AiA wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:05am:


You're making it up on the run now.

AiA wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:05am:


Something in the dyes, preservatives, and artificial flavouring chemicals in our Supermarket foods is lowering or damaging the immune system.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:11am:


That, in my mind, hits the nail squarely on the head.

Prior to probably the 1930s, various types of cancer would probably have gone undiagnosed as a cause of death.
I'm thinking of various blood cancers, brain tumours and others not immediately recognisable without post mortem.
Therefore, can we rely much on long term statistics relating to deaths from cancer?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:08pm:


We won't get stats.

My grandparents and great-grandparents ate what they liked.  Good wholesome food.  Some very fatty foods too.  I remember my mother telling me that her father used to love dripping on toast.  Gross, but they weren't obese, didn't have heart problems and had very long lives.

Society dictates how manufacturers perform.  For instance, society will blame NOT their lack of culinary discipline on their obesity but they will blame the copious amounts of Coke they drink per day and the sugar content therein.  So what happens?

We get swamped with sugar free products that are probably many,many times more chemically harmful than the sugar itself.

They build apartment complexes, schools and houses on the sites of old gasworks then try to kill the litigious proceedings by denying that cancer clusters exist.  Take a walk around Olympic Park and in certain sections that are usually cordoned off you will see toxic sludge bubbling up through the ground.

Will they ever admit they got it wrong?  I highly doubt it.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:36pm:


Have you tried it? I still eat it on bread or fry bread in it, especially lamb roast dripping but bacon dripping is good too.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:11am:


Gees Herbert you are sounding like a tree hugging hippy.

"artificial" and "chemicals" are emotive words that the paranoid like to use to criticize modern food practices. Modern food is much safer than it used to be. Typhoid, salmonella and many of the "natural" parasites that used to be present in our food is no longer there thanks to modern processing.

Those children who died drinking raw milk are a classic example of this.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm:


If you had really taken the time to understand this theory (Take the number of cells in an organ, identify what percentage of them are long-lived stem cells, and determine how many times the stem cells divide. With every division, there’s a risk of a cancer-causing mutation in a daughter cell) you would have seen 1) it is contrary to what you have posted previously about genetics being responsible for most illness or lack of illness and 2) Cancer may be bad luck, but smokers, diabetics, the obese, those who don't sleep enough, etc. are unquestionably running out of luck more rapidly.

This theory suggests there is a relationship between risk of cancer and number of cell divisions. But it says nothing about the proportion of cancers due to cell division.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm:


Which means that there are still 35% of cancers due to inherited genes and lifestyle.
So lifestyle improvements will still REDUCE your risk of getting cancer