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« Created by: DILLIGAF on: Sep 6th, 2008 at 9:45pm »

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What would you prefer
Sep 6th, 2008 at 9:45pm
 
So what would you prefer? Freedom, monoculture and prosperity under us 'rednecks'   or
Opression, Islamic multiculturism and a stone age life under extreme islam?
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Reply #1 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 10:14am
 
I don't usually associate monoculture with freedom.
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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 12:46pm
 
WHY NOT?
AGAINST YOUR MORONIC BELIEFS FD?

The Tragedy of Multiculturalism
Augusto Zimmermann, July 2004


Multiculturalism, an idea that started out in the sixties and early seventies, initially had the reasonable goal of including minority groups in Western societies. Nowadays, however, it is difficult to talk candidly about the idea, since the multicultural project has become nothing but an aggressive ideology against the religious and moral values of Western societies. Multiculturalism is not just the fair understanding of other cultures, but also an ideological project for the deconstruction of Western civilization.

When cultural relativists demand the utilization of public money to indoctrinate homosexuality as a morally acceptable behaviour, the hidden truth about multiculturalism is automatically revealed. According to Irving Kristal, multi-culturalism is currently “propagated on college campuses by a coalition of nationalist-racist blacks, radical feminists, gays and lesbians, and a handful of aspiring demagogues who claim to represent various ethnic minorities. This coalition’s multi-culturalism is an ideology whose educational program is subordinated to a political program, that is, above all, anti-American and Anti-Western. What these radicals blandly call multiculturalism is as much ‘a war against the West’ as Nazism and Stalinism ever were”.1      

Rather than a fair debate on the merits of different cultures, radical multiculturalists falsely sustain the completely absurd premise that all cultures are equal in value. In practice, such relativism of values has generated not only the increase of criminal behaviour and pornography in the West, but also a form of apartheid that causes nations to fragment into enclaves of ethnicity.

According to Roger Scruton, people gain nothing from the amorphous atmosphere of multiculturalism “save bewilderment and the loss of any sense of cultural identity. If they come from immigrant backgrounds that preserve the memory of a religious law, they will often revert to a religious experience of membership, and define themselves in opposition to the territorial jurisdiction by which they are ostensibly governed”.2   

The pretence of tolerance that is postulated by multiculturalists has existed only for multiculturalists themselves. After all, they are the first to support the suppression of any criticism of culture and moral values. A paradox of multiculturalism is precisely that such tolerance towards different cultures and moral behaviour has completely polluted the democratic environment of Western societies with racial suspicion and ideological closed-mindedness. To be ‘tolerant’ in a so-called ‘multicultural society’ is basically to support anti-democratic legislation against freedom of speech. And so, any serious debate on moral values is automatically censored out of public debate, for the one who does not agree with cultural (and moral) relativism is brought to the judicial system and cowardly accused of ‘racism’, ‘sexism’, ‘homophobia’, and so on.

Multiculturalists who demand respect for all cultures tend to exhibit a blatant disrespect for the Western one. Above all, most multiculturalists are moral relativists who do not admit that culture and religion produce either a democratic society or oppression against minority groups in non-democratic ones; for democracy is as much a cultural achievement as it is a legal one. In brief, democracy cannot be legally imposed; it depends on cultural values transmitted to citizens from generation to generation.

If popular elections were held in certain countries, they could even facilitate the coming to power of fanatical groups appealing to indigenous ethnic and religious loyalties that would be likely be against the rights of women and minority groups.3  To a greater extent, democracy is nothing but a matter of culture, since it depends on certain values of freedom and equality that may be intolerable to peoples living under cultures that are not able to accept them.

Ultimately, democracy rests on the capacity of a certain culture to recognize basic rights of human beings. In explaining why democracy is not just a matter of legal design, the great liberal John Stuart Mill observed that certain cultures might be incompatible with democracy. As he put it, it would be unrealistic to believe that all cultures agree with democratic values, or that societies might not decide to create ‘insurmountable obstacles’ for the realization of democratic government.4 

Generally speaking, legal-democratic frameworks do not produce forbearance when cultural patterns of behaviour are too violent to accept the moral implications of democracy. As Lord Bryce commented, “not less than any other form of government does democracy need to cherish individual liberty. It is like oxygen in the air, a life-giving spirit. Political liberty will have seen one of its fairest fruits wither on the bough if that spirit should decline”.5  For instance, democracy flourished in the West because the Judeo-Christian culture accepts freedom of choice and allows the legal system to reflect the equality of souls in the eyes of God.6  Yet even in the West, democracy may not persist if the culture and religion that gave birth to it are abandoned.

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Reply #3 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 1:01pm
 
PT 2

A recent survey conducted by Freedom House, an organization that promotes democracy and human rights in the world, has shown that the most democratic countries in the world consist of majority-Protestant populations. In contrast, Islam and Marxism, the latter a secular religion, constitute the most serious obstacles to democracy and human rights. In fact, the denial of the broadest range of rights comes exactly from Marxist and majority-Muslim countries. The worst nine violators of human rights are Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Turkmenistan, and the one-party Marxist regimes of Cuba and North Korea.7  If there is not a single democracy amongst Marxist and Islamic nations, there must be something about Islam and Marxism that is clearly anti-democratic.8

The survey conducted by Freedom House shows the comparative advantage of Christianity for democracy and the protection of human rights to flourish. However, the same survey goes on to indicate that both these values are rare in the Islamic world. According to Bassam Tibi, a Muslim Professor of Islamic Studies at Geottigen University, ‘human right’ is an utterly strange value for Islam.9  The individual does not exist in Islam because this religion makes no distinction between individual, society and state. As Lord Bryce put it, Islam is indeed “a State no less than it is a Church”.10  Actually, Islam means the absolute submission of the individual to Allah; it is a kind of spiritual surrender that kills human freedom by absorbing the individual spirit into the homogeneity of its totalitarian creed. While Lord Bryce portrayed democracy as demanding “a spirit of liberty relatively respectful of individuals”, Islam, according to the Saudi’s King Fahd, is a “complete constitution of social and economic laws, and a system of government and justice”.11

In contrast to Islam, the Judeo-Christian ethos has democratized political manners in the West. For the French philosopher Montesquieu, “the Christian religion is a stranger to mere despotic power. The mildness so frequently recommended in the Gospel is ultimately incompatible with despotic rage with which a prince punishes his subjects, and exercises himself in cruelty”. Montesquieu concluded: “How admirable this religion, which, while it seems only to have in view the felicity of the other life, constitutes its own happiness! ... We owe to Christianity, in government a certain political law, and in war a certain law of nations; benefits which human nature can never sufficiently acknowledge”.12

In reality, cultural relativists who enjoy the extraordinary benefits of living in a democratic society based on the religious ethos of Christianity, but cannot recognise the importance of this religious ethos for the protection of their own legal rights, are, in Montesquieu’s words, “like savage beasts that growl and bite the chain which prevents them flying at those who come near them”.

Montesquieu, the great philosopher and ‘father’ of modern legal sociology, concluded that one who lives in a Christian society such as Australia but nonetheless hates the religion of Christianity could be compared with a “terrible animal who perceives his liberty only when he tears this in pieces, and when he devours it”.13

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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 4:24pm
 
How could any decent person not be repulsed by that ridiculous postulation Grendel.

It is no more than an extreme Christian diatribe that your god is better than theirs.
How moronic indeed.

No wonder you struggle to mount any rational arguments, their are none to be found when your sole basis is competition between religious beliefs as your argument.
Congrats, this is the silliest cut and paste ever, from the cut and past king.
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OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 5:12pm
 
Welcome to my parlour...

Just thought I'd toss it in to get the rabid anti-Christians going Mozz.... (ITS ONE POV), not as extreme as your environmental position nor as ridiculous as fd's on just about everything.

I don't agree with it totally, but it does contain some facts and points worth considering.  Oh and it does touch on the topic.

BTW, I would suspect that Mr Zimmerman was Jewish.  Ah multiculti... ya gotta love it.

A few points..

The worst nine violators of human rights are Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Turkmenistan, and the one-party Marxist regimes of Cuba and North Korea.  

Now that is pretty factual.  Where do you disagree?

If there is not a single democracy amongst Marxist and Islamic nations, there must be something about Islam and Marxism that is clearly anti-democratic

Clearly the point re democracy and Muslims holds true in many instances, even within the last 12 months here in Australia we had calls against DEMOCRACY from so-called Australian Muslims.

In reality, cultural relativists who enjoy the extraordinary benefits of living in a democratic society based on the religious ethos of Christianity, but cannot recognise the importance of this religious ethos for the protection of their own legal rights, .

And that is borne out by those (anti-religious) of the progressive Left time and time again.

Multiculturalism is not just the fair understanding of other cultures, but also an ideological project for the deconstruction of Western civilization.


At one time you could probably get away with calling that fanciful or extremist, but in todays world it can't be so easily dismissed.

Rather than a fair debate on the merits of different cultures, radical multiculturalists falsely sustain the completely absurd premise that all cultures are equal in value. In practice, such relativism of values has generated not only the increase of criminal behaviour and pornography in the West, but also a form of apartheid that causes nations to fragment into enclaves of ethnicity.

Are all cultures equal Mozz?

Are their ethnic crimes squads due to increases in crime specifically related to ethnic groups?
Do we have cultural enclaves?
Hint; YES.

The pretence of tolerance that is postulated by multiculturalists has existed only for multiculturalists themselves.

That's another YES BTW.

To be ‘tolerant’ in a so-called ‘multicultural society’ is basically to support anti-democratic legislation against freedom of speech. And so, any serious debate on moral values is automatically censored out of public debate,

Ah another YES.
I can hear those shouts of RACIST! now.

Multiculturalists who demand respect for all cultures tend to exhibit a blatant disrespect for the Western one.

YEP.... seen it, heard it...  so often it is nauseating.

Next time try to ignore the bias of the writer and look for the truth eh.

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