Quote:Christians themselves, who are the majority, cannot even get their laws applied in their own countries, as neither can Muslims in their own countries, so the idea that Islam is a threat as it has laws is just ludicrous, that's my whole position here.
Abu, anyone who opposes freedom is a threat to freedom. Anyone who opposes democracy is a threat to democracy. Anyone who opposes human rights is a threat to human rights. All these things are fragile, and it is your argument that is ludicrous. The fact that Christians can't impliment what you think their law should be is irrelevant. Whether you oppose these things because it is part of a law that is part of your religion, or because you are racist, homophobic, or watever, is irrelevant. The fact is that you oppose them, and no amount of wrapping it up in cotton wool or impotence will change that. People are not going to ignore these things because of your gentle reassurances that you will fail.
Quote:Well there's a lot of people in Australia, who'd like to institute a lot of laws that are not in compliance with Australia's current legislation. I don't see too much hype about those people not being compatible with the "Australian way of life".
Again Abu, we do not criticise you merely because you want to change the law. It is what you want to change the laws to that brings criticism on you. This is little more than a series of infantile strawmen. You can address everything but the elephant in the room.
Quote:I do believe the Islamic Shari'ah to be perfect, and under a Caliphate of course they should be applied.
So what should a Muslim do if asked to bring judgement on someone before the caliphate overthrows the government? Should a Muslim refuse to play any role in law making, law enforcement or justice until they get their own version of a perfect government? What should a Muslim do if given a choice to impliment some aspects of shariah law?
Quote:Should they be transplanted into an Australian secular context? No, of course not. Any hype claiming Muslims are calling for this is fanciful at best.
Aren't Muslims asking for exactly this in many parts of the world - some kind of self governance under shariah law?
Quote:Britain has been implementing "Jewish law" alongside English law for over 70 years now (no hoohah about that)
Abu, your strawmen are just getting more and more absurd. We do not reject shariah law because it has foundations in religion. We reject it because it is barbaric. If Enland started stoning people to death for adultery or chopping limbs off as punishment or condoning rape or dismantling democracy, you might have something more than a strawman, but at the moment that is all you have. There is no shortage of hoohah in the west about the Jews.
Quote:I think you can quite clearly see there's an agenda behind all this.
Like what? Protecting freedom? Protecting democracy? Perhaps you think we made these things up just so we could bag on Muslims?
Quote:Similar stuff to this was discussed with fd for several years running now.
Can you link to a single previous example where you answered my question about the punishment for blasphemy? It's a tad hypocritical to complain about these discussions going on for years when it takes a few years to get a straight answer from you.
Quote:It leads nowhere
Not true. For example we recently got you to admit you support people getting stoned to death for saying the wrong thing about Muhammed.
Quote:except to him going off and taking things wildly out of context
Can you explain where I have taken something out of context? Should we only complain about people wanting to take away our democracy, freedom and human rights the night before they succeed?
Quote:thinking he's making some great contribution to exposing Islam or something. I'm sure that you can see why I find it tiresome.
So why do you go to such great lengths over many years to try to justify not answetring my questions in case your answers end up on the wiki? If you didn't try so hard to mislead people about Islam, there would be nothing to expose.
Quote:Whilst I like that you appreciate certain aspects of Shari'ah law, I am disappointed that you apparently don't realise Shari'ah law is a very complex law system. It is not merely a few physical punishments as we're led to believe in the West, it is a very detailed and comprehensive law system, which covers all aspects of the human condition....These kinds of things make up the vast bulk of Shari'ah law, yet the anti-Islamists are not interested in hearing about them.
So we should appreciate the detail and ignore the bits about stoning people to death?
Quote:Instead they just take a few physical punishments out of context
Are you suggesting that putting the barbaric parts of Islam into context will make them seem more benign?