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Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture
Reply #30 - May 3^rd, 2008 at 12:34pm

People who assimilate into our Aussie culture

Speak English with an Australian accent.
Understand strine.
Have an aversion to elitism and egotism.
Know what "a fair go" means.
Understand the Australian love of sport.
Put Australia and Australians before any other nation or nationality.
Are patriotic but don't show it.

Seems to me the administrator has a poor understanding of History and is just trying to inflame others who dissent from his/her pov, with racist taunts and negativism.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53234 At my desk.	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #31 - May 5^th, 2008 at 9:27am So for an older immigrant who cannot drop a foreign accent, it is impossible to assimilate?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #32 - May 5^th, 2008 at 1:46pm If you define "assimilate" as being totally Australian, unrecognisable as anything else.
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Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture
Reply #33 - May 5^th, 2008 at 4:47pm

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2008 at 12:34pm:

Put Australia and Australians before any other nation or nationality.

What about religion? What if ethnicity is mixed up in religion (AKA Jews).

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Are patriotic but don't show it.

I guess I should stop taking out my umbrella with the Australian flag then.

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Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture
Reply #34 - May 5^th, 2008 at 5:14pm

Grendel wrote on May 5^th, 2008 at 1:46pm:

If you define "assimilate" as being totally Australian, unrecognisable as anything else.

What if you can still recognise someone as northern European, or Greek, or African? Acceptance of other cultures is part of Australian culture. That is why we eat dim sims.

Assimilation and homogenisation are not the same thing. It is pressure to homogenise that many people came to Australia to escape. Just about everyone who expresses concern about assimilation really wants some form of homogenisation, but they are the ones who do not understand Australian culture. They are the ones trying to import those parts of European culture that were detested by their ancestors. They are the ones trying to undermine Australian culture.

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Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture
Reply #35 - May 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm

Blasko bought an umbrella to prove his/her patriotism... I don't think someone who doesn't believe there is an Australian culture would do that. (But perhaps someone unassimilated to the culture would.)

As for AKA Jews how about AKA Muslims? Islam is not merely a religion. What is your point apart from creating strawmen?

Everyone is unique admin, you cannot homogenise them. They can however assimilate into a culture or way of life. You do know that as you wrote they are not the same. Therefore we agree it seems.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53234 At my desk.	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #36 - May 7^th, 2008 at 3:07pm So what do you want from assimilation then?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #37 - May 7^th, 2008 at 3:13pm Obviously you are assuming something there admin.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53234 At my desk.	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #38 - May 7^th, 2008 at 3:15pm So asking an open question reveals an assumption? Please explain how that works. What am I assuming? Or you could just answer the question.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #39 - May 7^th, 2008 at 3:38pm You are pretty nervy and rude for an administrator. I am answering the topic. I didn't say I favoured assimilation. Your question assumes I do. Why else would you ask what I want from it?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53234 At my desk.	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #40 - May 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm Do you favour assimilation?
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Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture
Reply #41 - May 7^th, 2008 at 3:59pm

Grendel wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

Blasko bought an umbrella to prove his/her patriotism...

I'm a man, thanks.

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I don't think someone who doesn't believe there is an Australian culture would do that. (But perhaps someone unassimilated to the culture would.)

I don't need to prove my patriotism to you. I have an umbrella as opposed to little flags on cars. So what?
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As for AKA Jews how about AKA Muslims? Islam is not merely a religion. What is your point apart from creating strawmen?

Firstly, you said that a person who had assimilated into Australian culture put Australia and Australians before any other nation and nationality. Those are easy options. I'd say the majority of immigrants who consider themselves Australians put Australia before any other country.

Why not ask an assimilated person to put nation before religion? For example, Jains aren't allowed to kill anything or anyone. If it comes to a war, they'll stay out of it. Doesn't that seem ludicrous to you? If they were truly assimilated Australians, they would put nation before religion wouldn't they?

Secondly, my point is that some people consider ethnicity to be integral to their lives. Jews for example. If they feel more Jewish than Australian, so what?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #42 - May 7^th, 2008 at 4:01pm No. But given the choice between Multiculturalism and Assimilation I would.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53234 At my desk.	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #43 - May 7^th, 2008 at 4:10pm What form of assimilation would you choose over multiculturalism?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: People who assimilate into our Aussie culture Reply #44 - May 7^th, 2008 at 7:27pm What forms do you have on offer? Or are you unaware Australia has already had 3 forms of settlement policy?
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