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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #345 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:16pm:
Again, a two thirds majority of Parliament (and perhaps approval of the incumbent HOS) would be enough to ensure that the nominee was appropriate and the process robust.

You don't need your little committee of venerable old codgers to do that. Furthermore, requiring the approval of the incumbent would not make the process more robust as it would make it harder to replace a HOS who abused their position of power. Adding more committees and approval processes does not make up for a lack of robustness in the original concept. It just makes it more complicated.

Hardly more complicated, just the approval of two thirds majority if required in exchange for the removal of a non-citizen and faux head of state.
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #346 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:37pm
 
I they wanted to sack the GG, would that also require parliamentary approval?
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Reply #347 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:37pm:
I they wanted to sack the GG, would that also require parliamentary approval?

Under a Republican model, there would be no need for a governor-general. The GG's role would obviously be an unnecessary extra level of complexity.
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #348 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:47pm
 
I they wanted to sack the HOS, would that also require parliamentary approval?
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Reply #349 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:47pm:
I they wanted to sack the HOS, would that also require parliamentary approval?

If the Australian people required that the HOS's role should be protected from Prime Ministerial whims, then yes.
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Reply #350 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:57pm
 
What do you mean, 'if the people required'???? Do you suggest we put every detail up for vote and accept whatever combination of details are approved?
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Reply #351 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 3:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2008 at 2:57pm:
What do you mean, 'if the people required'???? Do you suggest we put every detail up for vote and accept whatever combination of details are approved?

I think certain significant details would need to be approved by referendum, at the very least would include the process for the HOS nomination and the process for his/her dismissal.
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Reply #352 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 3:38pm
 
You won't get it anywhere near a referendum if you don't already have a working model. Asking people to vote for one, or expecting some convention to come up with one is a copout - a way to avoid facing the fact that you can't come up with a better system than the one we already have, except for a bit of window dressing. You need to sell the new system, not the idea of change for the sake of change.
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Reply #353 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 4:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 24th, 2008 at 3:38pm:
You won't get it anywhere near a referendum if you don't already have a working model. Asking people to vote for one, or expecting some convention to come up with one is a copout - a way to avoid facing the fact that you can't come up with a better system than the one we already have, except for a bit of window dressing. You need to sell the new system, not the idea of change for the sake of change.

The process and circumstances of the HOS's appointment and dismissal warrant a choice on a referendum. For the appointment, my model would be the Sovereign Council (as already discussed).

As the relationship between parliament, the HOG and the HOS is a significant issue with the public (with most preferring a parliamentary majority for appointing/dismissing the HOS) and were this the model to be put to the people, these things would have to be determined by the people :

Is the process of HOS nomination satisfactory ?
Would the presumptive HOS require 2/3 parliamentary majority for ratification?
Would the dismissal of the HOS be effected by the HOG or 2/3 parliamentary majority?
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #354 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 1:59pm
 
I'm definitely in favour of us becoming a republic and while we're at it we should withdraw from the UN too. I'm for anything that'll help Australia maintain its sovereignty and stop the relentless push towards having a world controlled by one government.

I'm not exactly sure what form of government we should take but I'd like to see us become more democratic. For starters we should be more like the USA where the voters, not the politicians, elect the leaders of their parties. I also think that preferences should be taken out of the voting process and the candidates who get the most primary votes should win their respective seats. Taxpayer money for election campaigns should also be evenly distributed between the top 6 most popular parties from the previous election and private donations should be prohibited. These changes I'm advocating would make for a much more democratic Australia, where the people, not just privileged few, would get a say in the direction of our country.  
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #355 - Oct 7th, 2008 at 2:20pm
 
Welcome to OzPolitic Revenant.

I'm not exactly sure what form of government we should take but I'd like to see us become more democratic. For starters we should be more like the USA where the voters, not the politicians, elect the leaders of their parties.

Actually, they don't in the US either. America is far less democratic, and not just because their president is not directly elected. A far greater flaw in their democracy is that they use first past the post vote counting.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/US-democracy-is-flawed.html

I also think that preferences should be taken out of the voting process and the candidates who get the most primary votes should win their respective seats.

Do you want people to vote for the candidate who isn't actually their favourite? Because that is what inevitably happens under such a system. It also introduces a degree of arbitrary randomness to the election outcome.
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #356 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 9:28am
 
First past the post with no preference deals means that the elections are decided by the people. Not by parties making deals with each other. Couple that with my suggestion to grant the 6 most popular parties the same level of funding for election campaigns and I reckon we'd have a much more democratic country.  

If people don't vote for who they truly want because they think that they can’t win, and therefore take the lesser of two evils approach, so be it. Personally I don't relate to people who think like that. My view is that if you can't be part of the solution at the very least don't be part of the problem by voting for the same old parties who continue to subvert the will of the people in favour of kowtowing to the big end of town.



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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #357 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:09am
 
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #358 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:53pm
 
Yes, we should become a republic.

We should replace the Queen and the Governor-General with a President who will be the Head of State and have the same role and responsibilities as the Queen and the Governor-General.

We should keep our parliamentary system pretty much as is. We should still have a Prime Minister who will still be the Head of Government.

I think we should make the transition into a Republic as simple as possible. I propose we simply make the Governor-General (Quentin Bryce) President of the Republic of Australia. Give her a five year term. At the end of her term a President, then we can have a national election to appoint the first democratically elected President of Australia.

Parliament should also write up a new constitution for the Republic of Australia (as our old one is written specifically for a commonwealth country under the British monarch and obviously things would be different under a Republic) along with a Bill of Rights (something Australia has needed for a long time).

I think all this should be done fairly soon. Preferably before the next federal election. Perhaps a referendum should be held either later this year or early 2010. Then according to the result of the referendum, parliament would either go on with business as usual or get to work on transitioning into a Republic before the next federal election so that basically the Australian people would be electing the first government of the Republic of Australia. So we should aim for 2011 being the commencement of the Republic of Australia.

I think Rudd did say he would bring up the issue of Republicanism again in 2010. So perhaps we could be the Republic of Australia by 2011. It just depend on how long it would take to transition into a Republic once a referendum has been held and the people have voted for a Republic. I can't imagine it taking more than a year in office. If we aim to change as little as possible and make the transition quick and easy, then there's absolutely no reason why we wont be a Republic in 2011.
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Re: Should Australia become a republic?
Reply #359 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 10:20am
 
Eventually, yes, we should vote on a Republic.
I just don't think it's an issue of high priority, though.
Other than the election of the President, we don't need to change anything else.

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