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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #30 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 5:44pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 7:28am:

Yeah, something does have to be done. Parents need to be parents. If you want to filter the internet, it should be your responsibility, not that of the government.

I agree - this is what I said initially- but then it was pointed out to me that the fact is that many parents don't do this. many couldn't give a rats.

I think the filtering of adult material that individuals can opt out of is good for those kids who don't have caring parents

but I don't agree with the censoring of illegal material- esp as you can't opt out of that

it's a slippery slope

P.S. this is why we need a bill of rights!

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #31 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 6:02pm

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 5:44pm:

I agree - this is what I said initially- but then it was pointed out to me that the fact is that many parents don't do this. many couldn't give a rats.

I think the filtering of adult material that individuals can opt out of is good for those kids who don't have caring parents

It is not a bad idea, but it is actually unachievable from a technical viewpoint.

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 5:44pm:

but I don't agree with the censoring of illegal material- esp as you can't opt out of that

it's a slippery slope

P.S. this is why we need a bill of rights!

The problem I have is the government deciding what is suitable and not.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53190 At my desk.	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #32 - Oct 30^th, 2008 at 4:14pm It should be opt-in, not opt-out. You shouldn't have to register with the government to get something that is perfectly legal and none of their business.
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #33 - Dec 31^st, 2008 at 9:34am

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 16^th, 2008 at 11:45pm:

Whilst I agree it's not the best way to implement such a thing... something has really gotta be done. The fact that young kids can so easily be exposed to some of the filth on the internet is a real problem that has to be dealt with.

Or we risk the next generation of kids being really warped by the some of the stuff out there.

I agree to some extent. But you only need to install a filter on your own computer, not the whole internet! Net Nanny works fine to stop children looking at inappropriate content. The govt trying to filter the whole internet pipeline is like them pouring Bondi Beach through a sieve while everyone waits for their bag of sand. And wait they will....

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #34 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 4:35am It is a brave new world. Only an idiot would want the government to censor the internet. http://giveupinternet.com/2009/01/13/internet-censorship-a-good-explanation-of-i...
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #35 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 3:43pm The good news is that Xenophon stopped it. So no internetz filter for you K Rudd.
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Reply #36 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 11:29pm

That presentation that Mozz posted looked and sounded very "Zeitgeist-like". The narrator sounded the same, but his name is Andy Bouve'. Could be the same guy I suppose.

The government knows that what they're trying to do is a bit too unlawful to get away with atm. It's only a matter of time before they assume full control.
Who would've ever thought or accepted 50 years ago that cameras etc. would be watching and dictating to us every step of the way? That was just a science fiction novel by George Orwell called "1984".
Clever (western) worldwide marketing of BB has made him accepted as one of us, but he's the same evil fiend that he always was IMO. Off with his head!

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #37 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 5:43am

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Who would've ever thought or accepted 50 years ago that cameras etc. would be watching and dictating to us every step of the way? That was just a science fiction novel by George Orwell called "1984".

I actually agree with cameras in the streets. Too dangerous now without them. There are cameras in Hyde Park, and if you are assaulted the cops are there within a hot minute. If they werent there, they'd just find your corpse with a blade bent off in it.

Nobody has any reasonable expectation of privacy in a public street, and whether the police are watching with their own eyes, or a camera, no big deal.

Cameras in private homes, or back yards I am of course dead against. But nobody has a right to privacy in a public street.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #38 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:38am Yes Calanen, I agree, we accept surveillance cameras as a necessity for security, and I have no problem with them in public places, it is not like they are in your bedroom trying to impose morality laws, they are just for public safety.
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Reply #39 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 11:47am

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There are cameras in Hyde Park, and if you are assaulted the cops are there within a hot minute. If they werent there, they'd just find your corpse with a blade bent off in it.

Are you sure about that?
I think the case would be more like, they find your corpse with a blade bent off in it and then they review the video. They don't actually monitor every one of the 500,000+ surveillance cameras in the city of London all of the time.
There was a case the other day where a group of Somali thugs were filmed laying into person in a Melbourne subway. The cameras "apparently" helped to catch the purpetrators. They also gave a glimse of our immigration policies at work, but they didn't stop the attack from occurring. Nobody knew the attack had occurred until the next day.
Cameras don't change the nature of people - or do they? And if they do, do they change our nature for the better?
Personally, I don't really feel much love for this country anymore. I just want to take what I can get from it and take off, much the same as I'd feel about working at a job that I don't like. Is that wrong? Can I be fined for feeling that way?i

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #40 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 12:20pm

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I think the case would be more like, they find your corpse with a blade bent off in it and then they review the video. They don't actually monitor every one of the 500,000+ surveillance cameras in the city of London all of the time.

My office is not far from Hyde Park, and whenever there is trouble - the cops are there in a heartbeat because of the cameras. Sure if someone rushes over and stabs u, they cant get there in time. But normally there is a lead up to things as trouble starts.

They've even grabbed people who graffittieed there, that's how quick off the draw they are.

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Reply #41 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 1:50pm

Hyde park in Sydney?
Well I suppose they must sit there monitoring the park constantly. May as well have a copper at the scene patrolling, in the better interests of public safety.
The street cameras don't bother me too much, not as much as it'd bother somebody 50 years ago I suppose, but they're pretty much useless as regards preventing crimes. Cameras may deter some criminals from acting in a surveillance area, but they'll just commit their crime elsewhere or carry along a hood.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8156 Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #42 - Mar 18^th, 2009 at 7:51am a prohibited anti-abortion web page was removed from Whirlpool Who'd be pissed off about that?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8156 Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #43 - Mar 18^th, 2009 at 12:44pm Sprint or anyone else who wants to look at the prohibited web page to make own judgement just let me know and I sent you the link via PM so FD doesn't have to pay $11K fine.
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #44 - Mar 18^th, 2009 at 6:14pm

tallowood wrote on Mar 18^th, 2009 at 12:44pm:

Sprint or anyone else who wants to look at the prohibited web page to make own judgement just let me know and I sent you the link via PM so FD doesn't have to pay $11K fine.

1. The 11k fine is only if you refuse to remove the the link I believe.

2. The reason that site was banned was because some one complained about it as a social experiment to show easily thing would be added to the blacklist.

3. A list of banned sites in Denmark (via wikileaks) is now also on the blacklist.

4. If the law gets passed the blacklist will be reversed engineered and put on wikileaks and other places.

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