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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #15 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 4:14pm

freediver wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:32am:

It is not possible for a computer to distinguish a pornographic image from a medical one, or child porn from the photo of a proud parent. Even people have trouble telling the difference sometimes.

Neither it is possible for a user to quickly find a pornographic image without any sort of descriptive text because they use computers to do it.

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #16 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 2:05pm freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2008 at 2:02pm: I guess it is 'sort of' like gun control, in the same way it's 'sort of' like speed limits on the roads. I would have said that if cars had a mandatory limiter that stopped the car going over 110 kph, that would have been ' sort of ' like gun control.
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #17 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 2:49pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 4:14pm:

Neither it is possible for a user to quickly find a pornographic image without any sort of descriptive text because they use computers to do it.

I have found that it sometimes appears without looking for it. In any case a filter is extremely easy to bypass and wouldn't address newsgroups or P2P.

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #18 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:56am

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Under the scheme there will be two blacklists: one which blocks illegal material like child pornography; and another blacklist, referred to in a department press release, which blocks a list of material deemed unsuitable for children.

Users can opt out of the latter blacklist, but there is no opt-out for “illegal content”.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;879301684;fp;4194304;fpid;1

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #19 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 10:02am tallowood wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:56am: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;879301684;fp;4194304;fpid;1 Wow, the government already does not like criticism of solution. Scary
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #20 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:13pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 10:02am:

tallowood wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:56am:

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;879301684;fp;4194304;fpid;1

Wow, the government already does not like criticism of solution. Scary

Do you really think that that a policy advisor is the government and that bureaucrats have no right to express their opinions?

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #21 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:40pm If this measure takes out with it legal materials, that come under the banner of freedom of information, freedom of speech, etc., then it should be deemed unconstitutional. We deserve a referendum on this. But since when has that ever mattered?
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #22 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:47pm

Amadd wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

If this measure takes out with it legal materials, that come under the banner of freedom of information, freedom of speech, etc., then it should be deemed unconstitutional.
We deserve a referendum on this. But since when has that ever mattered?

Present Australian constitution does not guarantee The Freedom of Speech. In the past it was left to description of court I think.

May be should ask Aussie about that he says that he used to be a lawyer.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #23 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 9:41pm That might be an idea, but unfortunately our constitutional laws go into too many grey areas which even high court judges can't agree on. It'd be a shame for us all if this goes through and takes out legitimate web sites. Just another step closer to a dictatorship.
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #24 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 7:15am

tallowood wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:13pm:

Do you really think that that a policy advisor is the government and that bureaucrats have no right to express their opinions?

Conroy is a representative of the government, especially in this matter. He has every right to his opinion, of course - it is just the fact he believes that criticism of the government is irresponsible.

People and organisations should have every right to be critical of the government particularly when they are doing so on the basis of legitimate concern. The government should be addressing that concern, not trying to silence to criticism.

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #25 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 8:38pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 7:15am:

tallowood wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:13pm:

Do you really think that that a policy advisor is the government and that bureaucrats have no right to express their opinions?

Conroy is a representative of the government, especially in this matter. He has every right to his opinion, of course - it is just the fact he believes that criticism of the government is irresponsible.

People and organisations should have every right to be critical of the government particularly when they are doing so on the basis of legitimate concern. The government should be addressing that concern, not trying to silence to criticism.

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a policy advisor at Senator Conroy’s office had sent an e-mail to the Internet Industry Association (IIA) expressing concern that Internode’s Mark Newton, as an IIA member, was behaving “irresponsibly” with

Did a policy advisor threatened Mark Newton? With what?

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #26 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 12:17pm

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/10/27/1224955916155.html

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Family First Senator Steve Fielding wants hardcore pornography and fetish material blocked under the Government's plans to filter the internet, sparking renewed fears the censorship could be expanded well beyond "illegal material".

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A spokesman for Senator Xenophon said, should the filtering plan go ahead, he would look to use it to block Australians from accessing overseas online casino sites, which are illegal to run in Australia.

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The online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia expressed fears that the internet filters could be used as a bargaining chip every time the Government needed to pass a piece of important legislation.

This is exactly why this legislation shouldn't become law.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet Reply #27 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 7:17pm Well fancy that , a bible bashing bastard trying to impose his religious standards onto the whole community. Who would have thought it possible.
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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #28 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:05pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 12:17pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/10/27/1224955916155.html
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Family First Senator Steve Fielding wants hardcore pornography and fetish material blocked under the Government's plans to filter the internet, sparking renewed fears the censorship could be expanded well beyond "illegal material".

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A spokesman for Senator Xenophon said, should the filtering plan go ahead, he would look to use it to block Australians from accessing overseas online casino sites, which are illegal to run in Australia.

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The online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia expressed fears that the internet filters could be used as a bargaining chip every time the Government needed to pass a piece of important legislation.

This is exactly why this legislation shouldn't become law.

Similar consideration applies for any legislation that require support of minor parties or independents.

Anyway what religious atheists wankers want child pornography for?

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Re: No opt-out of filtered Internet
Reply #29 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 3:42pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:05pm:

Similar consideration applies for any legislation that require support of minor parties or independents.

Anyway what religious atheists wankers want child pornography for?

I do not disagree, however it shows how easily the filter can and would be abused.

Also, who wants child porn now?

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