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Reply #90 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:43pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:55am:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:07am:
it has its benefits but is not a one size fits all. Athletes cant do it without affecting performance and its dangerous for the obese. Its a way of maintaining weight but not a very good or healthy one. The Nazis had good success with it though. Any semi starvation diet is unhealthy. why on earth would anyone adopt a diet which starves the body of nutrients? Despite this, depriving the body of calories for many people will result in the body conserving calories which will hinder those attempting to lose weight.


We don't do it for weight loss. On non-fasting days  I eat a modified strict version of Atkins induction to control mild epilepsy without medication by maintaining ketosis. I haven't had any seizure activity in over 6 months.

well done, it works for you so good. Unfortunately we are seeing this fasting method being marketed by the weight loss industry as a way for the obese to sustain weight loss. What I point out is that most people already fast every night , thats why the first meal of the day is called break fast.
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Reply #91 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:47pm
 
Neferti wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.

Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy


Yes, I agree, lot of people getting sucked in by the fat free nonsense. Its a marketing trick based on nothing more than the emotional connection to the word "fat" in peoples minds in my opinion. If they marketed these foods as "lipids free"  which has the same meaning they wouldnt sell any of it.
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Reply #92 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:48pm
 
Neferti wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.


SO FEW OUT THERE DOING EITHER I FIND.. INCLUDING ME..



Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

SO TRUE AND I LOVE THOSE GREEN GRAPES.. AND THEY ARE THE WORST...I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION EVERYTHING I LIKE IS BAD EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS GOOD..



One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy





SUGAR TELLS YOUR BRAIN IT WANTS MORE..

how many of us stop at ONE timtam..one grape..one cherry....one choc square...it doesnt happen.....well not to me..
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Reply #93 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:52pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Neferti wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.

Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy


Yes, I agree, lot of people getting sucked in by the fat free nonsense. Its a marketing trick based on nothing more than the emotional connection to the word "fat" in peoples minds in my opinion. If they marketed these foods as "lipids free"  which has the same meaning they wouldnt sell any of it.



What we fail to acknowledge is we should still only eat  the serve qty....instead we think it means we can eat more because its got less fat in it...our brains are sucked into reading 25% LESS... and we eat 25% more.... SALT is another one...salt for me just normal salt that is.. makes it more satisfying...if its salt free..I am looking for more.




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Reply #94 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:01pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:52pm:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Neferti wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.

Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy


Yes, I agree, lot of people getting sucked in by the fat free nonsense. Its a marketing trick based on nothing more than the emotional connection to the word "fat" in peoples minds in my opinion. If they marketed these foods as "lipids free"  which has the same meaning they wouldnt sell any of it.



What we fail to acknowledge is we should still only eat  the serve qty....instead we think it means we can eat more because its got less fat in it...our brains are sucked into reading 25% LESS... and we eat 25% more.... SALT is another one...salt for me just normal salt that is.. makes it more satisfying...if its salt free..I am looking for more.




refiined carbohydrates  trick our minds and bodies into feeling hungry. ever walked past a bakery and suddenly felt the craving for something  sweet even though you may have just eaten? If they took all the sugar out of a chocolate donut, you wouldnt crave it or ever want to eat one. Thats why the food industry pours refined carbohydrates into every food they can, they know this. In the US as Neferti pointed out, its gone a lot further, they basically  put corn syrup into everything. if you took all the refined carbs out of everything you ate and then only ate when you were hungry and until you were full your body would self regulate. read nefertis posts on how she eats.
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Reply #95 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:10pm
 
Good posts one and all! Very interesting

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Reply #96 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:19pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Good posts one and all! Very interesting

Beer Gut Red  Smiley


It isn't a "beer gut" as such ... it is slack tummy muscles, plus being slack in exercise, eating the wrong things, plus no incentive (no young gorgeous blond females around). Typically, females use childbirth as an excuse for getting fat.
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Reply #97 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:29pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
cods wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:52pm:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Neferti wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.

Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy


Yes, I agree, lot of people getting sucked in by the fat free nonsense. Its a marketing trick based on nothing more than the emotional connection to the word "fat" in peoples minds in my opinion. If they marketed these foods as "lipids free"  which has the same meaning they wouldnt sell any of it.



What we fail to acknowledge is we should still only eat  the serve qty....instead we think it means we can eat more because its got less fat in it...our brains are sucked into reading 25% LESS... and we eat 25% more.... SALT is another one...salt for me just normal salt that is.. makes it more satisfying...if its salt free..I am looking for more.




refiined carbohydrates  trick our minds and bodies into feeling hungry. ever walked past a bakery and suddenly felt the craving for something  sweet even though you may have just eaten? If they took all the sugar out of a chocolate donut, you wouldnt crave it or ever want to eat one. Thats why the food industry pours refined carbohydrates into every food they can, they know this. In the US as Neferti pointed out, its gone a lot further, they basically  put corn syrup into everything. if you took all the refined carbs out of everything you ate and then only ate when you were hungry and until you were full your body would self regulate. read nefertis posts on how she eats.




you must acknowledge sugar substitutes as well..they are worse than the sugar...anything with ose..on the end of it..we are just waking up to frutose as the enemy.... and dont forget Ian what they have done to FOOD..and I dont mean just in the processing.. look at the growing..what they do to say tomatoes to get them all to ripen at the same time..same with being picked far too soon and kept in fridges..its wrong..

we over produce our soil...nothing even tastes like it once did let alone smell....

does anyone have any idea about black salt.. I have some from Iceland..real Iceland salt...is it used like just any old salt...?
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Reply #98 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:33pm
 
Something we agree on Cods, a lot of this supermarket stuff is grown in hydroponics, picked before its ripe and artifically ripened with ethylene? gas from memory. And how simple is it to grow real tomatoes in your own backyard.
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Reply #99 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:35pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:33pm:
Something we agree on Cods, a lot of this supermarket stuff is grown in hydroponics, picked before its ripe and artifically ripened with ethylene? gas from memory. And how simple is it to grow real tomatoes in your own backyard.



I always say the children of today are missing out on something so special....like walking into the house and smelling tomatoes or bananas...that mums just brought home...it gone......wont be long before they are spraying fake smell on everything...bah humbug.
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Reply #100 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:44pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:29pm:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
cods wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:52pm:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Neferti wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.

Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy


Yes, I agree, lot of people getting sucked in by the fat free nonsense. Its a marketing trick based on nothing more than the emotional connection to the word "fat" in peoples minds in my opinion. If they marketed these foods as "lipids free"  which has the same meaning they wouldnt sell any of it.



What we fail to acknowledge is we should still only eat  the serve qty....instead we think it means we can eat more because its got less fat in it...our brains are sucked into reading 25% LESS... and we eat 25% more.... SALT is another one...salt for me just normal salt that is.. makes it more satisfying...if its salt free..I am looking for more.




refiined carbohydrates  trick our minds and bodies into feeling hungry. ever walked past a bakery and suddenly felt the craving for something  sweet even though you may have just eaten? If they took all the sugar out of a chocolate donut, you wouldnt crave it or ever want to eat one. Thats why the food industry pours refined carbohydrates into every food they can, they know this. In the US as Neferti pointed out, its gone a lot further, they basically  put corn syrup into everything. if you took all the refined carbs out of everything you ate and then only ate when you were hungry and until you were full your body would self regulate. read nefertis posts on how she eats.




you must acknowledge sugar substitutes as well..they are worse than the sugar...anything with ose..on the end of it..we are just waking up to frutose as the enemy....


I use a lot of artificial sweeteners. I like Natvia because it's supposed to be more natural, but I will use Splenda or whatever is handy. My husband has made custard with sweeteners. I'm going to attempt to give up artificial sweeteners in the new year.


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Reply #101 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:52pm
 
stevia is 100 percent natural as far as I am aware.
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Reply #102 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:54pm
 
THERE’S NO DOUBT about it. Artificial sweeteners cause obesity.

I always thought it was funny to see a very large person order a Big Mac, large fries — and top it off with a Diet Coke. I also found it peculiar that I rarely saw thin people drinking diet sodas. So I began to wonder if there could be a link between diet beverages or artificial sweeteners and obesity. As I began to explore this notion, I discovered a number of different research findings that pointed to this very phenomenon.

First, our current obesity epidemic has coincided perfectly with the introduction of large amounts of artificial sweeteners into our food supply. Although we cannot say for sure that this means artificial sweeteners cause obesity, it certainly makes me wonder.

Next, a body of research indicates that just the thought or smell of food initiates a whole set of hormonal and physiologic responses that get the body ready for food. This is familiar to us from Pavlov’s dog experiment, where he trained dogs to salivate by associating the ringing of a bell with the presentation of food.

By doing this repeatedly, he eventually trained the dogs to salivate in anticipation of food simply by ringing the bell – without any food at all.

Think of diet sodas and artificial sweeteners as ringing the bell for your physiology. Today I will explain how that happens and review some of the research that indicates artificial sweeteners may not be all they are cracked up to be.

Ringing the bells in your body with artificial sweeteners is not a good thing. It’s even worse when you ring the bells with artificial sweeteners and then not provide any sugar. Here’s why …

Our brains know how to get our bodies ready for food. It is called the cephalic (for “head”) phase reflex. Your brain is preparing for food even before your fork or cup crosses your lips. This allows you to anticipate and prepare for the arrival of nutrients in your intestinal tract, improves the efficiency of how your nutrients are absorbed, and minimizes the degree to which food will disturb your natural hormonal balance and create weight gain.

So, in a way, your body is already preparing to regulate your energy balance, metabolism, weight, calorie burning, and many other things – just by thinking about food. Any sweet taste will signal your body that calories are on the way and trigger a whole set of hormonal and metabolic responses to get ready for those calories.

When you trick your body and feed it non-nutritive or non-caloric sweeteners, like aspartame, acesulfame, saccharin, sucralose, or even natural sweeteners like stevia, it gets confused. And research supports this.



Read the rest here:

http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-you...
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Reply #103 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 3:54pm:
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First, our current obesity epidemic has coincided perfectly with the introduction of large amounts of artificial sweeteners into our food supply. Although we cannot say for sure that this means artificial sweeteners cause obesity, it certainly makes me wonder.

Good article, I have some problems with this claim though, its incorrect. Artifical sweeteners were introduced after the obesity epidemic was recognised.
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Reply #104 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 4:07pm
 
Yes you probably are right...just something I came across
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