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Reply #375 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:47am

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:39am:

Do you have any evidence that I do not respect your culture? While you can not use your own culture to replace "Australia culture".

What did I do like you? Did I ask you to back to England like you asked me? Am I against to learn English?

The truth is I respect to your culture but you do not respect my culture at the same time.

And the biggest problem is you attempt to use your own culture to replace "Australia culture" while you culture is only a part of "Australia culture".

The fact that you think all anglo's are the same is proof enough. Australian culture is not English. I am not English and my family is not from England either. I have not tried to replace Australian culture at all.

I will respect Chinese culture when visiting China. I will respect people whatever their skin colour or facial features. But I do not have to respect Chinese culture in my own country. Australia is not China. If you come here and keep living like a Chinaman, then you are not respecting Australian Culture.

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Reply #376 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:00pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:47am:

I will respect Chinese culture when visiting China. I will respect people whatever their skin colour or facial features. But I do not have to respect Chinese culture in my own country. Australia is not China. If you come here and keep living like a Chinaman, then you are not respecting Australian Culture.

Indeed.

Bowen, why come all the way here to play at being a Chinaman or whatever?

Your task is to fit in, not to stick out. Your individuality is repected, your group identity is not. So quit going on about your group identity. Australians are not interested in creating a fragmented, tribalised society.

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Reply #377 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:33pm

Ha, you do not same for the violence and racism of you. And you blame that I point out the dark history is unrespecting your culture?

Do you think your culture is that violence to Aborigines and the sinful "White Australia Policy"?

And I tell you again and again. Australia is not only your country but my Country too.

If you do not understand, It's your problem.

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:47am:

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The fact that you think all anglo's are the same is proof enough. Australian culture is not English. I am not English and my family is not from England either. I have not tried to replace Australian culture at all.

I will respect Chinese culture when visiting China. I will respect people whatever their skin colour or facial features. But I do not have to respect Chinese culture in my own country. Australia is not China. If you come here and keep living like a Chinaman, then you are not respecting Australian Culture.

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Reply #378 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:38pm

No one want to change Australia to be China.

We are living in a multicultural society. I respect your culture and you should respect my culture too.

You can not say "you need to live in my culture". No. You can live in your culture. I can live in my culture too. The only thing both of us need to follow is the law.

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:47am:

I will respect Chinese culture when visiting China. I will respect people whatever their skin colour or facial features. But I do not have to respect Chinese culture in my own country. Australia is not China. If you come here and keep living like a Chinaman, then you are not respecting Australian Culture.

Indeed.

Bowen, why come all the way here to play at being a Chinaman or whatever?

Your task is to fit in, not to stick out. Your individuality is repected, your group identity is not. So quit going on about your group identity. Australians are not interested in creating a fragmented, tribalised society.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why? Reply #379 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:02pm Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:38pm: No one want to change Australia to be China. No. You just want to force 20 million australians to speak chinese so that you feel more welcome. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Reply #380 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:02pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:38pm:

No one want to change Australia to be China.

We are living in a multicultural society. I respect your culture and you should respect my culture too.

You can not say "you need to live in my culture". No. You can live in your culture. I can live in my culture too. The only thing both of us need to follow is the law.

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:47am:

I will respect Chinese culture when visiting China. I will respect people whatever their skin colour or facial features. But I do not have to respect Chinese culture in my own country. Australia is not China. If you come here and keep living like a Chinaman, then you are not respecting Australian Culture.

Indeed.

Bowen, why come all the way here to play at being a Chinaman or whatever?

Your task is to fit in, not to stick out. Your individuality is repected, your group identity is not. So quit going on about your group identity. Australians are not interested in creating a fragmented, tribalised society.

And who decided this? You? The Chinese? When did the people born here get kept out of the debate on how this nation is run?

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Reply #381 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:26pm

Bowen wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:38pm:

When I say "I am a Chinese", It's about race just like you say "I am an Anglo-Saxon".

When I said "I am an Australian", It's about my citizenship. It's same to you say "I am an Australian"

I have the same rights with you to "say what is or isnt what should or shouldnt be Australian"

Australia is not only yours but also mine.

BTW, I speak English here is to communicate. If you understand Chinese and hard to understand my English, I can speak Chinese.

mutation wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 6:48pm:

Bowen wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 6:32am:

If you want to absorb the good parts of different culture. You have to keep them at first.

Multiculturalism protect different cultures in Australia just like keeping a color palette that you can try to generate any color.

What is national & cultural identity when you real respect Freedom of Religions?

I'm a Chinese, and I'm Australian citizen too. I have different culture than you. So what? What do you want to tag me another "national & cultural identity"?

You can keep your "national & cultural identity" in your home. But it's nothing in public political space. Don't you think we are equal even we have different "national & cultural identity"?

Multiculturalism is to protect freedom of cultures that it protect all Australian have equal rights to live here no matter what "national & cultural identity".

mutation wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 12:35am:

Surely if we are on the "Human Rights" bandwagon Freedom FROM religion must be in there as well!
"Why not can we absorb the good parts and avoid the bad part from different cultures?"
Quiet simply because the parrallel existence of multiple cultures in a "Multicultural" society means it is no longer the option of the host culture to pick and choose the good and bad from the invasive cultures. Add that to the fact that some cultures simply have nothing to offer and their very presence poses a threat
You right you cant in the internet age avoid cultural intercommunication but you can sure as hell limit it in the physical world!
Multiculturalism is NOT to protect freedom of cultures it is a device used by certain political groups to undermine and or dilute national & cultural identity because they see it as a threat!

Any chance your future response could be in English? Moving on!

You said "I'm a Chinese, and I'm Australian citizen too." You may be a citizen but you are not Australian! By your own admission "I'm a Chinese" that says it all you identify as Chinese you think Chinese you seem to type Chinese Do you really think your qualified to say what is or isnt what should or shouldnt be Australian?

Having a right and deserving it are two different things!

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Reply #382 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:28pm

Bowen wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 10:13pm:

1969? Australia was still under the sinful "White Australia Policy". To be honest I can not totally understand why some one believe the skin color make difference. And it was the shame of Australia.

Fortunately, It's 2012 today. "Australian-ness" is changing while more and more people come to Australia with different cultures. Different cultures are mixing all over the world.

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Bowen wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:38pm:

When I say "I am a Chinese", It's about race just like you say "I am an Anglo-Saxon".

When I said "I am an Australian", It's about my citizenship. It's same to you say "I am an Australian"

'Australian-ness' is not just a legal category, even though it is that too. No Australian was an 'Australian citizen' before 1969.

Sinful because it excluded those who shouldnt be here! Utter crap!

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Reply #383 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:31pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 8:15am:

If you go to China, you will find there are so many elements from western world. Look at Beijing and Shanghai. Do you think they are classical Chinese Cities? No, they are modern western cities at least for the structure and views. There are at least 23 millions registered Christians in China. More than the number of Christians are not registered.

The English letters showed at the public area of Chinese cities are far more than the Chinese letters in Australia. Every Chinese children learn English from primary school to university.

The main problem is what you said is because of your ignorance. Any conclusion should be based on the truth not your own imagine.

Australia is an immigrant Country. Your forefather was immigrant too. You always forget this important point. Everyone have rights to immigrate to Australia as you no matter their race or culture. Australia is not only your country.

When you think Australia is a white country, you are an obvious racist already.

Thats funny a Chinese calling someone who has allowed them into their country a racist! I bet your would love your daughters married to a black man!

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Reply #384 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:34pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 8:27am:

As the new project of Fed government, to learn a secondary language.

Every Chinese children learn English. Why not you learn some Chinese?

Many western people in China do not understand Chinese especially 10 years ago.

Chinese do not hesitate to communicate with them in English on the road side in China.

Why not you can do the similar thing?

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 7:54am:

Where we could talk to the stranger in the street and not only did he know English (or to be more correct, he spoke bloody Australian), but also understood what was being said as in the names and things being talking about.

Simple because i have no need to communicate with them and no desire to ! Interesting how the self proclaimed "Australian Citizen" immediatly defends the Chinese over the Australians. Yep your a real Ozzie!

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Reply #385 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:42pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 9:00am:

1, Chinese is the "Aborigines" in China for thousands of year. You always ignore the truth that most of people except Aborigines are immigrant in Australia. Both you and me. When you said "China is Chinese's country". The corresponding conclusion is "Australia is Aborigines' country".

2, Chinese is not a pure nation but a mix of many nations. The culture of Chinese is the mix of multiple-cultures in the past thousands years. Do you know there are Jew living in China hundreds years ago? Because Chinese never have segregation. Most of them have yellow skin and black eyes today. but their pedigree can track to their Jew forefather.

3, China allow any religions.

I never said I agree with the immigrants who do not respect the law of Australia. If what you against is breaking law, is violence. I will be with you. However, you can not extend to the culture difference.

As an immigrant, I respect the law but I do not follow the culture in your home.

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Thank you thats precisely why you are not an Australian and should not be a citizen!

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Reply #386 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:47pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:34am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 10:46am:

I will keep contributing to Australia. And I expect the deserved respect to my culture (Actually my own culture is mixed by Chinese classical culture and western culture.) equally at the same time.

This is the problem. "Deserved respect" mentality. You want your Chinese culture respected, but you have no respect for Australian Culture. In fact, most of your arguments so far have been basically against the idea of Australian Culture altogether. You have consistently argued that Australia is just an immigration nation with many cultures, and that there is nothing that is distinctively Australian. However, some of us remember this place before the 21 century, and can see the circular reasoning happening here. Your entire argument is that now that there is enough immigrants here who haven't assimilated to Australian culture, there is therefore now no Australian culture to assimilate to but just a pot of different cultures. Bullshit. There is an Australian culture, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Precisely and because he isnt even able to acknowledge it he can never hope to be part of it. Yes he can engineer a bridge we drive over but he doesnt have any understanding of what "Australian" means and with that attitude never will!
Mind you plenty of white Anglo Australians dont either!

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Reply #387 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:52pm

What you said is obviously racialism.

Living in my favorite culture is my human rights.

And I am Australian citizen which is not decided by you.

mutation wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:42pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 9:00am:

1, Chinese is the "Aborigines" in China for thousands of year. You always ignore the truth that most of people except Aborigines are immigrant in Australia. Both you and me. When you said "China is Chinese's country". The corresponding conclusion is "Australia is Aborigines' country".

2, Chinese is not a pure nation but a mix of many nations. The culture of Chinese is the mix of multiple-cultures in the past thousands years. Do you know there are Jew living in China hundreds years ago? Because Chinese never have segregation. Most of them have yellow skin and black eyes today. but their pedigree can track to their Jew forefather.

3, China allow any religions.

I never said I agree with the immigrants who do not respect the law of Australia. If what you against is breaking law, is violence. I will be with you. However, you can not extend to the culture difference.

As an immigrant, I respect the law but I do not follow the culture in your home.

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Thank you thats precisely why you are not an Australian and should not be a citizen!

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Reply #388 - Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:54pm

Both Anglo Australian and Chinese Australian are Australian.

You can not say, Anglo Australian is Australian, Chinese Australian is not Australian.

How absurd you are?

mutation wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:34am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 10:46am:

I will keep contributing to Australia. And I expect the deserved respect to my culture (Actually my own culture is mixed by Chinese classical culture and western culture.) equally at the same time.

This is the problem. "Deserved respect" mentality. You want your Chinese culture respected, but you have no respect for Australian Culture. In fact, most of your arguments so far have been basically against the idea of Australian Culture altogether. You have consistently argued that Australia is just an immigration nation with many cultures, and that there is nothing that is distinctively Australian. However, some of us remember this place before the 21 century, and can see the circular reasoning happening here. Your entire argument is that now that there is enough immigrants here who haven't assimilated to Australian culture, there is therefore now no Australian culture to assimilate to but just a pot of different cultures. Bullshit. There is an Australian culture, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Precisely and because he isnt even able to acknowledge it he can never hope to be part of it. Yes he can engineer a bridge we drive over but he doesnt have any understanding of what "Australian" means and with that attitude never will!
Mind you plenty of white Anglo Australians dont either!

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