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Reply #75 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:29am
 
AiA wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:19am:
what is a "starvation diet?"


A diet consisting of lower calories in than you do calories out.
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Reply #76 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:35am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:29am:
AiA wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:19am:
what is a "starvation diet?"


A diet consisting of lower calories in than you do calories out.


Hmm ... have you tried "intermittent fasting?"  It promotes autophagy, fat loss, and other good things.
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Reply #77 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:51am
 
AiA wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:35am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:29am:
AiA wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:19am:
what is a "starvation diet?"


A diet consisting of lower calories in than you do calories out.


Hmm ... have you tried "intermittent fasting?"  It promotes autophagy, fat loss, and other good things.


Partially. I eat a small meal/sandwich before a 4 hour shift. Then during my break, I'll eat another small meal before I do the other part of my 4 hour shift. I have gone bike riding to the shops, and not eaten anything for a few hours. Then the hunger pangs take over, and I have to ride home. One time, I just about embarrassingly fell off my bike, because the shakes were taking effect. Other times, I make it home and have to raid the fridge for anything I can quickly consume. But that was back in the day when I would fast in that unorthodox way, and actually had some success with weight loss.
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Reply #78 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:00am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:51am:
AiA wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:35am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:29am:
AiA wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:19am:
what is a "starvation diet?"


A diet consisting of lower calories in than you do calories out.


Hmm ... have you tried "intermittent fasting?"  It promotes autophagy, fat loss, and other good things.


Partially. I eat a small meal/sandwich before a 4 hour shift. Then during my break, I'll eat another small meal before I do the other part of my 4 hour shift. I have gone bike riding to the shops, and not eaten anything for a few hours. Then the hunger pangs take over, and I have to ride home. One time, I just about embarrassingly fell off my bike, because the shakes were taking effect. Other times, I make it home and have to raid the fridge for anything I can quickly consume. But that was back in the day when I would fast in that unorthodox way, and actually had some success with weight loss.


Art deVany is a big proponent of intermittent fasting.  Read his stuff.  There is also a website called Free the Animal.  If you can wade through the politics, etc it is a gold mine.  Search for resistant starch there and read those posts.
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Reply #79 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 5:41am
 

Intermittent fasting seems to be the rage these days, usually 5 and 2. Eat normal (not pigging out) for five days then cut your kj intake right down for two days. I just don't think it's good for your body, but everyone to their own. I know people that do it and swear by it, my doctor hands out brochures to his patients, so he mustn't think it's unhealthy.
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Reply #80 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 5:46am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 5:41am:
Intermittent fasting seems to be the rage these days, usually 5 and 2. Eat normal (not pigging out) for five days then cut your kj intake right down for two days. I just don't think it's good for your body, but everyone to their own. I know people that do it and swear by it, my doctor hands out brochures to his patients, so he mustn't think it's unhealthy.


Yeah, that 5 - 2 cadence seems to be popular but I have never tried it.  I just usually only eat one meal (dinner) T-F and don't eat at all on Mondays and on the weekends eat two meals.  Works for me.  Not sure why you would think it unhealthy however. 
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Reply #81 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:57am
 
We do 36 hour 5:2 fasting.
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Reply #82 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:05am
 
Many religions have some kind of fasting incorporated into them, so it is hardly a new fad.
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Reply #83 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:07am
 
it has its benefits but is not a one size fits all. Athletes cant do it without affecting performance and its dangerous for the obese. Its a way of maintaining weight but not a very good or healthy one. The Nazis had good success with it though. Any semi starvation diet is unhealthy. why on earth would anyone adopt a diet which starves the body of nutrients? Despite this, depriving the body of calories for many people will result in the body conserving calories which will hinder those attempting to lose weight.
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Reply #84 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:55am
 
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:07am:
it has its benefits but is not a one size fits all. Athletes cant do it without affecting performance and its dangerous for the obese. Its a way of maintaining weight but not a very good or healthy one. The Nazis had good success with it though. Any semi starvation diet is unhealthy. why on earth would anyone adopt a diet which starves the body of nutrients? Despite this, depriving the body of calories for many people will result in the body conserving calories which will hinder those attempting to lose weight.


We don't do it for weight loss. On non-fasting days  I eat a modified strict version of Atkins induction to control mild epilepsy without medication by maintaining ketosis. I haven't had any seizure activity in over 6 months.
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Reply #85 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 11:18am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:55am:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:07am:
it has its benefits but is not a one size fits all. Athletes cant do it without affecting performance and its dangerous for the obese. Its a way of maintaining weight but not a very good or healthy one. The Nazis had good success with it though. Any semi starvation diet is unhealthy. why on earth would anyone adopt a diet which starves the body of nutrients? Despite this, depriving the body of calories for many people will result in the body conserving calories which will hinder those attempting to lose weight.


We don't do it for weight loss. On non-fasting days  I eat a modified strict version of Atkins induction to control mild epilepsy without medication by maintaining ketosis. I haven't had any seizure activity in over 6 months.


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Reply #86 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:33pm
 
I've never been one to put on weight.... a starved rat as a kid... fit and running up to eighteen hours a day and going flat out for years......  still toting up at 87kg and 6'1" at 65.

Wouldn't know the first thing about dieting or needing to...
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Reply #87 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:49pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 4:29pm:
the only thing which makes us fat are carbohydrates, even exercise isnt strictly neccassary to control weight.


Correct.

Who laughs more: Fat people or skinny people?

Exactly.

It's fat people who shudder with laughter most of the day, while the anorexic ones stand around looking like morgue attendants.

I'm half way to becoming fat - which is my ultimate goal. As I find myself laughing a little more each day, I know my strict regimen of fast food and lack of exercise is paying off.

I've even noticed myself getting envious glances in the street as I heave my increasing bulk down the road towards the local MacDonalds for another Big Mac with fries.

One of the secrets to a happy life is not to worry about your weight. Being comfortable within yourself is what really matters, and to hell with the fad diets and the gays down at the gym trying to look good for one another.

And incidentally, the poor suckers who I used to see pounding the pavements in their lunch break all those 30 years ago are today semi-cripples from all sorts of joint and compacted vertebrae problems ~ and I knew at the time this would be their eventual fate.

Faddish wankers who today are reaping the reward for their trendy nonsense.




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Reply #88 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 1:57pm
 
... wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 11:18am:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:55am:
ian wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:07am:
it has its benefits but is not a one size fits all. Athletes cant do it without affecting performance and its dangerous for the obese. Its a way of maintaining weight but not a very good or healthy one. The Nazis had good success with it though. Any semi starvation diet is unhealthy. why on earth would anyone adopt a diet which starves the body of nutrients? Despite this, depriving the body of calories for many people will result in the body conserving calories which will hinder those attempting to lose weight.


We don't do it for weight loss. On non-fasting days  I eat a modified strict version of Atkins induction to control mild epilepsy without medication by maintaining ketosis. I haven't had any seizure activity in over 6 months.


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I trust you're being genuinely supportive.
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Reply #89 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 2:24pm
 
You should eat less and it is normal to also sleep less as you age.  One should not eat more or sleep more after retirement.  Tongue

Jogging is bad for your health/bones/hips and feet at any age and should not be done. Walking is fine.

Fruit is full of  "natural" sugar and should be avoided in large quantities. Veggies are fine, especially the green ones.

One reason the Americans are so obese and Australia is following suit, is because of the introduction of No (or low) Fat/No Carbohydrates in their food .... replaced by corn syrup.   I read that if you check the container of, say, yoghurt that states is is 95% fat free you check the sugar content and it states it is 28g divide that by 4 and you have 7 teaspoons of sugar.

No wonder everyone is getting fatter ....  Cheesy


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