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Oct 16th, 2008 at 1:20pm
 
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1399635276
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Australians will be unable to opt-out of the government's pending Internet content filtering scheme, and will instead be placed on a watered-down blacklist, experts say.

Under the government's $125.8 million Plan for Cyber-Safety, users can switch between two blacklists which block content inappropriate for children, and a separate list which blocks illegal material.


This concerns me greatly.  I was already annoyed enough of having to opt out of the government fiddling with internet connection, but this too much.  Filtering technology is poor, has too many false positives, and will slow down my connection all to protect me from myself.  No thanks.

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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
Hooray for government protecting us from ourselves! Government interference is lovely!

Whichever politician it was who thought of this should be shot.
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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 1:45pm
 
Why don't they just go ahead and block illegal material by whatever means they can? Or just monitor it's use? Anyone who actually wants illegal material is going to be ahead of the government on this anyway. It's a matter for the police, not the bureaucrats.

There are plenty of free internet shields for children. They are probably much better than the government's. There is no need for the government to play babysitter.
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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 1:59pm
 
Sort of like gun control. Preemptively punish the law abiding majority. Isn't nice to be part of the stomped on citizenry. Angry
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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:02pm
 
I guess it is 'sort of' like gun control, in the same way it's 'sort of' like speed limits on the roads.
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Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:17pm
 
how very lame  Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:27pm
 
Well I certainly do not want to see the internet censored, and I would certainly prefer that they go after illegal sites, and shut them down individually.

I cannot help but wonder how much that this has to do with internet "piracy", rather than terrorism or pornography.

The government wants high speed broadband, the ISP's want it fast enough for media streaming, online media delivery is the next big market, and I cannot help but wonder if this is not the real agenda here.

Look forward to Fibre to the node, then VDSL2 , delivered via Cat5E, (good copper) to the home.
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Reply #7 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
My big problems are that:

* We can get around censorship anyway, if we wanted too.
* This will slow the internet down
* This will cost ISPs to implement and maintain, and prices will go up.

The blacklist/s will also hidden from ISPs, so they will not know what is in them, which means the Government could censor things that are not illegal, such is criticism of the Government.

Do you trust them to be honest?
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Reply #8 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:34pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:27pm:
Well I certainly do not want to see the internet censored, and I would certainly prefer that they go after illegal sites, and shut them down individually.


Easier said than done.

mozzaok wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:27pm:
I cannot help but wonder how much that this has to do with internet "piracy", rather than terrorism or pornography.


I believe the filtering will be primarily HTTP and HTTPS.
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Reply #9 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 3:02pm
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 11:45pm
 

Whilst I agree it's not the best way to implement such a thing... something has really gotta be done. The fact that young kids can so easily be exposed to some of the filth on the internet is a real problem that has to be dealt with.

Or we risk the next generation of kids being really warped by the some of the stuff out there.
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Reply #11 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 7:28am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 11:45pm:
Whilst I agree it's not the best way to implement such a thing... something has really gotta be done. The fact that young kids can so easily be exposed to some of the filth on the internet is a real problem that has to be dealt with.


Yeah, something does have to be done.  Parents need to be parents.  If you want to filter the internet, it should be your responsibility, not that of the government. 

The problems with this solution are:

  • It is easy to bypass
  • It only affects web content
  • It will degrade web content speeds
  • It will block sites it should, and not block all that it should
  • Still will not protect children from the larger dangers on the net
  • Increase the cost of internet access
  • Means you must trust the government not to abuse it's power


It is a feel-good move designed to make people think the government is doing something, even if it is ineffectual.  It goes further than protecting children and targets adult too.  If there was just one list, and it was opt-out, I'd have no issue other than the money wasted, but to enforce filtering on everyone is unacceptable.
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Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 9:32am
 

Agreed, the side effdects of it are probably going to outweigh any actual benefit. Also I remember a story at the time they began trialling it that it only took a teenager about half an hour to bypass it.

But I still think something has to be done. Obviously the old methods of merely screening the text content of a page, or accessing databases of registered inappropriate sites is just not sufficient.

I don't see why they can't develop something akin to OCR, but which can recognise an image as having sexual content, rather than words from images of text. Perhaps you're right though for now client-side filtering software is the best thing we have.
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Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 9:47am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17th, 2008 at 9:32am:
I don't see why they can't develop something akin to OCR, but which can recognise an image as having sexual content, rather than words from images of text. Perhaps you're right though for now client-side filtering software is the best thing we have.


It may possible to develop but right now computers are not good enough at pattern recognition to do this accurately, and get them good enough is a little way off yet.  Even if they were to process the number of requests in a timely fashion would present a difficult challenge.

The internet is just a reflection of generally affluent society around the world, and attempts to censor parts of it are doomed to fail, as they have in the past.
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Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 11:32am
 
It is not possible for a computer to distinguish a pornographic image from a medical one, or child porn from the photo of a proud parent. Even people have trouble telling the difference sometimes.
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