My 2 cents on the Muslim problem ...

* Stop Muslim immigration

INTEGRATION

* Visual integration (get rid of all the "marks of separation" that reinforce the march of Islam i.e. headscarfs, veils, Muslim beards, bedsheet couture, mosque architecture). We need to relegate Islam to the status of other religions i.e. an invisible personal faith. With an invisible and ill-defined community, the jihadists will have less encouragement. Expand it to other religions too - ban overt displays of religion. And foreign appearance freaks people out too (with respect to the beauty of each within its own kind), particularly the elderley - they often find it tiring to deal with diversity.

* Linguistic integration (no foreign languages spoken in public, written on shops, disseminated in public service material, no foreign music). Language is another "mark of separation". And I think there is something about the Arab language that is uniquely irritating and incompatible to English-speaking folk - the sounds are nauseating (with respect to the beauty of each within its own kind). Give the folks some years notice before enforcement.

The above two points might only need to be enforced for people born after the date the legislation is enforced. So if Muslims want to have kids, they'll know the strict rules they will be born into. But maybe let the old folk keep their garb and language until they die out.

* Conceptual integration (ban parts of the Koran that preach hate, violence, sharia, etc).

Basically, Australians want Muslims to get the hell out of their face (visual integration), speak our language, and knock-off the hatred and takeover-mentality.

SEPARATION

* If integration proves impossible due to their exploding population, no-go zones, and violence, then we have to separate ourselves from Islam somehow. So pay them to leave, ban them from having kids, whatever it takes to compassionately halt their numbers.

There is no way mutliculturalism will work, it will just drive the wedge between us even further. Invisible Islam, or no Islam.

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How do you say people cannot grow beards or not wear headscarfes? I have a beard and my girlfriend likes to wear head scarfes from time to time? Who is to say what we can or cannot wear or how we shave or keep our hair?

The only way I see to achieve what you describe here is to deny rights to people based on their faith, how do you define that? How do you stop it just going underground? Most of all, do you want to live in that kind of society because it doesn't sound very Australian to me?

You may be right about language, english should be learned, but I do find it interesting the way in which Australians are so vehemently opposed to non english languages, in so many other countries, including our Euro-centric cousins in Canada and most of Europe, skill in multiple languages is not frowned upon like it is here, quite the opposite?

talkingtothemoon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2007 at 11:24pm:



How is this different compared to what the Nazis did to the Jews?

How is it different from what the Chinese government has attempted in Tibet?

Are you aware that the Federal Government cannot make laws governing religious belief according to the Constitution.  What you're proposing would be struck down by the High Court on that basis.   Are you proposing a referendum?  Do you seriously believe such a proposal would pass under the referendum rules for Constitutional change?

Hi zoso, Brian and enviro,

essentially all the terrorist acts are by muslims.
It is against other muslims and against nonmuslims, against everyone who does not submit to their personal belief.
hey - that is what is stated to do in the koran! Also what mohammad did himself.
They follow ishmael of the old testament, he makes "interesting" reading to say the least .

is a pity, the muslims I know are "normal", but the religion is intolerant, sexist and violent to the extreme.
maybe they would change if their numbers were in superiority ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2007 at 10:08pm:


I'll tell you right now... they would DEFINITELY change if they were the majority. You seem pretty educated when it comes to Muslims and the quran. sprint. Can't you see a pattern emerging throughout the world between what Muslims do and the actual religion they practice?

I think it's very nieve, especially those who are peace loving and under-educated on Islam, to dismiss it as 'hate-mongering' and 'racism' to want this religion out of Australia. There's definitely a pattern between violence and Islam throughout the world.

The only reason the ones that you know are peaceful... is because they know if they open their mouths in a society full of Aussies, they know something bad will happen to them. Basically they're saving their own arses and biding their time... As soon as they get the chance... and form a majority... they will try and convert us all through force and intimidation.

DT history does not support your views. The more violent aspects of Islam have only emerged relatively recently.

Are you lot sure you aren't mistaking "Muslims" for "Islamists"?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims are moderate.  It is the Islamists who are seeking to use Terrorism to further their ends.  They are a subset of Muslims who hold an extremist fundamentalist viewpoint which is opposed bitterly to modernity within their religion.  It is the reason why they spend a great deal more time and effort attacking their co-religionists, rather than killing Westerners.