyewitness. I really wouldn't expect to be hearing much more about that one!
The police and the system only put me in a 50% chance of personal harm as a 15yr old boy.
This eyewitness has a 99% chance of life destruction if she continues.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=696655

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24788737-2,00.html

Amadd wrote on Dec 13^th, 2008 at 11:58pm:


Hey you brought up Net Guns, not me. If Doc Holliday was there, he could have shot the knives out of his hands as well.

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What does that even mean? You went and watched court one day in the public gallery? You got called as a witness in a traffic accident.  What training or abilities do you have to say that this was the correct or preferable option? None.

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No you referenced the constitution, and then were called on why it backed your argument. But it was just the 'vibe' apparently, because you don't know.

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I am an expert. But I dont work for free.

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How do I know? Maybe they werent available.

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You dont know that, they might have been on an operation. Or no handlers were about. You wouldnt call the dog squad out unless they were needed to find someone usually. I imagine they went to the park expecting a 15 year old kid to be a bit stroppy, and then taken him into custody without a problem. I doubt they were expecting to be attacked with two carving knives.

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Boo hoo - so he gets to attack cops with knives because his dinky had a flat tyre. Things are rough all over.