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Reply #30 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 9:56am
 
Fresh violence at Nandigram

KOLKATA : Violence erupted again in Nandigram, West Bengal, on Wednesday, with activists of the Trinamool Congress-led Bhoomi Ucched Pratirodh Committee (BUPC) allegedly attacking an office of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) with bombs and burning it and troublemakers ransacking some shops in the Tekhali Bazaar area. The BUPC has been spearheading the movement against setting up an industry in Nandigram.

There were also reports of at least two roads being dug up on Tuesday night in another part of Nandigram by persons suspected to belong to the BUPC. There has been tension in the Nandigram area since the violence there on March 14 in which 14 persons were killed.

A delegation that included some women who fled their homes in the wake of attacks over the past weeks, allegedly by BUPC activists, met Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee. He reportedly assured them that normality would be restored in the area soon.

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Large parts of the area remain inaccessible to the police, even as two police camps were shifted to adjoining locations as part of a phased withdrawal.

The officers in charge of three thanas in the area have been temporarily shifted "for pre-promotion training, which is mandatory," Inspector General of Police (Law and Order) Raj Kanojia told The Hindu .

The State Government has prepared an affidavit on the incident, as sought by a Division Bench of the Calcutta High Court, Home Secretary Prasad Ranjan Roy said.

He discounted reports that the Chief Minister was not briefed about the intelligence reports in the run-up to the police firing at Nandigram.

"The contents of all the intelligence reports [received by the State administration] were discussed with the Chief Minister," he said.
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Reply #31 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:02am
 
woah, this thread is depressing, so much stories of gore & violence.  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

but thanks for the different perspective skeptic, at least we can agree that not all violent acts committed in the world are by muslims.

i guess the tendency to be violent is more of a human thing, rather than something linked to a person's ethnic or religious background.
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Reply #32 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:12am
 
skeptic Posted on: Today at 10:29am
Quote from sprintcyclist on Today at 10:23am:

FYI - beheadings are popular and common in the koran. Shows your extremist ways.

Really?? i just remembered in the other thread that u mentioned that u haven't read the Koran, so u aren't in a position to comment on it.

All ur "today's news" threads are, are example of actions in the news committed by muslims, not necessarily good ones. there are alot of non-muslim related articles as well, so it's best u are more balanced in ur views and post some non-muslim articles as well.

But i doubt u will, so it's best i just post them.   



Hi skeptic - yes, I have not read the entire koran, cover to cover. 
Have you ? Have you read ANY of it at all??
I have educated myself about it to a degree and I have read some of it, as such I am "in a postition" to speak on it.  Are you ?
What are your qualifications/experience/knowledge ? Do you know mohammads "lifestory " ? 
Why do you think some muslims are extremist, some aren't ??
Why do you think muslims traditionally have run jews and christians off the land  and still do?
That is a teaching of the koran.


The point is, the muslim violence is against any other belief purely on the basis of it being a nonmuslim belief.  This is taught in the koran. Feel free to educate yourself on it, skeptic.


gavin - essentially ALL the violent  acts against by one faith against another faith based on faith is by muslims.
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Reply #33 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:17am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:12am:
The point is, the muslim violence is against any other belief purely on the basis of it being a nonmuslim belief.  This is taught in the koran. Feel free to educate yourself on it, skeptic.


sprintcyclist, u do realise that all faiths are intolerant of eachother?

actually, ur a good example, as a practising christian, u go on about how muslims are violent as evidenced by ur daily news threads, but then ignore violence committed by non-muslims.
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Reply #34 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:38am
 
Indian Hindu Militants Burn Down Church, Attack Pastors

By BosNewsLife News Center

NEW DELHI, INDIA (BosNewsLife)— Christians in India’s southern state of Andhra Pradesh on Wednesday, March 14, were preparing to rebuild their church, hours after it was burnt down by Hindu militants, while elsewhere in the country several Christian leaders were recovering from injuries following violent attacks against them.

The Global Council of Indian Christians (GCIC), which represent churches and missionary groups, said "Hindu radicals" of the nationalist Hindu organization Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) or ’National Volunteers’ Union’, "burnt down" an independent church late Tuesday, March 13, in the small town of Tadipatri, about 13 kilometers (8 miles) from the coastal city of Kakinada.

The attack against the congregation, which has about 40 families as members, was the latest in a series of incidents in the region, the GCIC said. "Fifteen days back one church was [also] burnt in the Tadiparti. Some agreement was made with political leaders by the anti-Christians that they would not disturb Christians. [However] again a group of people warned Pastor G. Premanadam on March 13 not to preach and proclaim Christ and they burnt the church building...", GCIC added.

Although the pastor informed police the Christian residents are reportedly living in fear of more attacks in the future. The violence came shortly after Hindu militants also attacked several pastors and Christian workers Andhra Pradesh and other regions of India, BosNewsLife established.

PASTOR ATTACKED

On Sunday, March 11, 48-year old Pastor B. Anand of the200-strong ’Bethesda Pradhana Sahavasam’ in Andhra Pradesh’s Ambojipeta village was attacked with wooden clubs by RSS militants, while on his way to a nearby village to participate in church services, Indian Christians said.

Up to 20 RSS supporters and two police officers came to the house where the pastor was staying and "demanded him to go along with them to [local] Jhajipatri police station," the GCIC claimed. Later the police officers left and "the RSS radicals took him to a forest area outside the village and wooden" clubs "on his face and his legs," the organization said.

Pastor Anand was allegedly betrayed by an RSS spy who had posed as a church member. "The radicals said he was using foreign money and that some Americans were giving him money to convert people to Christianity," the GCIC said. During the beatings the pastor reportedly proposed the RSS militants to seek first confirmation from local police and Christians whether he was involved in forced conversions.

"It was God’s will that none of them spoke in favor of the radicals and so Pastor Anand was released at 3am," the GCIC said in a statement monitored by BosNewsLife.

KARNATAKA VIOLENCE

The same say Sunday, March 11, another church leader, identified as Pastor Matthew was attacked in the neighboring Indian state of Karnataka as he was returning home on his two-wheeler after translating the Gospel into the local Kannada language at a meeting in the northern part of the capital Bangalore.

After he filled his two-wheeler with petrol and left the petrol station, three men in an auto "ambushed him on a dark stretch of road," blocking his way by stopping the car in front of his bike, GCIC investigators said.

One man, wearing a cap allegedly beat him on the head with a cricket stump and later apparently aimed a blow at his back which caused Pastor Matthew severe pain. "As it was dark, I could not see much. Also, the fact that I was wearing the helmet also obscured my vision, which is anyway not too good" said Pastor Matthew in a statement.

"I am in severe pain from the injuries which have caused large clots on my back and arms. I cannot sit up for long," he said, adding that he managed to seek medical help and asked supporters to "please pray for my early recovery."

STARTING CHURCH

Human rights observers linked the attack to Pastor Mathew’s attempts to start a church, the Bethesda Prayer Hall in Cholanayakanahalli, a small village within Bangalore’s city limits. He is the son of a pastor and several of his brothers are also involved in Christian activities.

One of his brothers, identified as Pastor Daniel, was reportedly harassed and forcibly evicted from three homes, one after another, by persons who apparently opposed his involvement in conducting prayers.

Elsewhere in the Bangalore area a Christian evangelist, identified as Bro. Bhaskar, was beaten last week, March 7, while distributing Christian tracts among some young ladies passing by on Hennur Road, the GCIC reported.

“Before handing the tracts over, he asked them what language they could read, and gave them the tract in their language. Seeing him do this, two men who were passing by on a scooter stopped, and questioned him. One pushed him against the wall and held his hands while another punched him twice on the face and said, ’Why are you giving these people tracts ? If we see you doing this again we will get you arrested by the police,’" the GCIC said.
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previous article (continued)

MORE VIOLENCE

Besides these pastors, several other church leaders and members were said to have been attacked this month, including in the northeastern state of Punjab where Hindu militants forced the cancellation of a prayer meeting, after attacking the Christians, the GCIC said. At least four people were injured in the attack in Gobin Pura village in Punjab’s Bathinda district, Indian Christians said.

Earlier in Northern India Pastor Reginald Howell of the evangelical Good Shepherd Community Churches "was brutally beaten" last week, March 7, by a "fanatic group in Hanumangarh," a town in India’s northern Rajasthan state, according to GCIC investigators.

"Pastor Howell went there to pray for sick people along with other Christians. He was beaten with an iron rod and suffered severe injuries on his back." Although "severely injured and bleeding" doctors at a local hospital allegedly refused to treat him as police did not want to "register" his case, Christian investigators said.

The reports of the attacks came as representatives of the Church of Nazarene in Nagpur, the third largest city in the western Indian state of Maharashtra, tried to seek compensation from local authorities following an attack against them. The pastor, "’Rev. Ravi Shambhakar" and co-workers "Mr. Ramprakash Sahu and Mr. Satputeed" were severely injured" when Hindu militants allegedly began beating them. The militants also damaged and later robbed the equipment used to show the ’Jesus’ film about the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the GCIC added.

“BRUTALLY BEATEN”

"Mr. Satputeed was brutally beaten and lost five teeth in the attack [and] was later taken to the hospital," the group said. Police reportedly did not register a complaint, saying Christians were involved in "wrongdoing." Church representatives launched a court case against the treatment by local authorities. A hearing was scheduled Tuesday, March 13, but it was not immediately clear what the outcome of the potentially precedent setting case had been.

The violence against Christians comes amid growing concern among church observers about what they see as an organized Hindu movement against perceived "forced conversions" in several states of India, where laws have made it increasingly difficult for pastors and Christian missionaries and aid workers to function.

For instance, "Rajasthan state has a Freedom of Religion Bill which is used as a tool in the hands of the fundamentalists to harass the Christians," said GCIC National President Sajan George. "The cases of anti-Christian attacks in Rajasthan keep increasing, and the State Administration turns a blind eye to the persecution of Christians ."

India is a predominantly Hindu nation of 1.1 billion people, but Hindu groups have complained about the spread of Christianity in especially rural areas and among the ’lowest caste’, also known as ’dalits’. Christians comprise less than 3 percent of the population. (With BosNewsLife reporting, BosNewsLife Research and reports from India).

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Reply #36 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 10:46am
 
the whole conflict between buddhists & muslims in Thailand is a two-way street, with both sides attacking eachother. it's not fair to label the muslims as violent, but the buddhists as peaceful when both are being violent.


Islamic school attacked in southern Thailand

SABAYOI, Thailand – Attackers hurled explosives and opened fire on an Islamic school in southern Thailand, killing three students and sparking a riot by angry Muslim villagers, officials said Sunday.
Shortly after the attack, three Buddhists were shot dead in the same district, raising fears that a festering insurgency that has already taken more than 2,000 lives could erupt into open combat between the Muslim and Buddhist communities.
 
The Bamrungsart Pondok boarding school was attacked Saturday evening as 75 boys were sleeping. Attackers lobbed explosives and sprayed dozens of bullets into a dormitory, killing a 12-year-old and two 14-year-olds, police Col. Thammasak Wasaksiri said.
Seven other teenagers were wounded in the attack in the Sabayoi district of Songkhla province, he said.

An estimated 500 protesters gathered outside the school Sunday, carrying the dead children's bodies through the crowd and setting fire to two buildings at a nearby government-owned school. Some hurled stones at police during the protest, which lasted several hours until a local Muslim leader persuaded the crowd to disperse peacefully, provincial police chief Maj. Gen. Paithoon Pattanasophon said.

Thammasak said police believe Muslim insurgents staged the school attack in an attempt to convince villagers that authorities were responsible and win them over to the insurgents' cause. Villagers, however, refused to believe Muslims were behind the violence and blamed government security forces, he said.

Thai authorities also blamed insurgents for a bombing at a mosque and a grenade attack at a tea shop last Wednesday that killed two Muslims in neighboring Yala province. Those attacks came hours after suspected Muslim insurgents killed eight Buddhist passengers in a commuter van in the same district of Yala, shooting them in the head execution-style.

After the school attack, suspected Muslim insurgents stormed a nearby charcoal factory Sunday, killing two Buddhist workers and wounding at least two others. Separately, a Buddhist man riding a motorcycle was gunned down.

Thailand is overwhelmingly Buddhist, but the country's far south is predominantly Muslim, and residents of the region have long felt that they are treated like second-class citizens.

The southern Muslim provinces have hundreds of religious Islamic schools, and authorities have accused some of them of harboring insurgents and serving as a training ground for violence.

Lt. Gen. Wirot Buacharun, the army commander in charge of the restive provinces, said security forces had recently raided an Islamic school and confiscated an M-16 assault rifle, bullets, a computer containing suspicious material and other documents believed to be linked to the insurgency.

“This leads us to believe that religious schools are involved with the ongoing violence,” he said Sunday, adding that he would urge the government to revoke subsidies for the schools or close some of them.

Drive-by shootings and bombings occur almost daily in Thailand's three Muslim-majority provinces – Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani – and increasingly in the neighboring province of Songkhla.

Though Buddhist teachers have been targeted by the violence that flared three years ago, schoolchildren have largely been spared.

Violence in the south has increased since a military-installed government took power in September following a coup that ousted then-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Thailand's military imposed a curfew in two Yala districts on Thursday. Army spokesman Col. Akara Thiprot said it was the first time a curfew has been imposed in the region since separatist violence surged in January 2004.
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Reply #37 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 11:01am
 
HI skeptic
fancy you finding another religious battle where muslims are involved.
Buddhists are probably the worlds renowned pacifists.
There has never been a problem with them in the past , now muslims are there .........

yes, there are also occassional problems with hindus and christians on one sector of india.
that is about it worldwide for nonmuslim religious violence.
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Reply #38 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 11:06am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 22nd, 2007 at 11:01am:
HI skeptic
fancy you finding another religious battle where muslims are involved.
Buddhists are probably the worlds renowned pacifists.


sprintcyclist, did u even read the article i posted??
i'm guessing u didn't since the article mentioned how buddhists in Thailand attacked an Islamic school resulting in the deaths of 2 teenagers and wounding of 7.

how is that being a pacifist? u can't call them peace lovers, when they are being violent.
basically, the conflict in Thailand is a two-way street, i.e. both sides are being violent. i'm really surprised that u will focus on the muslims being violent, but ignore that buddhists are as well.
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Reply #39 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 1:05pm
 
Hi skeptic,
yes, I did read you post. Hence my informed reply
What is the buddhists history ? what is muslims history ?
I read of a similar article a few weeks ago, where is was muslims killing other muslims and setting  it up to looklike buddhists had done it . To cause chaos and enable the use of massive violence from them to eradicate the buddhists. This sort of thing has been done before. taqiya.


The violence was not there till the muslims arrived.
Try taking a bible into saudi arabia - it carries a 2 year jail term there.
did you call them tolerant ?
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 22nd, 2007 at 1:05pm:
Hi skeptic,
yes, I did read you post. Hence my informed reply
What is the buddhists history ? what is muslims history ?
I read of a similar article a few weeks ago, where is was muslims killing other muslims and setting  it up to looklike buddhists had done it . To cause chaos and enable the use of massive violence from them to eradicate the buddhists. This sort of thing has been done before. taqiya.


sprintcyclist, buddhists attack muslims and u somehow convinced urself that muslims did it? u really are deluded.

like i said before, the violence is Thailand is being fought by both sides, i.e. muslims killing buddhists and buddhists killing muslims.

they are both being violent, so u cannot say one is peaceful and one isn't.

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Reply #41 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 3:12pm
 
one thing is clear, thos christians get a bit of a flogging where ever they go.

The reason Islamic violence gains prominence is that it is uniform accross the globe. Where you may here of violent hindus in India, and Violent buddhists in Thailand, you will hear of muslim violence everywhere, from Thailand, to India, to France, to Australia.

Name any nation with a significant Islamic population and I will find multiple cases of religious fulled violence.

In fact name any nation with over 5% islamic population and there will be cases of Religious fulled violence within the last year.

No other relgion throughout history has had this much widespread violence in teh name of their God.

Even during Crusading Europe many countries with significant christian populations never laid fingers on other religions.

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The reason Islamic violence gains prominence is that it is uniform accross the globe. Where you may here of violent hindus in India, and Violent buddhists in Thailand, you will hear of muslim violence everywhere, from Thailand, to India, to France, to Australia.


Thats islam! Wink

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Name any nation with a significant Islamic population and I will find multiple cases of religious fulled violence.


France, England, Russia, The Balkans, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, etc...

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No other relgion throughout history has had this much widespread violence in teh name of their God.


Yep, islam tops the list!

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Even during Crusading Europe many countries with significant christian populations never laid fingers on other religions.


The muslims started the violence which led to the crusades. the christians went to the mid east to liberate the oppressed christians.

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Classic Liberal wrote on Mar 22nd, 2007 at 3:12pm:
The reason Islamic violence gains prominence is that it is uniform accross the globe. Where you may here of violent hindus in India, and Violent buddhists in Thailand, you will hear of muslim violence everywhere, from Thailand, to India, to France, to Australia.


India is probably the only country in the world that has a large Hindu population, so u wouldn't find Hindu violence in any other nation besides India.

the same thing with Buddhists, only a few countries in SE Asia have large Buddhist populations. so u wouldn't find examples of Buddhist violence in other areas of the globe.
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Reply #44 - Mar 30th, 2007 at 1:19am
 
Why do you think muslims traditionally have run jews and christians off the land  and still do?

Actually they haven't. There were long periods throughout history where Christians and jews lived peacefully in muslim lands.
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