Post by Cliff Richard on May 17th, 2011 at 3:40pm
if
was still alive what would he make of all of this
was still alive what would he make of all of this
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Title: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 16th, 2011 at 11:45pm
How come the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court on Monday
requested arrest warrants for Moammar Gadhafi, his son and his brother-in-law for crimes of killing people but not a word about punishment for Israel also killing unarmed protesters? See latest news from CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/05/15/israel.border.violence/index.html?hpt=T2 Quote:
Israel seems surrounded by protests on all it's borders. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by thelastnail on May 16th, 2011 at 11:47pm
the jews are Gods chosen people. They automatically get issued a get of jail card ;) LOL
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2011 at 11:58pm Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2011 at 11:45pm:
Hmm yes got to love those specialty bread rolls, that look JUST like AK47's.... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 17th, 2011 at 12:00am
Hi Nail,
The Middle East is still a powder keg about to explode at any time. You just can't have nearly every country there killing unarmed people in the street without huge political & terrorism consequences - that's what breeds hatred & terrorism. All those countries need to be brought into line somehow. Israel must be no exception. I think if it's good enough to bomb Ghadaffi it's good enough to a least condemn Israel at the UN & maybe put embargos on it. Something has to be done to cool things down a bit & bring back the rule of law - or the United Nations means nothing. The International Criminal Court should also start looking into it to have any credibility. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 17th, 2011 at 12:08am
Gizmo,
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I did hear that some protestors threw rocks but that is hardly very much when up against Israeli sub machine guns. I heard it on the radio & there was the sound of automatic gunfire at one protest. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by pansi1951 on May 17th, 2011 at 6:52am
Israel and America have special immunity. They can do what they want to whoever they want. How dare anyone challenge their behaviour, they're trying to maintain world peace lol
Benjamin Netanyahu is going for the Nobel Peace Prize, yep! same one his old mate Barack Obama got. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 17th, 2011 at 7:16am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 6:52am:
Considering that the terrorist Yassar Arafat got one of those, I would suggest that particular prize is worthless. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 17th, 2011 at 7:21am Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2011 at 11:45pm:
Those 'unarmed protesters' were fighting soldiers. And they weren't killed by tear gas, nor by the rubber bullets. Perhaps the Israeli soldiers should have stood there and allowed themselves to be attacked in the name of 'peace'. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on May 17th, 2011 at 8:41am Bobby. wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 12:08am:
Bobby, you should watch the video at the top of the article.... Despite very 'careful' camera work and editting, you can still see automatic weapons carried by at least half a dozen 'peaceful protestors'... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 17th, 2011 at 9:31am gizmo_2655 wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 8:41am:
I didn't see that Gizmo - only unarmed protestors with a few banners crying for peace. Looks like they were slaughtered by evil soldiers. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 17th, 2011 at 10:52am
It's always the same astonishment "bastard jews shot back".
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 17th, 2011 at 1:35pm Soren wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 10:52am:
They weren't shot at. It was worse than the Nazis. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 17th, 2011 at 1:52pm
Yeah, right. All the Arabs were just peacefully having a picnik with their families, singing lullabies when the jews just came up to the border and started shooting over the fence because they hate the sound of Muslims singing lullabies.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 17th, 2011 at 2:12pm
Some day the world will grow tired of 'awww but we been persecuted for 2000 years' as an excuse for everything. The sympathy card can only be played so many times....
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on May 17th, 2011 at 2:57pm Bobby. wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 12:00am:
So how would you bring Israel into line after they were attacked on 3 fronts? Do you think Israel has the right to protect itself from such attacks? Why are people only willing to condemn Israel and not the muslims who did their religious duty in attacking them? Should the muslims be thanking the jews for the opportunity to become martyrs with the reward of a heavenly brothel with 72 virgins and a everlasting erection? The Arab-Jew problem is a war that has been going on for 1400 years it started with the genocide of the banu qurayza and it will not stop untill people realise religion is bullshit and stop taking the Quran as the literal words from Allah.. Israel gets attacked from 3 borders and you say we should condemn Israel ........ http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/16/israel-palestinian-violence-erupts-on-three-borders.html This thread at an Islamic website shows these attacks on Israel were planned it even says Syrians caused some deaths that were blamed on the jews. http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/palestine-march-tomorrow-46007/ |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 17th, 2011 at 3:40pm
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 17th, 2011 at 3:44pm
Baron,
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Attacked? - you make it sound like there were 1000 tanks on each border attacking when in fact it was just people carrying peace flowers. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 17th, 2011 at 3:57pm Bobby. wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 3:44pm:
Ah, peace flowers. Wrappend in rocks. Got it. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 17th, 2011 at 4:09pm ... wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 2:12pm:
...when that day comes, and it will. Then the world community, persuaded by persistent moslem / 'Palestinan' grievances against the Jewish state, will decide do 'something' about Israel. Google; all nations will come against israel Israel, is 'a line in the sand' issue people. +++ 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 17th, 2011 at 4:16pm Bobby. wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 3:44pm:
"PEACE NOW! - you Jewish gits." - 'Peace now' protests, in Jerusalem. source of image... http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144195 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on May 17th, 2011 at 4:28pm Bobby. wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 3:44pm:
How many rockets have the muslims fired at Israel this year? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel Do you think the Imam Al Ghazali declaring mathematics as the work of satan around the year 1200 could be a contributing factor on why the muslims miss the targets about 99% of the time? If they just chant Allahu Akbar (zib) and leave the rocket guidance up to Allah is it gods will that the muslims miss 99% of the time? I see Israel like the canary in the mineshaft. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 17th, 2011 at 4:41pm Baronvonrort wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 4:28pm:
I would have said; I see the world community's attitude towards Israel, as a canary in a mineshaft. The canary is dead! There is so much evil happening in the world today, yet most people seem to be wearing blinkers, causing them to be unaware of what they are supporting, the evil, that they are supporting, in their daily choices. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 17th, 2011 at 7:59pm Quote:
Typical fallacy - trying to create a strawman. The protestors weren't firing rockets - they were peaceful. Am I the only one who can see the hypocrisy of wanting to put people in Libya on trial but not Israel? They both killed unarmed protestors. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 17th, 2011 at 8:41pm
Jews gassing Moslems ;D ;D
How stupid is humanity. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 18th, 2011 at 12:55am
It’s quite easy to miss a naked threat in Levantine politics since these are often confused with government press releases. Rami Makhlouf, the jet-setting business mogul cousin of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, told the New York Times last week: “If there is no stability here, there’s no way there will be stability in Israel. No way, and nobody can guarantee what will happen after, God forbid, anything happens to this regime.”
And so, two full months after the Syrian people said they wanted “to topple the regime”, and braved sniper fire, tanks and death squads to do so, Damascus fired a flare at the West about what might happen if the people got what they wanted. Around 12 demonstrators were killed by Israeli and Lebanese forces at the weekend in a series of thousands-strong “Nakba Day” raids along Israel’s borders with Lebanon and Syria. A few hundred even made it into the Jewish state through the Golan Heights, the 700 square-mile plateau that represents the pacified buffer zone that Israel controls and Syria contests and yet that, for the last 37 years, has seen no violent escalations of any kind. Why now? Because the point of Sunday’s raid, at least from the Syrian side, was to return Israel to the forefront of all dire chatter about the Middle East. In that regard, Assad succeeded spectacularly. He may have even finally channeled his Machiavellian father, giving what’s left of the wizened Arab autocrats cause to rethink their long-held judgment of Bashar as a thick and gutless dauphin. The New York Times’ Ethan Bronner reports that: A Syrian dissident, citing accounts from residents in Damascus, said pro-government Palestinian groups had begun busing people to the border on Saturday night. Syria is home to half million Palestinian refugees, some of them living in squalid camps that hug the Golan. Even when there isn’t a national revolution on, these Palestinians are not given free mobility (much less anything resembling citizenship rights even if their great-grandparents were born in Syria). So the idea that busloads of them can have been transported past Syrian military checkpoints to a sensitive border area without the go-ahead from Damascus is fanciful. To his credit, the Syrian opposition saw the dodge for what it was. Western spokesman Ammar Abdulhamid writes in his Syrian Revolution Digest today: If the fact that this is happening for the very first time since 1974 and only days after Bashar Al-Assad’s cousin, Rami Makhlouf, made his threatening statements is not a clear enough indication of this, then let’s mourn the death of reason, and glory in the triumph of impunity and willful blindness over everything decent.The last time Palestinian refugees attempted something “spontaneous” was two weeks ago, in the city of Deraa, when they tried to bring water and aid to the luckless revolutionaries being shot at and dehydrated by Assad’s militias. So all credit to Bashar, who might as well have draped a blanket over the Syrian town of Talkalakh, where seven people were killed Sunday as bullets “pour[ed] down on the city like rain,” according to one eyewitness quoted on Al-Arabiya TV. Snipers shot out water tanks as a means of collective punishment whilst hundreds of residents conducted their own cross-border raid — into Lebanon. The Wadi Khalid region saw hundreds fleeing for a place of greater safety, some carrying the wounded on their backs. One woman who’d been shot later died in hospital. Interestingly, some of the demonstrators pouring into Israel from Syria were aspiring refugees of a different order. “I’m tired of living in Syria, we’d rather die than see more bloodshed,” one amnesty-seeking oppositionist told the news portal Ynet. “We’ve crossed the border in order to stay with our families, away from all the killing in Syria. We ask the powers at be in Israel to help us stay and not send us back.” Israel ought to have seen this coming and planned accordingly. Alas, not for the first time in recent memory has a simple, low-cost provocation made a militarily unmatched hyperpower look like an audience member who’s wandered onstage the middle of a vaudeville sketch and suddenly found himself part of the performance. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaelweiss/100088228/assads-clever-stratagem-pays-off-on-the-israeli-border/ |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 19th, 2011 at 11:22am
Latest news:
Sanctions applied to Syria's elite for shooting protesters but nothing done to Israel. Looks like Israel has a free hand to do whatever they like. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 19th, 2011 at 11:48am
Everything is going according to plan. whats the big deal?
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2011 at 11:53am Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:22am:
Don't worry your little head about it, bobby. There is soon going to be a bloodbath in the middle east. Moslems predict it. And devout moslems unceasingly insist that this bloodbath will soon occur - at their hands. e.g. These words, from the lips of Iranian President Ahmadinejad... "The ocean of rage of the people of the region will surge and eradicate the Zionist regime." Local moslems are going to eradicate the Zionist regime, ...coz the Jews keep oppressing and killing Listen to the words of President Ahmadinejad, here... YOUTUBE "Farewell Israel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-IwwfeLp4M Watching this YOUTUBE clip, Ahmadinejad's intent seems very clear, .....moslems are going 'TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP' Pity that moslems like Ahmadinejad [clearly] never read the O.T. For moslems reading 'corrupt' Jewish scripture is 'verbotten'. And anyway, moslems have all the inspiration that they need, within their very own, inerrant Koran. +++ Isaiah 17:12 Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! 13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. 14 And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us. Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. 20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. 21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. Blood is going to flow. Ezekiel 35 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 19th, 2011 at 1:03pm
Yadda,
The fact is that we will never have peace unless the law is applied equally to all countries. I only ask that hypocrisy stops & peace will follow. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on May 19th, 2011 at 1:41pm Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:22am:
The Syrians were shooting Syrians for this to be a comaparable situation the IDF would have to shoot Israelis. Was the IDF shooting at Israelis or Egyptians/Syrians/Gazans on 3 different borders? What does Iran do if british navy,american hikers,etc get within range of their border? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 19th, 2011 at 1:48pm Baronvonrort wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 1:41pm:
They put them on trial for spying. Next. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on May 19th, 2011 at 1:48pm Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 1:03pm:
There will never be peace with the Arab - jew conflict untill muslims realise the quran is bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit. Watch this - www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2011 at 2:14pm Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 1:03pm:
bobby, That sentiment, is all well and good. But that is never going to happen. i.e. Peace will not come. The truth of the matter, is that in this world, few of us respect the peace of others, where it is to our advantage to overturn such a peace [which others enjoy]. That is just the nature of men. We human beings [men and women] are greedy, selfish, corrupt, violent creatures. Not always, and not everyone, but many of us, and more often that we would like to admit. That is just our nature. Alternatively bobby, are you saying that Israel's security, and the safety of Israel's people, can be assured ??? By whom ??? And do you believe that in recent years, the world community have responded fairly [towards Israel], when Israelis have been forced to respond in self defence, to the aggressive assaults of some of her local neighbours ??? bobby, Regards the conflict between Israel and her local neighbours, many people have commented that; If the Arabs (Moslems) put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If Israel put down their guns, there would be no more Israel. IMAGE... +++ "Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian Regards that quote... I am not saying, that that is how the world of men should be. I merely agree, observe, that that, is the reality we are all confronted with, in this world. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 19th, 2011 at 2:59pm
some tiny little middle eastern mediteranean country that has absolutely no value to us from the perspective of our interests gets retards so fired up that they try to force our govts to spend money and waste time supporting it
ppl like yadda can bugger off get on a boat and join their buddies in the IDF stop trying to get us involved ok |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 19th, 2011 at 3:16pm
Yadda - you're not Jewish are you?
Your response seems a little biased. I am not anti-Jewish - I just want equal rights & law for everyone. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 19th, 2011 at 3:25pm
yadda is one of those uncle tomstein house whiteys
uncle tomstein house whiteys like yadda who think that the purpose of the white, european extracted gentile is to serve the semite these take the form of philosemite neoconservatives who lust for global hegemony and their own political prestige or follow those that do (many post here), christian zionist uncle tomstein house whiteys (like yadda) who do it for religious reasons and self flagellating uncle tomstein house whiteys who hate themselves and cry about the holocaust every night (helian). these house whitey uncle tomstein types arent necessarily mutually exclusive though |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2011 at 3:30pm Cliff Richard wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
Cliff Richard, I can promise you, that it is vitally in our individual interest to do this.... "...Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." ...but i recognise, that that, may not be among your priorities in life. Go your own way. Walk your own path. Have a nice life. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 19th, 2011 at 3:33pm
i see we got some more house whiteys running around here
pathetic, stand up and fight for yourself white man |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2011 at 3:34pm Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 3:16pm:
bobby, Obvioulsy i can't prove this, ....but i am not Jewish, and i have no knowledge of any Jewish heritage in my family. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 19th, 2011 at 3:36pm Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 3:34pm:
I would have thought someone who quotes as many bible verses as you do might be a little more annoyed at the people who murdered your saviour. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2011 at 3:49pm ... wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 3:36pm:
Duh ? And here is me... And i always thought that Jesus was a Jew ??? And that Jesus was murdered because of local politics, NOT because of his ethnicity ??? Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Jews and Gentiles, WE ARE ALL LOST SHEEP. Wandering in this world, looking for the "promised land", waiting for our [spiritual] redemption. We are all [Jews and Gentiles], strangers in a strange land. Believe it. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 9:53am Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 3:49pm:
Of course, today moslems contend that Jesus wasn't even a Jew. Moslems claim Jesus as one of their own. ISLAM claims that Jesus was a devout moslem. Google; jesus was palestinian and a shaheed martyr Jesus was the 1st 'Palestinian' martyr - according to moslems Google; ISLAM claims that Jesus was a devout muslim WESLEY.PIPES, What do you think ??? Was Jesus murdered by Jews [....err, because Jesus was a devout moslem] ??? Do you believe that ??? Should myself and other Christians be outraged, and hate the Jewish people [because the Jews killed Jesus] ??? IMAGE... 'Martyrdom is a very beautiful thing' IMAGE... 'It our muslim destiny to rid the world of Jews' IMAGE... 'Even Allah's creatures testify that Jews are Allah's enemies' IMAGE... http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.nationalpost.com/news/2056316.bin?size=404x272 'And they too know that to slaughter the Jews is the right thing to do' IMAGE... God bless Hitler? IMAGE... The real holocaust is coming?i+++ Google; hamas media watch jews Google; palestinian tv jews Google; genocide of jews muslim goal Google; palestinian tv kill jews Google; kill a jew, go to heaven Google; slaughter the jews bobby, Where are the constant, and insistent, condemnation for all of these murderous declarations, from all of the good and fair people in the world ??? Where are the constant, and insistent, condemnation of all such murderous declarations, from our own political leaders in Australia, the UK, Europe, and the US [i.e. coming from we, the 'righteous' liberal democracies] ??? bobby, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HEARD SUCH A CONDEMNATION, FROM ONE OF OUR POLITICAL, OR COMMUNITY LEADERS ??? Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 1:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 3:16pm:
bobby, Do you want the same rights, for everyone ??? Really ??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 20th, 2011 at 10:26am Quote:
Well it's pretty doubtful that jesus was a muslim, the main reason for which is the fact islam wasn't even founded for 600 odd years after his death. If you were a real christian (which I doubt) you probably wouldn't endlessly defend those killed your saviour. But they sure hate you. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 20th, 2011 at 11:20am
Looks like Obama wants Israel's return to pre-1967 borders.
see link: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/19/obama.israel.palestinians/index.html?hpt=T2 Looks like Israel is losing it's fight - with the USA behind the Palestinians now. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 11:44am
lol no way
i'm amazed obama made that statement though but i'm not aware of any lessening of the power of the zionist lobby in washington |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 11:56am ... wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:26am:
WESLEY, Well there, you are mistaken. According to ISLAM, there is only one true religion [i.e. ISLAM]. And according to ISLAM, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus were all prophets of ISLAM, and so [according to ISLAM], these Biblical persons were devout 'believers', i.e. true moslems. My House is Mine; Your House is Mine Too! by Syed Kamran Mirza http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/my_house_is_mine.htm Google; abraham moses david jesus "prophets of islam" were muslims Allah gave the Torah to Moses. And WESLEY, we all know that Allah wouldn't give his scripture to Jews! Spit, spit! Moses received the Torah from Allah. It says so, in the Koran... Koran 3.2-3 Koran 5.66-69 "The inerrant Koran" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0 Google; Torah is scripture, from Allah WESLEY, What about the history of ancient Israel, recorded in the Bible ??? According to moslems today, those accounts of the people [Jews], was myth, a lie, 'made up', fabricated, by Jews. And the historic account of a 'Jewish' temple in Jerusalem? That, also is another myth/lie, fabricated, by Jews. Those temples were moslem temples!!! ISLAMIC evidence for such claims ??? They, moslems say so. And moslems would never, ever, lie!! /sarc off Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed March 15, 2007 "....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam." http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628 Temple Mount '100% Islamic' June 01, 2008 "....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...." http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919 +++ ... wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:26am:
Lots of moslems keep telling me that WESLEY. But i don't care if Jews hate me. [And i do not believe that Jews do hate me. The Jews i have known, have mostly, all presented, as rational, friendly people. AND EVEN THOSE JEWS, that knew that i professed a belief that Jesus was their Messiah - they didn't express any wish to cut my head off.] +++ But you believe whatever you want to believe WESLEY. I know that i do! +++ 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 20th, 2011 at 11:58am
Do you speak in bible verses all the time?
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 12:01pm ... wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 11:58am:
No. Sometimes i quote the Koran and the Hadith too. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 12:03pm
i was doing cleaning at a mental hospital one time and i met a schizophrenic there. he talked in bible verses and babbled about god and the "seventh hour". he would watch the clock on the wall and every five minutes he would make some meaningless but deep sounding statement like "the 45th minute.. god is still in his place.. all is right with the world."
it may have been yadda. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 20th, 2011 at 12:20pm Cliff Richard wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 11:44am:
An amazing statement from Obama to go back to 1967 borders. That means giving up the Golan Heights which will allow Syria to put artillery pieces on top of the mountains & fire directly on Israel whenever they want. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 12:20pm Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 11:20am:
Yippee!! Soon we will see.... "the whole earth rejoiceth" with those poor, poor, oppressed, persecuted, put upon 'Palestinians'. Yes, it is certain, soon the nations of the world will do something about those warmongering Israelis. Those wicked Israelis may be able to rebuff the 'righteous' attacks of dispossessed, rock throwing, rifle sniping, and rocket launching, 'Palestinians', but those warmongering Israelis will be unable to withstand the will of all of the nations of the whole earth. We, the people of the whole earth, will crush those Zionists like a bug. Yadda said..... Google; all nations will come against israel "Jews kill 12 protesters" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305553526/18#18 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 20th, 2011 at 12:31pm Cliff Richard wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
No value to us? Your not much into the research thingy I see. And check your pc and software whilst your at it. There's a very good chance it's from Israel. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 12:33pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 12:31pm:
yeah sry mate israel is a perpetual headache and the organised jewish community hasnt been our friend for a very long time nobody buys the propaganda anymore just smacking buy the baja california from mexico and move them there id be fine with that are you an uncle tomstein house whitey? when are you going to start acting like an alpha son? when are you going to throw down some ground rules? the organised jewish community takes - it doesnt give. its been supporting and spearheading policies utterly inimical to us for a very long time (mass immigration comes to mind). time to stop being a smacking beta b!tch and throw down some ground rules. so how about it white man when are you gonna COME OUT? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 12:37pm
dont be a beta
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 20th, 2011 at 12:39pm
Israel is finished - Obama is getting tough on them.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 12:40pm
dont be an idiot
this isnt going to last or its a hollow request |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 20th, 2011 at 12:44pm Cliff Richard wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 12:33pm:
The jews are doing the mind - control - time for the tinfoil hat, Imperium. http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 12:46pm
no mind control at al lmate
just political influence and activism and money which all factors in to decisions made my friend no conspiracy - no mind control needed put down the reflexive straw men my friend. and who is this imperium? he certainly sounds excellent. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 20th, 2011 at 12:51pm
He was awesome. He was also from Dubbo, stangely.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 12:54pm Yadda wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I totally forgot to mention the 'upside', of removing 'the Israel problem'. Once that 'pebble', that irritation, has been removed from our shoe, peace will then descend upon the peoples of the earth. The peoples of the earth will be blessed with an emerging, new earthly utopia. Honest. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 12:57pm
it is almost as if you are suggesting that dubbo and awesomeness are rarely found in conjunction.. this is not what i have heard, about this town
now listen my friends - i am not hostile to isael. i acknowledge the arguments of mearshimer and walt to be semsinble however - israel is a geopolitical headache and if i could go back in time i would have advocated for the creation of a jewish state in the baja califorina (purchased from mexico - id have much preferred that for all parties involved.) this is no longer a viable solution however, so i feel a quid pro quo with the organised jewish community and the israel lobby is in order - israel gets our support if they start trying to influence jewish and the opinions of their own organisations to putting an immediate halt to mass immigration as it is occuring - this would be particularly important in the united states. if this condition could be met, i'd be more than happy to support israel. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on May 20th, 2011 at 1:02pm
sry couldnt be f*cked posting seriously or much anymore or with proper punctuation or anything
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 1:14pm Cliff Richard wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
Solutions, solutions, solutions! Everyone has a solution. Listen up. There is no 'Israel problem'. There is, an ISLAM problem. ISLAM is the problem. Not the existence of tiny Israel. +++ Our circumstances are rarely within our control. But our choices are always within our control. We can make good choices, and, we can make poor choices. Pandering to a problem like ISLAM, is a very, poor choice. Merely saying; "I can ameliorate these problematic circumstances, by pandering to the protagonists who are causing the problem." ....is not a 'solution', when confronting such evil men, or such an evil philosophy. We [who seek peaceful lives] are kidding ourselves [we are living in la la land!], if we believe that aggression, or violence, or intimidation, is 'overcome', by our surrender to those things! Or if we believe that the appeasement of evil and wicked men, is a way to peace. The appeasement of evil [men], does not lead to peace. The aggression and violence of evil men, is not overcome, by our surrender, to the designs of those evil men. Most men still refuse to face up to the truth. The truth, that if we wish to overcome difficult circumstances, our best path forward, whatever the cost, is always to choose, to make a good [virtuous] choice. If we pander to evil, if we pander to evil men, they will destroy us. We will die [one day], but how we live, is important. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2011 at 1:27pm Yadda wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:14pm:
Marvellous analysis there, Yadda, but I think you posted the same reply in the multiculturalism thread, the spirituality thread, and that one in transport. There is no god but God. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 20th, 2011 at 1:31pm Karnal wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
Hmmmm, does that make me some sort of 'plagiarist' then ??? +++ Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 21st, 2011 at 3:20pm Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:14pm:
IMAGE... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Equitist on May 21st, 2011 at 3:39pm Hmmnnn....methinks that the international response, to Israel's violent unconscionable oppression and invasion/intrusion beyond its defined borders into the livelihoods and land of its neighbours, has been disproportionately-low... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Equitist on May 21st, 2011 at 3:42pm Yadda wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:31pm:
'Plagiarist' - not necessarily. 'Psalm-bot' - most definitely! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 21st, 2011 at 4:14pm Equitist wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 3:39pm:
Isaiah 5:18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope: 19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 21st, 2011 at 8:49pm
...in the End,
ISRAEL will be the MILITARY expression in the RELIGIOUS Middle-East Region of the World, as if South America itself had placed its greatest Warrior there. As for the Moslems, they will be the expression of Religion itself and the poverty that comes with it in that Region. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 22nd, 2011 at 1:37pm
Notice that the 12 murdered protesters were never mentioned by Obama
in his latest talks with Netanyahu. Israel has a license to murder unarmed innocent people. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 23rd, 2011 at 1:19am
Wonder if they are Gassing the Palestinians ...notice a lot of Gas masks being used lately.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by it_is_the_light on May 23rd, 2011 at 4:47am
gods chosen people mmm
ok cool... is footy on?,sweet namaste |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 23rd, 2011 at 8:02am Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2011 at 1:37pm:
Most of those 12 'victims', the protesters on the Lebanon and Syria borders, would have been Hezbolla cadres. Israel has been erecting these... IMAGE... To prevent wicked terrorist incidents such as this... IMAGE... Imagine if this victim of ISLAM, this [bus] victim of an ISLAMIC 'martyr' bomber, was YOUR child. Israel has hard borders separating Israel from Lebanon and Syria, for exactly the same reason as the walls are necessary, ...to prevent bombers from entering Israel. Israel is justified, in using any force necessary to defend those borders, and to prevent mujahideen from entering Israel. "Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025 Would that Australia had the same conviction as Israel, in seeking to prevent ISLAMISTS from entering Australia. It is only a matter of time... One day soon, ISLAMISTS will do within Australia too, what ISLAMISTS are trying to do to every day within Israel. ...what ISLAMISTS accomplish everyday around the world. IMAGE... August 4, 2005 Australian Islamic leader defends jihad "I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said. "The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam." http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm To ISLAMISTS, deception is a shield, AND, terror is a weapon, both are to be used against 'unbelievers'. "Allah's Apostle said, "...I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)..." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.220 hadith/muslim #004.1062 The use of both, deception, AND, terror to further 'Allah's cause', are regarded as 'good works' by ISLAM. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 9:31am Quote:
Even against people carrying peace flowers? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:08am Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 9:31am:
'PEACEFUL' PROTESTERS, ON THE ISRAELI/SYRIAN BORDER [2011-05]... IMAGE... Those are lovely Carnations that your 'friends' are carrying bobby. /sarc off bobby, You need to take off, those 'rose coloured glasses', and to stop telling lies, on behalf of your 'friends' [i.e. ISLAMISTS]. Open you eyes, and see who your 'friends' are, and what it is that they are really trying to do. Image source... "Ehud Barak's latest Nakba" http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2011/05/ehud-baraks-latest-nakba-1.php |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:22am Yadda wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:08am:
IMAGE... OR, is that scene and image, from an Australian immigration detention centre ??? Whether an image from the Israeli/Syrian border, or an image from an Australian immigration detention centre, ...in either case, it is very likely that those people are ISLAMISTS [...and not 'victims'], imo. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:37am
Look like Mexicans at the Californian border. ;D
Isn't it funny when one group of people tries the "Outbreed" the opposition while the other "Outpowers" in return. Its always they same scenario around the world, especially in the Northern Hemisphere: Asia, Europe, Middle-East, Namerica. ...well, until Australia brought in the Middle-Class scenario where the Rich Breed and and Poor have the Power. ;D |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:34am It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:37am:
When i look at that image, one word comes into my mind, ...LAWLESSNESS. 1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:35am
Yadda.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:55am Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:35am:
bobby, If someone tried to murder someone that you loved [i.e. an innocent], would you feel justified, in 'murdering' [i.e. killing] that person, to protect the innocent ??? In this thread, Yadda said, "Israel is justified, in using any force necessary to defend those borders, and to prevent mujahideen from entering Israel...." The Torah [God's law] shows how a righteous man is justified [protected], and how a false witness is to be condemned [judged] by the congregation [i.e. the community]. Deuteronomy 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; 17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; 18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; 19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother:... Q. And WHY is it [morally] correct, that to a wicked person, we should, ...."do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother" ??? A. Deuteronomy 19:19 ....so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. That is not an ancient Judaic law. It is something which is coming. It is something which we must bear. This is how a righteous God will judge mankind. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 23rd, 2011 at 12:16pm Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:35am:
Pity Hamas & Co doesn't see things that way. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 1:18pm
Yadda - don't quote the Bible.
That's half the problem in the Middle East - people using religion to justify murder. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 23rd, 2011 at 3:34pm Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 1:18pm:
Some advice bobby, don't try to dictate how i should express myself on this forum. If you don't like what is in my posts, then pass over them, without reading them. Thank you. bobby, Did you realise, that you are a bigot ??? bobby, is a bigot! bobby, is a bigot! bobby, is a bigot! bobby, is a bigot! ;D Open a dictionary; bigot = = a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others. A bigot, is a person who is, ".....intolerant of the opinions of others." bobby, Perhaps you believe that some people, should not have a voice, in public forums ??? Perhaps you believe that what people like Yadda express, in a forum like OzPol, is too offensive to be expressed in an open forum ??? And, wouldn't it be nice bobby, wouldn't it be 'delicious', if only people who's views coincided with your own [views], were allowed to post on public forums ??? Yes ??? ;D |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 9:48pm
Yadda,
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It would even be better if more people appreciated my rational cogent replies. ;D |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:29pm
Look at what is written in an Israeli newspaper:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/after-nakba-day-violence-normal-life-resumes-in-majdal-shams-1.362184 Quote:
They were actually 14 peaceful protestors. That was confirmed on Lateline tonight. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by thelastnail on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:33pm Yadda wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:34am:
that's funny don't the islamists read the same bullshit from the same useless old book as you lot do ?? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:42pm
Israel is in a bad situation.
What if 1000s of protestors entered on each of many borders in the same day? e.g. The Egyptian, the Syrian, Gaza strip, West Bank & Lebanese borders. Israel couldn't stop them unless it caused mass casualties - & that could start a real war. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by thelastnail on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:48pm Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:42pm:
which begs the question as to what brains trust would setup a country in the midst of a bunch lunatic religious fanatics who hate them so much ?? what f,.cken idiots would believe what is written in some old book written thousands of years ago by primitive people with low IQ and then follow it to the letter of the law ?? WTF !! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:52pm Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:48pm:
I think the only way there will ever be peace is if Israel becomes another Arab state where everyone including Jews have a free democratic vote - not a 2 state solution. The Arabs would be in the majority because they breed much faster. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by thelastnail on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:54pm Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:52pm:
I just wish they would all stop bothering us with their god gobbing religious muck :( |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 24th, 2011 at 12:47am
When I look at that photo - I see Palestinian men jumping the dangerous fences like eager horny toads after Jewish women who are offering 'Free' Sex because their Jewish men are too busy trying to rule the Middle-East with Military, rather than Religious might.
The Palestinian expression is the broken poverty of mass breeding that differs from conventional Islam. ...well, look at it this way. When Islam does to France what the Germans did to the Jews, they will have expended the last of their 'Power'. By then Israel will be more powerful and Islam across the Middle-East will be like Palestine - poor, broken and over-populatingly problematic. Then Israel will say unto Islam "Now lets get those bloody Italians!" and united they will. ...Israels MILITARY empowerment in a RELIGIOUS region is not different than POLITICS in ARTISTIC North America. COOKING in MUSICAL Occidental (New Zealand to Central America/Caribbean) ART in POLITICAL Australia RELIGION in MILITARY South America ...and so on everywhere. The poor will always outbreed and eventually claim, en mass, the Region, in the face of the more powerful minority who don't breed as well. In the Middle-East, the Israelis work hard to breed, whereas the Moslems seem to do it easy. THE JEWISH KING WILL EMBRACE HIS MOSLEM PEOPLE. ...the end. ;) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 24th, 2011 at 7:32am
Jas - I am right about the breeding.
The war will be won in the bedrooms of the Pallys. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 24th, 2011 at 8:47am Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:52pm:
Like there was peace for the Jews under the Ottoman's rule for 800 years you mean? History does not agree with your 'solution'. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 24th, 2011 at 9:20am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 8:47am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain Jews were far better off under Muslim rule, then Palestinians under Jewish rule. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 24th, 2011 at 10:28am Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:52pm:
Which is the EXACT 'solution' to the problem of Israel, which the ISLAMISTS propose. Trust me on this bobby, there will never, ever, be peace in the M.E., as a consequence of mankind's efforts [we, mankind, are too wicked, for peace to 'breakout' in the M.E.]. We, mankind, are too wicked to ever allow, what peace would require of us. And therein lays a riddle, within a riddle. But mankind are too dumb, to figure it out. A rod of iron is coming upon men. And then suddenly, men will 'understand' their error! /sarc off Sadly, it is truth. +++ Luke 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 24th, 2011 at 10:56am Lestat wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 9:20am:
One little question Lestat... Who was it, that recorded that moslems were the most benevolent masters of others ??? Ah, that's right it is an account of moslem 'benevolence', that was, recorded by moslems. Moslems have a 'history', of air-brushing their own history. i.e. According to moslem history, moslems were ALWAYS, the most benevolent masters of others. Lestat, You are a moslem. If a moslem assured me that the bright thing up in the sky, was the sun, I WOULD SEEK A SECOND OPINION. That, is the measure of the confidence i have in any account, which is related to me, by a moslem, by any moslem. IMO, moslems have proven themselves to be inveterate liars. Dictionary; inveterate = = having a long-standing and firmly established habit or activity. Ø (of a feeling or habit) firmly established. SEE ALSO; A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not." http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine Google, smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" JUST TWO EXAMPLES OF MOSLEM DECEIT... Example #1, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad - Speaking publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims. "......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html Example #2, An ISLAMIC scholar gives advice to muslims, who are living among non-muslims, Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece +++ TAKE NO NOTICE OF THE MOSLEM ACCOUNT OF DISTANT HISTORY, BUT INSTEAD, LOOK AT HOW MOSLEMS ACCOUNT FOR THEMSELVES, FOR THEIR ACTIONS, IN THE WORLD TODAY... Just look at how moslems will not, ever, never, confess, to the smallest sin, in all of their violence throughout the world, today. The responsibility for EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of moslem violence, is always attributed to 'the enemies of moslems'. THE RELIGION OF PEACE - daily accounts of how our would-be ''benevolent' moslem overlords behave... http://thereligionofpeace.com/ |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 24th, 2011 at 11:01am Lestat wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 9:20am:
The Jews must have different history books to yours lestat, did you write your own? You forget that the Arabs living in Israel have the highest standard of living in the Middle East. You also forget that if the Palestinians could let go of their desire to kill Jews, things might just pick up for them a little bit. Because launching rockets into Israeli towns doesn't make for good relations. But you also might like to ask why: a. do the Egyptians prefer to assist Israel to keep Palestinians in their box than aid their Muslim brothers. b. do the Lebanese keep Palestinians behind barbed wire, and treats them as second class citizens by enacting draconian employment restrictions. c. do the Jordanian tear up dual Jordanian / Palestinian passports dispite Jordanian population being 60% Palestinian along with the Kings wife being a Palestinian. d. did the Iraqi's deport them to a man. e. do the Saudi's treat them as low paid coolies. Why does their own treat them as lepers? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 24th, 2011 at 11:13am Yadda wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 10:56am:
You need only look at the 100's of examples of 'benevolence' that is 'exercised' daily, today, EVERYDAY, in the heart of ISLAM, in the heart of where Sharia has authority, in the heart of where Allah's 'perfect' religion has authority, to EXPOSE the lies which moslems spread, about their own 'benevolence'. Google; saudi, maid abuse Google; iran, rape in prisons The truth is that; MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS. MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS. MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS. MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS. MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS. MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS. THEY DO IT [deceiving the 'unbelievers'], FOR ALLAH. THEY JUSTIFY deceiving the 'unbelievers', AS THEIR PART IN THE JIHAD, against the 'unbelievers' Google; taqiyya, lying to allah's enemies |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 24th, 2011 at 11:48am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 11:01am:
chicken, Lestat will never answer you on this one. Let me..... Google; palestinians, renowned for their treachery chicken, Even the God of Israel hates those people known as 'Palestinians' - because of their treachery as a people. And there are references in the Bible, to their legendary treachery. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 24th, 2011 at 4:15pm Lestat wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 9:20am:
American Poll: 40% of Jerusalem Arabs prefer Israel US poll: almost 40% of east Jerusalem Arabs prefer to live under Israeli sovereignty; 30% didn't answer Published: 01.13.11 WASHINGTON – The future of Jerusalem is considered one of the core issues in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations and one of the most significant obstacles to a permanent agreement between the two sides. However, it appears that on the Palestinian side, those who l More..ive in Jerusalem have already made their decision on the matter – and the Palestinian Authority leadership in Ramallah may not like it. A public opinion poll carried out by American Pechter Middle East Polls for the Council on Foreign Relations together with the head of the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, Dr. Nabil Kukali, showed that if Jerusalem were divided as part of a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, east Jerusalem Arabs would prefer to live under Israeli sovereignty. The poll, which comprised the residents of east Jerusalem's 19 Arab neighborhoods, also pointed out that their opposition to Jerusalem's division is so intense that they would rather move to a new home within Israel's borders rather than live under the authority of a Palestinian state. The study also showed that Jerusalem's Palestinian residents were interested in keeping their Israeli Identity cards and enjoying the State's health and social benefits. Some 35% of them said that Israeli citizenship is their preferred citizenship and only 30% chose to be citizens of the future Palestinian state. An additional 30% said that they didn't know, or preferred not to answer the question. And what would the neighbors say? When asked "if most people in your neighborhood” would prefer to become citizens of Palestine or of Israel: 31% estimated that most people prefer Palestinian citizenship; 39% estimated that most people prefer Israeli citizenship; and 30% declined to answer or said they didn’t know. It would seem that the residents of east Jerusalem are willing to pay a high price in order to carry the blue Israeli identity card: 40% said they would move in order to remain Israeli citizens if their neighborhood was transferred to Palestinian sovereignty. In contrast, only 29% said that if the opposite were to occur, and their neighborhood remained under Israel's authority they would move to an area under Palestinian authority. In addition to the social benefits, those who chose Israeli citizenship most often mentioned freedom of movement in Israel, higher income and better job opportunities. Those who chose Palestinian citizenship overwhelmingly cited nationalism and patriotic reasons as their primary motivation. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bb_1294924132 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 24th, 2011 at 6:36pm
...it really isn't up to 'just' either Israelis or Islamists in regards to their futures.
They will Unite - they have no choice in the matter, especially when they find out that Unification is their only chance of survival - in a very different world to the one that existed in regards to their Religious Writings born upon Asian (Holy City) and African (Holy Land) influences like some "Use By Date" long expired. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 25th, 2011 at 9:23am Yadda wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 10:56am:
Actually, in Cordoba Spain (Al-Andalus) it was recorded by Jews mainly, as well as Arabs and Christians. But nice try Yadda! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 25th, 2011 at 9:35am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 11:01am:
Actually, many jews themselves describe this time as their golden age. Some of the greatest Jewish scholars and philosophers flourished under Islamic rule. THe jewish view of Al-Andalus was very positive, until the 60's, when the zionists changed history once again, as this view was not acceptable for their propaganda war and lies. chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 11:01am:
lol, yeah righit. Is this before or after they have their homes bulldozed. And lets not mention the hundreds of disciminatory laws against Israeli Arabs. Do you also believe your own sh(t smells like roses? chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 11:01am:
Yeah, 50 years of persecution and theft will do that. You seem to fail to grasp the idea that when you oppress people, they will wish to do harm back to you. If you don't want rockets launched at you, then p(ss off back to Europe where you came from. Stop stealing from people, killing their children, and then they won't fight back. Cause that is your issue isn't it. You want Israel to have the right to kill and steal with immunity, without the Palestinians fighting back. Those pesky Palestinians...why don't they just surrender, and die silently. chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 11:01am:
I don't need to ask, I already know the answer. In all those examples, the leaders of those countries are/were nothing but US puppets. Mubarak, King Hussien, the Saudi's have shown time and time again, that their allegiances are to the western masters, and not their own people. But things are changing...Mubarak the pig has already been removed. The Egyptians people are getting their wish, and the Gaza crossing will shortly be opened. Jordan will soon follow suit, and when the Saudi criminals family falls, the rest of the arabs will follow. You puppet rulers will then be gone, and when that happens, no one will save you. You should beg for forgiveness now, whilst you have the chance. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 25th, 2011 at 9:37am Yadda wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 11:48am:
What was that Yadda? Never? I just did you fool. Another one of your 'predictions' coming true hey. Your track record mirrors that of your 'bible'. After all, its not known as the greatest selling fiction book of all time, for nothing. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 25th, 2011 at 9:39am Soren wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
Hey Soreass, If I wanted you to post Israeli propaganda I would of asked. Liveleak...pfft. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 25th, 2011 at 10:02am Lestat wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 9:35am:
You also forget the Israeli Knesset has 14 Arabs as sitting members, and the IDF has one Arab General when you waffle on about any 'discriminatory laws' against Israeli Arabs. And the standard of living in Israel is a matter of public record, whether you choose to ignore it or not. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 25th, 2011 at 11:01am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 10:02am:
May the God of all creation bless him, protect him, and guide him. And may the God of all creation bless, protect, and guide all those who love truth, and repent their error. +++ Psalms 146:8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous: Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Psalms 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 25th, 2011 at 11:31am Lestat wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 9:35am:
Is this the same 'Golden Age' in Spain where in 1492, King Ferdinand made a royal decree expelling the 150,000 Jews in that country? You sure the 'Golden Age' wasn't a Spanish saying, after they stole the Jews gold and forced them out of the country at the point of a sword. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 25th, 2011 at 11:32am
Yadda,
Please stop putting your religious writings here. I can't even be bothered reading it. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 25th, 2011 at 11:57am Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 11:32am:
Clearly that is not true. And clearly, you have an overwhelming desire to read my 'religious' posts.... ....otherwise you would not bother. Or at least, you would pass over my posts, without reading them. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 25th, 2011 at 12:07pm Yadda wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 11:57am:
Keep up the good work yadda. Those that don't wish to read the scriptures don't have to. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 25th, 2011 at 12:32pm Yadda wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 11:57am:
bobby, I hereby FORBID YOU, to read my posts. This is done with your own best interests in mind, because i don't want you to have a fit. So do not read my posts in future, as i know that my worldview often offends you. +++ There, is that of any help to you bobby ??? ;D And p.s. YOU SHOULD NOT BE READING THIS POST BOBBY!!! SO STOP IT!, ....OR YOU WILL GO BLIND. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 25th, 2011 at 1:09pm
Betya if 10,000 Cronulla boys turned up to 'socialise' with religious boys (now you know why the Sharks never win the Grand Final ;)) - every Moslem, Jew and Christian will be holding hands and singing "Kum-bi-ya" together.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 25th, 2011 at 1:20pm
Yadda - I did read your last post & I accept it as an apology.
You are forgiven unconditionally. And so it is. Namaste. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 25th, 2011 at 1:37pm It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 1:09pm:
Jasignature, On my own account, you would lose such a bet. I cannot speak for anyone else, and i do not speak for Jewish people, but, knowing what i know, about Judaism, ....and knowing what i know, about ISLAM... ...i would separate myself from moslems, and i would stand beside the Jewish person, to my cost, to the cost of my life if need be. I could never in good conscience stand with a person who CHOOSES to embrace ISLAM. My God would curse me if i did. And i understand WHY he would. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 26th, 2011 at 12:52am
Let Australia be the judge of that Yadda. :-*
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 26th, 2011 at 9:28am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 11:31am:
lol...you clearly have no idea. You do realise that King Ferdinand was Christian...don't you? What you describe occurred when the Christians conquered Spain from the muslims. Not sure what relevance the actions of King Ferdinand has when we are discussing Jews 'under Islamic rule'. Are you really this dopey, or are you just pretending? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 26th, 2011 at 9:45am Lestat wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 9:28am:
So it wasn't that 'golden age' then? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 26th, 2011 at 1:05pm
The period of great literary blossoming of Jewish history in Spain ended with the career of Moses Maimonides. When the Almohades from Africa conquered Córdoba in 1148 and threatened the Jewish community with the choice of conversion to Islam, death, or exile, Maimonides's family, along with most other Jews, chose exile.
Abd al-Mumin…the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi …captured Tlemcen [in the Maghreb] and killed all those who were in it, including the Jews, except those who embraced Islam…[In Sijilmasa] One hundred and fifty persons were killed for clinging to their [Jewish] faith…All the cities in the Almoravid [dynastic rulers of North Africa and Spain prior to the Almohads] state were conquered by the Almohads. One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh. The Jews in all [Maghreb] localities [conquered]…groaned under the heavy yoke of the Almohads; many had been killed, many others converted; none were able to appear in public as Jews…Large areas between Seville and Tortosa [in Spain] had likewise fallen into Almohad hands. Our hearts are disquieted and our souls are affrighted at every moment that passes, for we have no security or stability…Past persecutions and former decrees were directed against those who remained faithful to the Law of Israel and kept them tenaciously so that they would even die for the sake of Heaven. In the event that they submitted to their demands, [our enemies] would extol and honor them. . . But in the present persecutions, on the contrary, however much we appear to obey their instructions to embrace their religion and forsake our own, they burden our yoke and render our travail more arduous. . . .Behold the hardships of the apostates of our land who completely abandoned the faith and changed their attire on account of these persecutions. But their conversion has been of no avail to them whatsoever, for they are subjected to the same vexations as those who have remained faithful to their creed. Indeed, even the conversion of their fathers or grandfathers…has been of no advantage to them. If we were to consider the persecutions that have befallen us in recent years, we would not find anything comparable recorded by our ancestors in their annals. We are made the object of inquisitions; great and small testify against us and judgments are pronounced, the least of which render lawful the spilling of our blood, the confiscation of our property, and the dishonor of our wives. … the [Muslim] custodians are able to dispose of our young children and their belongings as they see fit. If they were given to an individual who feared Allah, then he would endeavor to educate the children in his religion, for one of their principles is that all children are originally born as Muslims and only their parents bring them up as Jews, Christians, or Magians. Thus, if this individual educates them in [what they state is] their original religion [i.e., Islam] and does not leave the children with those [i.e., the Jews] that will abduct them therefrom, he will obtain a considerable reward from Allah… … We were prohibited to practice commerce, which is our livelihood, for there is no life without the food to sustain our bodies and clothes to protect them from the heat and cold. The latter can only be obtained through trade for this is their source and cause, without which its effect, namely our existence, would disappear. In so doing their design was to weaken our strong and annihilate our weak… … Then they imposed upon us distinctive garments…As for the decree enforcing the wearing of long sleeves, its purpose was to make us resemble the inferior state of women, who are without strength. They were intended by their length to make us unsightly, whereas their color was to make us loathsome… The purpose of these distinctive garments is to differentiate us from among them so that we should be recognized in our dealings with them without any doubt, in order that they might treat us with disparagement and humiliation. . . Moreover it allows our blood to be spilled with impunity. For whenever we travel on the wayside from town to town, we are waylaid by robbers and brigands and are murdered secretly at night or killed in broad daylight… Now, the purpose of the persecution of Ishmael, whether they require us to renounce our religion in public or in private is only to annihilate the faith of Israel and consequently one is bound to accept death rather than commit the slightest sin . . . as did the martyrs of Fez, Sijilmasa, and Dar’a. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 26th, 2011 at 1:07pm
The Epistle to the Jews of Yemen provides an unflinchingly honest view of what Maimonides thought of the Muslim prophet Muhammad, or “the Madman” as he calls him, and about Islam generally. Maimonides writes:
You write that the rebel leader in Yemen decreed compulsory apostasy for the Jews by forcing the Jewish inhabitants of all the places he had subdued to desert the Jewish religion just as the Berbers had compelled them to do in Maghreb [i.e.Islamic West]. Verily, this news has broken our backs and has astounded and dumbfounded the whole of our community. And rightly so. For these are evil tidings, “and whosoever heareth of them, both his ears tingle (I Samuel 3:11).” Indeed our hearts are weakened, our minds are confused, and the powers of the body wasted because of the dire misfortunes which brought religious persecutions upon us from the two ends of the world, the East and the West, “so that the enemies were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side.” (Joshua 8:22). Maimonides makes clear that the unrelenting persecutions of the Jews by the Muslims is tantamount to forced conversion: …the continuous persecutions will cause many to drift away from our faith, to have misgivings, or to go astray, because they witnessed our feebleness, and noted the triumph of our adversaries and their dominion over us… He then notes: “After him arose the Madman who emulated his precursor since he paved the way for him. But he added the further objective of procuring rule and submission, and he invented his well known religion.” Medieval Jewish writers often referred to Muhammad as ha-meshugga, Madman—the Hebrew term, as historian Norman Stillman has observed wryly, being “pregnant with connotations.” |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 26th, 2011 at 1:10pm
Maimonides makes this striking distinction between Christians and Muslims, regarding the teaching of the commandments and their explanations, because of the unique threat posed by Muslims due to their doctrinal intolerance:
…it is permitted to teach the commandments and the explanations according to [rabbinic] law to the Christians, but it is prohibited to do likewise for the Muslims. You know, in effect, that according to their belief this Torah is not from heaven and if you teach them something, they will find it contrary to their tradition, because their practices are confused and their opinions bizarre mippnei she-ba’uu la-hem debariim be-ma`asiim [because a mish-mash of various practices and strange, inapplicable statements were received by them.] What [one teaches them] will not convince them of the falseness of their opinions, but they will interpret it according to their erroneous principles and they will oppress us. [F]or this reason…they hate all [non-Muslims] who live among them. It would then just be a stumbling block for the Israelites who, because of their sins, are in captivity among them. On the contrary, the uncircumcised [Christians] admit that the text of the Torah, such as we have it, is intact. They interpret it only in an erroneous way and use it for purposes of the allegorical exegesis that is proper to them Ve-yirmezuu bah ha-remaziim hay-yedu`iim la-hem [They would exchange secret signs known only to them.] If one informs them about the correct interpretation, there is hope that they will return from their error, and even if they do not, there is not stumbling block for Israel, for they do not find in their religious law any contradiction with ours. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 26th, 2011 at 2:13pm Soren wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Ah, must be this 'Golden Age' LeGoose was waffling on about. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Prevailing on May 26th, 2011 at 3:48pm Soren wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
The Jews are New Covenant deniers - heck, they deny Jeremiah 31:31-34, they deny Daniel 9:24-25... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 26th, 2011 at 5:00pm Prevailing wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 3:48pm:
God isn't 'done', with the Jewish people. And the Jewish people still have a part to play, in God's plans. The Jewish people are God's bonded 'workmen' [...including, even those Jews who do not realise what they are, nor realise what role they are playing in his plan, for them, and for all of mankind]. I believe [from reading, studying the Bible], that the Jewish people are God's 'standard' to all mankind [a flag waving in the wind?]; "Hey look! These people have my laws! I have revealed myself, to THIS PEOPLE. Pay attention to what they tell you, about me!" I believe that [a spiritual] God, established his chosen people [physical Israel, and secured the record of their history, the OT], as a 'signpost' to all mankind. I can understand that those who reject the authority of, and the 'narrative' within the Bible, would also not give such an idea any credence. So be it. IMO, physical Israel, is a physical manifestation, to the physical world of men, pointing to a rebellious relationship, which mankind has with our God. Physical 'Israel', are part of a spiritual analogy [which today, is still playing out]. The Jewish people are part of a spiritual analogy. In being 'chosen', the children of Jacob did not receive a 'privileged' path. But rather, the Jewish people were fated, 'chosen', to travel a much more difficult path. IMO, there is an analogy expressed within the bible, that the 'burden' of God's people [in being 'chosen' ! ] is to wander this world [demonstrating in their very 'public' 'flag waving' journey, mankind's 'rebellion'! against God], until they find [will finally choose!] redemption. ....until they find [come to] their 'promised land'! Zechariah 12:10 Isaiah 26 Isaiah 59 IMO, the purpose of this life, is merely so that we can [individually] demonstrate, plainly, if we want to live in the light, or if we want to live in the darkness. Sadly, much of mankind will choose the darkness [i believe]. The nature of the wicked, compel them [to remain in rebellion]. Jesus pointed to mankind's rebellious nature in some of his parables; The tares Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43 The lost son Luke 15:11-32 The wicked tenants Luke 20:9-15 IMO, The Jewish people are not cursed. The Jewish people are God's bonded 'workmen'. All mankind are the 'prodigal sons & daughters' of our spiritual father [see the parable at Luke 15:11]. Dictionary; redemption = = 1 the action of redeeming someone or something, or of being redeemed. 2 a thing that saves someone from error or evil. redemption, "a thing that saves someone from error..." All mankind are the 'lost sheep' of God, and physical Israel were [and are] God bonded 'workmen'. And today spiritual [and physical] Israel are [will be] the firstfruits of the 'harvest' of mankind. ...i am certain, of that. Jeremiah 50:4 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God. 5 They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. 6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. 7 All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers. Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: *and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced*, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. +++ But hey, Prevailing, if you and other Jew haters think that you know better than God's word, well hey, go you own way. "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee..." Numbers 22:10 And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying, 11 Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out. 12 And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed. But hey, Prevailing, the word of God, is just an ancient 'fairytale'. Right ? Numbers 24:10 And Balak's anger was kindled against Balaam, and he smote his hands together: and Balak said unto Balaam, I called thee to curse mine enemies, and, behold, thou hast altogether blessed them these three times. 12 And Balaam said unto Balak....saying, 13 If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the commandment of the LORD, ...but what the LORD saith, that will I speak? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 26th, 2011 at 5:40pm Prevailing wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 3:48pm:
Jeremiah 51:20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; The Jews. Isaiah 26:17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD. 18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen. 19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 27th, 2011 at 9:11am Soren wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Yet when Maimonides went into exile...where did he go Soreass? Did he go back to Christian Europe...to join those Christians he so loved?? No he didn't, he went and joined Sultan Salah Al-Din as an adviser. Otherwise known to you and the west as Saladin. So even in exile he chose Islamic rule over that of Christian. This historical fact flies in the face of the propaganda crap you posted. You see, instead of copying and pasting the first link on google which you think supports your ignorant views, I suggest you actually read a book and learn about history. Yes, Abd al-Mumin did mistreat the jews, however, this is but one ruler in a rule of Spain with lasted 600 years, the majority of which Jews, Christians and muslims all prospered under Islamic rule. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 27th, 2011 at 9:12am Soren wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Yet when in exile, he chose once again to live with muslims, rather then with Christians. He chose to serve an Islamic ruler, rather then serve a Christian ruler. How do you explain that? And anyone who honestly thinks that the Torah is 'intact' is either on serious drugs, or is seriously deluded. Most Bible scholars, archeologists and even Jewish rabbi's today accept the the Torah of today was written during the Babylonian exile, which is approx (using the accepted Biblical time lines) 1000 years after the exodus. Even they are basing this on writings which were estimated to be written at approx. 700-800 BC (the E writers). So todays Torah was written 1000 years after the exodus, based on texts which were collated 400-500 years after the exodus. So its quite clear, believing that the 'Torah' is in tact is a sign of delusion. Right up there with believing that 3 = 1 (the trinity) and that God was a man that wiped his ass like the rest of us. When it comes to delusions, you guys are the experts. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 27th, 2011 at 9:14am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 9:45am:
I did say 'golden age' under Islamic rule...or did you miss that bit. lol...why don't you tell us once again about the Islamic ruler 'King Ferdinand' and his wife 'Isabella'. Seriously...why do you even bother, all you manage to do is make yourself look foolish. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 27th, 2011 at 9:15am chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 2:13pm:
lol...says the fool that thought Ferdinand was a muslim. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Lestat on May 27th, 2011 at 9:16am
ah, the rapture.
Spoken like a true Christian zionist nutjob Yadda. If only the Israeli's knew what the likes of you have in store waiting for them. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 27th, 2011 at 9:44am
Religious 'Brown' people of the Middle-East: Jews, Christians & Moslems. Yes, they do wear brown clothes and many do have 'brown' hair just like Europeans as surely as Pale-skinned Raven haired people of the Occidental 'Grey' region have dark hair like South Americans.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 27th, 2011 at 9:47am Lestat wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 9:16am:
'What the likes of myself', have in store for Israelis/Jews ??? Not me, Lestat. +++ Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. +++ But Lestat, Moslems have no 'error'. That is true isn't it Lestat ??? ;D LOL Whereas the Jewish people, when they realise their error, they will repent. Why so? Because the Jew is a reasonable person. But a moslem will require a rod of iron, before he will [pretend to] repent before God. God knows, what is in the moslem heart. Enmity, envy, hatred, REBELLION. Isaiah 29:15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Psalms 94:1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. 2 Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. 3 LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph? 4 How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves? 5 They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage. 6 They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless. 7 Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it. 8 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise? 9 He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see? 10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know? 11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 27th, 2011 at 10:38am Yadda wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 9:47am:
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. God's mercy, is for the repentant soul. Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. But for God's enemies, for those with an "impenitent heart". Isaiah 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies: Dictionary; impenitent = = not feeling shame or regret. repent = = feel or express sincere regret or remorse. NT... Luke 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Jasignature on May 27th, 2011 at 10:43am
Jews, Christians and Moslems feed off one another and use conflict to further their gains.
Australians have had enough of this rubbish, especially by x3 monotheisms that reflect the whims of Asia, Europe and Africa more than they do of the Middle-East itself. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on May 27th, 2011 at 11:28am Lestat wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 9:12am:
He didn't speak Latin. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 27th, 2011 at 1:08pm
Egypt opened the Gaza strip border crossing today - forever.
It's a new world now! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 27th, 2011 at 2:02pm Lestat wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 9:15am:
So it's not this 'golden age' either. I think you better lend a hand here, seeing as you don't like the first two options. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on May 27th, 2011 at 2:26pm Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Egypt had control of the Gaza strip before they lost control of it to Israel as a result of the 1967 war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#Egyptian_control Some of you need to learn a little history- http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Israel Abu and leshit should click on intifada and let us know if they have the right definition. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on May 27th, 2011 at 2:32pm |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Prevailing on May 27th, 2011 at 8:02pm Yadda wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 5:00pm:
G_d has restored Israel, Judah walks in blindness and outer darkness. Quote:
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 28th, 2011 at 3:37pm Prevailing wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 8:02pm:
Let the scales drop from your blinded eyes... 8-) [/quote] Enlighten me. What will be the fate of the Jewish people ??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29th, 2011 at 1:21am Quote:
One good possibility is to live somewhere else in the world where they'll be safe. A place called New Israel. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1306100987/45#45 May I add that maybe we need another country called New Israel in Australia because the Jews could help defend us too. After all - we are only 22 million people living on a whole continent. The rest of the world will get greedy eyes one day to come here. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Amadd on May 29th, 2011 at 2:13am
It might not be such a bad idea to create a New Israel within our borders. I like it.
We will ultimately become their slaves, ..but what does that really matter when we are pissed off with this same slavery already? We can choose another form of slavery, where we are free of muzzies and other religions which don't fit the jew rendition. I'll happily convert to Judaism, ..because I don't believe in any of the crap anyway. It won't mean a single thing for me as an athiest. I'll even wear one of those stupid little caps as I shove off muzzies to detention areas in Fiji or wherever. Yes..good idea...come here and rape our wealth jewboy. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29th, 2011 at 10:49am
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No we wouldn't. I believe that the Jews are just like anyone else - they want to live in peace & prosperity - it's just that Israel was a mistake - it was never going to work when they are surrounded & out numbered by Arabs. The alternative is to wait until the whole thing blows up into a nuclear war one day. http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/israelithreats.html Quote:
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29th, 2011 at 11:15am
Further reading:
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Prevailing on May 29th, 2011 at 11:26am Yadda wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 3:37pm:
Enlighten me. What will be the fate of the Jewish people ??? [/quote] They are enjoying that right now in the New Age - and can you truly say they have Abraham as their father? 8-) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 29th, 2011 at 11:39am
Prevailing - what on earth are you trying to say?
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 30th, 2011 at 6:17am Prevailing wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 11:26am:
God knows. It is clear, that at times, God has not been at all happy with the conduct of [the whole house, of the children of] Israel. Isaiah 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Amos 9:7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir? 8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD. 9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. 10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us. From the Song of Moses [predicting that Israel would often show little regard for their God, and be ungrateful, and be unmindful of him]... Deuteronomy 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation. 16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. 18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. But God says, that in the end, Israel [including the Jewish people] will be redeemed out of their error. No ??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 30th, 2011 at 6:19am Bobby. wrote on May 29th, 2011 at 11:39am:
God knows, bobby. ;) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on May 30th, 2011 at 7:06am Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 6:19am:
I think he must be drinking to write such nonsense. Maybe cooking sherry? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Prevailing on May 30th, 2011 at 11:12am Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 6:17am:
How are the Jewish people the tribe of Judah? they have no patrilineal descent from Israel (Jacob) and the Patriarchs none at all, the Jewish people trace their heritage through the mothers line - they are a fatherless generation. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 30th, 2011 at 11:34am Prevailing wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 11:12am:
I guess that if that were strictly true, then no person alive today, could claim to be a Jew [insofar, as a 'Jew' is a person whose antecedent was the patriarch Judah]. But the Jews do make the claim, that their fatherly antecedent was the patriarch Judah. I certainly could not tell you what was the 'basis', the 'makup' of my family, 10 generations back, following the male back, 10 generations. Does that mean that i do not exist ? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 30th, 2011 at 11:44am Prevailing wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 11:12am:
If all of the female, generational children, coming out of the patriarch Judah, claim that they are Jewish, are you making a claim that that all of those persons are not Jewish ??? On what basis ? Aren't they the legitimate descendants of Judah, even if 'only' from a female line ? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on May 30th, 2011 at 12:13pm Prevailing wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 11:12am:
Back in the 1930-40's the Nazis seemed very satisfied that Jews [the legitimate descendants of Judah], came from a female line. In fact, i would wager that if a person back in the 1930-40's had said, "I am a Jew.", ....that that, would have 'satisfied' the Nazis. Correct ??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Prevailing on May 30th, 2011 at 2:19pm Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 11:34am:
You may lay claim to what ever you like, but you do see the problem here as well as the rest of us. Just because you say you are a descendant of Israel via Judah, does not mean the rest of us have to believe or acknowledge your Hebrew origin claims. To claim yourself as the Chosen people you must assert your ancestors and your G_d smiles favor upon bastardry, hardly Patriarchal. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:01am
Just heard on the news this morning -
the Jews killed another 18 innocent peaceful protesters at a border in Israel. Shame |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:16am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:01am:
Not much shame really. The Arabs were warned verbally in 2 languages first, then warning shots were fired over their heads, after that then warning shots were fired at their feet and they still kept coming anyway in an attempt to cross the border into Israel. The Mexicans find the same reaction from the US border guards when trying to jump the fence into the US so in this it is no different. Perhaps the Syrian protesters thought the Israeli's were going to help them celebrate their 1967 flogging. Obviously, not today. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:19am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:01am:
Yairs... Guess Bashir needs all the diversion he can get after his thugs tortured and bashed a 13 year old boy to death. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:20am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:01am:
And how does that compare with the 38 Syrians killed by Syrian Security forces in the last 2 days, or the 1,100 killed since mid-march?? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:32am
They weren't killed by Jews gizmo.
It makes all the difference in the world to some apparently. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:35am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:32am:
Yeah, that's what I figured.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:40am
"Peaceful protesters".....Who charged across a (Syrian) minefield and tried to cut through barbwire???
Guess they were in a hurry to get close to the Israeli soldiers, so they could put flowers in the gun barrels... And the molotov cocktails were for making cooking fires, so the protesters could cook the soldiers some breakfast, right?? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:48am
Not in this life Gizmo.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:24am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 9:01am:
bobby, You seem to me, to be illiterate. Is that correct ??? Dictionary; peaceful = = 1 free from disturbance; calm. 2 not involving war or violence. 3 inclined to avoid conflict. Google; palestinian media watch, peacefully slaughter the jews bobby, Reasoning, all comes down to how we define things in this world, doesn't it ? bobby, n.b. The 'Palestinians' have a state, and a homeland, it is called JORDAN. 'PEACEFUL' PROTESTERS, ON THE ISRAELI/SYRIAN BORDER [2011-05]... IMAGE... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:58am
Yadda,
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:03pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:58am:
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.. without justifiable cause. Didn't those protesters knowingly breach an established military defence line? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:07pm Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 11:44am:
No, that's not true, bill... The female line descent rule is mostly used only when a person born to a non jewish father and an ex-jewish mother (who converted to the father's religion) wants to convert to Judaism, to streamline the conversion process.. Any person born to two jewish parents IS jewish, and there are patrilineal lines, going back to Jacob... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:10pm
The Arabs went over the fenceline and some cut through the fenceline to seek confrontation, and they found the IDF happy to accomodate them just like those violent 'peace activists on the Mavi Marmara did.
I don't see 'premediatated murder' in what the IDF did. The Arabs could have turned back and made their point where they stood considering they already had the media cameras on them and no bullets would have been fired let alone people killed. But that wasn't enough for them. They sought martyrdom and found it. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:22pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:10pm:
They also could have turned back when the first warning shots were fired over their heads.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:25pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:58am:
Exactly Bobby..."UNLAWFUL"....Under what law is forceably violating, or crossing, the border of a foreign, sovereign nation 'lawful'???? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Equitist on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:34pm Surely, even Jews are subject to some kind of religious-cum-moral doctrine that expressly prohibits pre-meditated killing!? Or, is this a case of some humans being deemed inherently more or less worthy than others!? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:37pm
Syria organised this to take the heat off the fact the Syrian regime is killing its own people.
If a jew kill someone well muslims and Islamic apologists are outraged yet these morally bankrupt people are silent about muslims slaughtering muslims. The Quran has a verse that applies to Jews, muslims take this verse out of context by leaving out the first bit. Since when did muslims become known as the children of Israel? http://quran.com/5/32 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:44pm Equitist wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:34pm:
Of course they do....as does pretty much every country/culture in the world... But how do you get 'pre-meditated' out of a group or person, be they police, military or civilian, responding to an attack involving petrol bombs and the breach of a clearly defined international border in the face of repeated warnings, both verbal (in several languages) AND warning shots??? Shooting someone who is trying to attack and/or injure or kill YOU is NOT pre-meditated.....no matter how you spin it, and no matter who the injured party is... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:59pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:25pm:
The land they entered into was under unlawful occupation by Israel. Therefore it's murder. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 1:07pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
No bobby...it's quite legal, under international law....to everyone else, except the assorted Arab countries.. Conquest by winning a war IS legal..America, Australia and numerous other countries exist because of it.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 1:09pm
Gizmo.
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 1:18pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 1:09pm:
I don't cook with sherry....and it tastes like crap..I don't drink ANY red wine, or derivatives (except the occasional glass or port)... Is Israel recognised by the UN and western countries??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 6th, 2011 at 2:08pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
You don't have much of a grip on reality now do you. Do you imagine that those Arab armies rampaging across the Israeli frontier all those times were going to hand the land back after driving the Israeli's into the sea? That land on the Golan Heights is under the jurisdiction of Israel, has done so since 1967, and the ownership was tested again in 1973 where is has remained Israeli. It's not Israel's fault the Arabs can't make war. They have had four goes at it and failed. In fact, they should be extremely satisfied that they only lost the Golan Heights and Gaza. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 2:40pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 2:08pm:
What if a million Arab protesters storm the borders? Are they going to kill 1 million of them? That is what Israel is worried about! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 3:36pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 2:40pm:
So numbers make 'right'?? The last 4 Arab attacks on Israel haven't worked out too well , have they?? Numbers isn't the idea of 'winners' in ANY conflict.. Or do you think that numbers make 'right'?? Is it a justifcation that who ever has the 'most' warm bodies is in the 'right'??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 4:12pm
It's called people power.
Remember Marcos in the Philipines! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 6th, 2011 at 4:52pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 2:40pm:
To begin with, the Syrian government wouldn't have a million supporters which is why they are spending alot of time killing their own people. Once again, you are mixing reality with fantasy. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 6:02pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 2:40pm:
Of course they would. Most Arab nations are still technically at war with Israel. A million Arabs storming Israeli defence lines would constitute an act of war and in that case they'd want to mow down as many as breach the lines. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:11pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 6:02pm:
That's a lot of blood! I just saw on TV tonight ABC - 23 people killed & 350 wounded by the Jews. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:14pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:11pm:
About as many as were killed in Iraq every couple of hours over the last few years... We (Australians) were there for that one. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:21pm
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:32pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:21pm:
My point is if you're not happy about 23 protesters being killed, you must be psychotic about the death toll in Iraq. The protesters chose to breach the defence line knowing full well the Israelis would respond ultimately with lethal force. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:39pm Quote:
I am very unhappy about all people who are murdered. The right to live as a fundamental human right. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:55pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:39pm:
Do you think George W Bush should stand trial at the Hague and John Howard face a Royal Commission to account for what he knew and when about the fabricated pretext to the Iraqi war ? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by Equitist on Jun 6th, 2011 at 8:25pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:55pm:
I do - primarily on moral grounds (crimes against humanity) but also because of the enormous waste and opportunity costs associated with wanton warmongering! Oh, and because that level of dishonesty, deception and waste ought to be automatically deemed treasonous! |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 6th, 2011 at 10:34pm Equitist wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 8:25pm:
I'm interested that so few of us will even touch on whether a Royal Commission should be established to examine whether the Australian (Howard) government was complicit in advancing the lie about the pretext for war with Iraq. Maybe because we all know that it should happen, but the majority of us were so caught up with such banal and pathetic sloganeering as, "We don't cut and run" and "We Australians stay till the job is done"... It flattered us in the way compliments flatter a teenager... That and it made us feel important to Americans (As Bush so cynically realised when hosting Howard). |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:37pm
You guys are off topic.
Bob Hawke had a good idea on TV a few days ago. He wanted a Marshall Plan to help the Palestinian economy & education recover - named from the famous Marshall Plan after WW2 - which was a great success. His idea is that the problems stem from poverty & lack of education & not politics. Instead what do we have? A blocade where the Pallys can't even get concrete to rebuild their shattered cities. They even receive out of date medical supplies. There are next to no jobs or industry - poor if any education except learning the Koran. Everyone just survives on handouts - as beggars. How can that be a recipe for peace? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:06am NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:55pm:
I think howard and downer have questions to answer about what they knew about the kickbacks paid to saddam for the wheat contract. What is the point in having sanctions against saddam then giving him kickbacks via our wheat board a certian amount of hypocrisy from JWH in violating the sanctions then accusing saddam of doing the same. Do you think saddam should still be in power? Do you think saddam could have done a better job for the Iraqi people? Saddam gassed thousands of kurds his relative had a nickname chemical Ali. Saddam slaughtered shia muslims with helicopter gunships. Saddam started a lengthy war with Iran Saddam invaded and conquered Kuwait should we have kicked him back to Iraq or let him do as he pleased? The UN had a 24 hour No Fly Zone enforced in Iraq to stop Saddam from using his helicopter gunships against Iraqis. This NFZ was in place for many years costing lots in jet fuel for F16- F18 fighters to enforce it. Do you think we should have stayed with an indefinite NFZ and sanctions against saddam till he handed power to his sons hoping they might do a better job? When they started tearing down the saddam statues after the usual speed bump type resistance that arab armies put up against a trained fighting force (the jews are the only ones who can really fight in the ME) things were looking OK so why did it go from champagne to sh1t? 1. From what i hear the idea was to give the Jihadis a theatre where they could fight and take out their frustration and better their back yard than ours so Iraq it was. I will leave it to the tin foil hat brigade to determine the truth in this. 2.By not securing Iraq's borders every Jihadist in the area had somewhere to play. 3.Moqtada al sadr and his mahdi army were shia muslims we all know saddam was a sunni the sectarian violence between these sects goes back to the battle of the camel. Moqtada was exiled from Iraq under saddams rule and being a shia where do you think he was Iran perhaps? How did moqtada and his mahdi army become a force in Iraq when he was exiled under saddam's rule? Do you understand Islam enough to know if mahdi army has any significance? 4.watch the video when they hung saddam listen to the chant of Moqtada paybacks are a bitch when you exile someone in the ME. I know a few Iraqi's a national dish in Iraq is simach masgoof which is smoked carp they really like it and i dont know anyone else who thinks carp is edible. They were and still are happy that the USA led a coalition of troops from many countries to get rid of saddam. The USA and UK played a large part in creating saddam the monster and they took care of the problem they created so i think its absurd to suggest anyone should face trial for disposing of that barbarian saddam hussein. It was a multinational force that took saddam out-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force%E2%80%93_Iraq Iraqi atheist hasnt posted for a while his medical studies take most of his time he lives in Baghdad you should read what he has to say..... http://iraqiatheist.blogspot.com |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:22am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:37pm:
Egypt lifted the blockade on Gaza recently does Jordan participate in blockading palestine? Palestine is a economic basket case that only survives because of foreign aid. How productive can you be when the women dont work and the men bang their heads on the ground 5 x 20 minutes a day with their asses in the air facing mecca. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians Islam is the problem take care of Islam and this problem will be solved within weeks |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:47am
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 7th, 2011 at 7:15am Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:06am:
For starters, not one of the reasons you put forward was the pretext for war with Iraq. Colin Powell openly lied to the UN to gain momentum for the 'Coalition of the Willing' (or is that 'coalition of the fawning'). You say Saddam was bad. He'd gassed the Kurds years before and all we did was tut-tutted and turned away. Mubarak, Assad and the Sauds (to name three) regularly oppressed and murdered their own people during those years... Yet not a word of war from the US. So, no, whatever angered the Bush Administration it was not Saddam's brutality, and so to act on that anger, they needed a bigger outrage than murder... A threat to the world... They concocted the lie of weapons of mass destruction and prima facie an Australian Government advanced that lie. The ministers of that government should be held to account by a Royal Commission where, under oath, we can hear that account... stripped of slogans, depoliticised, raw and (hopefully) true. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 7:56am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
Israel's 'occupation' of Samaria, Judea, and the Golan Heights is only unlawful according to the morally corrupt, bobby. i.e. Only according to ISLAMIST's and those who are apologists for ISLAMIST's. bobby, According to international law, regarding aggressor nations [i.e. in this instance, Israel's neighbours, in 1948], Israel's 'occupation' of Samaria, Judea, and the Golan Heights is completely legal... "Criminal Islamophobes desecrate mosque" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1290426159/52#52 Quote:
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:44am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:39pm:
Except for Jews, right bobby ??? You are a moral hypocrite bobby. +++ ISLAM/moslems is/are at fault. Israel wants to exist. Moslems have determined to destroy [non-MOSLEM] Israel, ....BECAUSE - Israel is a sovereign non-MOSLEM state. In this struggle between good and evil, fair and decent people, should NOT be on the side of the moslem, ISLAMIST aggressors. The Jews didn't even take that land from local moslems. The winners of WWI took that territory [along with what is modern day Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, et al] off Turkey, at the end of WWI, as 'war booty'. And it was the international community, which decided to allot the Jews that land, for their homeland. Which was, in any case, their ancient homeland. Yes, local moslems would have been displaced by that decision - by the international community. But those local moslems [i.e. the 'Palestinians'] could have simply returned to their own traditional homeland, JORDAN. Bobby, This never ending conflict between Israel and her militant ISLAMIST neighbours, isn't about a homeland or a state, for those poor stateless 'Palestinians'. This is about ISLAM, and moslems, and their determination to destroy Israel, the Jewish, non-moslem, state. And everyone conveniently 'forgets' that ISLAMIST's originally used force, to take that small strip of land which is Israel, from Christians [around 700 AD]. But no-one must every be allowed to take it back, from the moslems ??? War has always been a huge reset button on property rights. bobby, ISLAMIC doctrine states that ALL JEWS MUST FIRST BE SLAUGHTERED - BY MOSLEMS, before they [moslems] can rule the world, and judgement day can then come. The never ending moslem ['Palestinian'] aggression and conflict against Israel, and Jews, is a part of that ISLAMIC paradigm. "Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." " hadithsunnah/bukhari 004.052.177 In this struggle between good and evil, fair and decent people, should NOT be on the side of the moslem, ISLAMIST aggressors. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:02am Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:22am:
Exactly so baron. 100 x, exactly so! But with so many people around, who hold bobby's views, i'm not holding my breath. Appeasing ISLAM, and appeasing ISLAMIST aggression in the world, is not a solution to the problem of an evil, and supremacist ISLAM. ISLAM is a violent, evil, death cult. Those who would seek to appease and 'accommodate' ISLAM, are revealing their own idiocy, and their own immorality. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:17am
Yadda,
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So are all the Abrahamic religions. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:27am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 7:11pm:
Don't sweat it. The Syrian government are killing more in their lunch break every day now. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:44am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:27am:
The Syrian Government needs to be kicked out - they are all a bunch of murderers too. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:50am Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:44am:
True, but who's to say those that replaces them will be more benevolent. Or suddenly become brothers with Israel. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:05am Bobby. wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:37pm:
And when they did have concrete, it was used to build tunnels to smuggle in weapons to attack Israel with instead of rebuilding. And the only industry they do have is trying to kill jews, or educating their schoolchildren to hate jews. Their police force is the only one on the planet that carry shoulder fired anti aircraft missiles, and when the cops aren't on the beat supressing their own people, they double up as Hamas missile or mortar crew to attack Israel. And Israel taking it's boot off the throat of Hamas and those who are sworn to Israel's destruction is an even worse recipe for peace. There is no value to go back to the old days when schoolbuses and seaside cafeterias were targetted by suicide bombers. And if you care to do a bit of online research, you will find some lovely restaurants and shopping malls in Gaza nowadays filled with chubby people stuffing their faces. Not quite the 'just surviving' story we have been hearing from the islamists. Even their last census in Gaza clearly shows a growing population. As for Bob Hawke, he is a dreamer if he thinks that appeasing the terrorists will suddenly bring peace. Appeasement in national deplomacy has a zero success rate in history, and it's definitely not going to work with a people sworn to destroy Israel at all costs. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:20am Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:17am:
That is an opinion bobby, yours. But opinions which are un-substantiated by facts and evidence, ARE WORTHLESS. Firstly, ISLAM is NOT an Abrahamic religion. ISLAM is an utterly false religion, based on falsehoods, based upon the unsubstantiated testimony of one man - Mohammed. Those people who associate ISLAM with Judaism, and Christianity, are deceived by ISLAM, and by moslems. "an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/46#46 Quote:
+++ ISLAM, a falsehood, a false religion? Consider... The whole of ISLAM is based, is built upon, the the words which passed through the lips of *one* man. To believe in ISLAM, you are compelled to accept as true, the utterances of ONE single man, ...a who, according to his own testimony, was warlord, a murderer, a pirate, a brigand, a rapist, ...and, a deceiver. The validity of ISLAM in its entirety, is based upon believing the utterances of *one* deeply flawed man, Mohammed. The cult of ISLAM is a false 'religion', and ISLAM in its entirety is built upon an edifice of falsehood and lies. And many moslems are actually themselves, knowingly complicit, in the propagating of those falsehoods and lies about ISLAM. Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit, lying for islam Mohammed, was a murderer? A deceiver? On multiple occasions, it is recorded [within ISLAM's own foundation texts] that Mohammed enlisted assassins, to murder his critics. The Hadith as an ISLAMIC record, confirms that my accusation against Mohammed is true.... http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.369 +++ Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:38am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:05am:
"Appeasement in national deplomacy has a zero success rate in history, and it's definitely not going to work with a people sworn to destroy ISLAM is at war with all of 'unbelieving' mankind. That, can be easily confirmed by examining ISLAM's own foundation texts. Quote:
Google it. n.b. "Killing infidels is a small matter to us" +++ "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 "Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 2.216 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..." Koran 9.111 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:04pm
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Absolute rubbish. Judiasm, Christianity & Islam are all based on stories of Abraham from the early Jewish texts. Go back to school. You are forgiven. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 1:06pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:04pm:
You are mistaken bobby, #1, Judaism, Christianity #2, To try to establish its own 'legitimacy', ISLAM has based its own narrative, upon the original narratives, contained within the scripture of Judaism and Christianity. But as soon as it did this, ISLAM then firmly rejected the continued authenticity of those faiths, and their scriptures. Yet another lesson in the duplicity of ISLAM today..... To an uninformed, and naive Jewish and Christian audience, ....[in being established after Judaism and Christianity] ISLAM will publicly claim that ISLAM is a 'continuation', a further development, of those two faiths. When it suits their political purpose [of seeking empowerment and legitimacy for ISLAM, within a non-ISLAMIC legal environment] in their 'approachment', and in seeking 'inter-faith dialogue' with Christians and Jews, moslems will deceitfully claim that they have a friendship with Christians and Jews, and claim a spiritual brotherhood with, Christians and Jews. e.g. Moslems will wilfully, and deceitfully make the claim... "We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history". BUT, to a wholly moslem audience, ....ISLAM always declares to the 'believers' that ISLAM is a REPUDIATION of Judaism and Christianity. ISLAM itself claims, ISLAM is founded upon the repudiation, by God, of Judaism and Christianity. And that doctrinal stance is clearly confirmed by Allah, in the Koran... "....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.... ......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 Google; ISLAM is the +repudiation, of Judaism and Christianity Dictionary; repudiate = = 1 refuse to accept or be associated with. 2 deny the truth or validity of. 3 refuse to fulfil or discharge (an agreement, obligation, or debt). 4 archaic disown or divorce more here, exposing the 'inerrant' Koran... "All Terrorists are Muslims…" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1297976706/29#29 "The inerrant Koran???" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 1:21pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 12:04pm:
Correct Bobby.. Islam is simply the latest 'version' if you will, of religion based upon the same basic deity... Unfortunately, in ALL religions, the holy texts and precepts are written by humans, not the deity, and so are distorted by the human authors attitudes, life experiences and preconceptions... And further complicated by later leaders, experts and scholars.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:05pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 1:21pm:
Thanks for your support Gizmo. Yadda doesn't realise that in the first churches, The Jews would attend on Saturday, the Christians on Sunday & the Muslims on Friday - that's right - in the same church - because they worshipped the same God - the Abrahamic God. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:42pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:05pm:
If that is true bobby, then God must have had a personality transplant, when he established his new, 'perfect' religion, ISLAM. Compare how the God of the Jews expresses himself, with how the God of ISLAM expresses himself. Do you claim that they are the same God? e.g. The God of Moses [the Bible], inspired these words... The treatment of strangers ['unbelievers'] under the law of Moses; Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him... Exodus 23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger... Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself... Leviticus 25:47-49 [these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.] Deuteronomy 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. Deuteronomy 10:17-19 For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. Deuteronomy 24:17 Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge: 18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing. Deuteronomy 27:19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger... +++ Whereas, The God of the Koran and ISLAM, inspired these words... "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Koran 2.089 "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:" Koran 3.028 "O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?" Koran 4.144 "O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him." Koran 9.123 "Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment." Koran 18.102 "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......" Koran 48.029 "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed." Koran 9.073 Koran 66.009 "Unbelievers are unto you open enemies." Koran 4.101 "Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 002.216 +++ You say that.... "....Christians and moslems worship the same God." bobby, No matter how sincerely you say it, that doesn't make it so. Google; a different god allah Google; allah another god |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:57pm
bobby,
You say that.... "....Christians and moslems worship the same God." Psalms 83:16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:18pm Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:42pm:
YES Yadda..it IS the same 'god'...it's just 3 different books..written by people with three different opinions. In all of human history (200,000+ years) only THREE religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have adopted the concept of a 'one god'....all the others have a pantheon...so, like many other things in human society, they ARE related..just a slight difference of opinion as to the message.. If you do a little research into the root (basic) tenets, you find they weren't that different to start with...all the variations occured long after the original texts were written...Indeed, some variations have occurred within the last hundred years or so.. The King James version of the New Testament is very different to the original, due to literacy and problems with translation from aramaic to latin to english.. Language evolves, all the time.....'gay' used to mean happy and carefree, now it means homosexual...that's just one example.. Words and terms used in a book written 1400yrs, or 2000yrs or even 3500 yrs ago don't have the same meaning NOW that they did THEN.... And that doesn't include deliberate modifications for political or doctrinal reasons..Like the fact that Mary (the mother of jesus) WASN'T a virgin, until the 11th Century, and Christ wasn't born in December, he was born around May/June/July...December was a pagan spring festival that was taken over.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:24pm Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:57pm:
Google; 99 names of allah, including the name The Deceiver bobby, I share two Koran verses with you, "Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception. They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape." Koran 4.120 "Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;" Koran 16.27, 28 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:45pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:18pm:
gizmo, According to you the Bible contents were forever being 'revised'. But actually, the recent historic discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, has poo poo-ed such assertions, made by those wishing to discredit ancient biblical texts. Here is something i came across recently... Quote:
Google it. "....A complete scroll of Isaiah from the Dead Sea dating to just before the time of Christ is technically an exact copy of the Hebrew text...." So, a copy of the Isaiah book from before Christ's time, is 'technically' identical to copies that were available in the middle ages. That sort of demolishes your "all the variations occured long after the original texts were written" argument, doesn't is gizmo ? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 5:02pm Yadda wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:45pm:
No, actually it supports my arguement, rather than 'demolishing it' |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 7:45pm
Yadda.
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I don't believe in the Abrahamic god & neither do I believe in the sun god or the sea god or the moon god. It's all bronze age myths designed to control simpletons. Back to the topic: Do you agree with the policy of Israel murdering Palestinians who try to cross the Golan heights? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:22pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:17am:
Yeah, I know, especially those Uniting Church types - bloodsucking freaks, eh? Bobbers, when you go for inclusiv equivalence, you are jumping off a cliff, as far as whatevr argument you are trying to mount. If you don't think Islam is a violent, evil eath cult, make an argument to demosntrate the error. But saying that everyone else is the same therefore there in nothing to distinguish Islam in the violent evil death cult department is just stupid and lazy and so a load of sh!t. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:52pm Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:22pm:
Soren, Islam is no more a violent evil etc etc than any other religion is..the fact that a small bunch of loonies are hiding in, and using Islam to further an anti-western agenda, doesn't mean the ENTIRE religion works that way..Through history, many groups have used religions to promote self-serving and/or political ideals that were the opposite of the actual tenets of the religion.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:11pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:52pm:
Gizmo, like Bobbers, when you go for inclusive equivalence, you are jumping off a cliff, as far as whatever argument you are trying to mount. Islam is far more violent than any other religion currently practiced, both towards its adherent and outsiders. In Western countries, there are no violent religious practices endorsed by any church or creed. Islamic practice, on the other hand, is based on sharia which is inherently and explicitly violent. Furthermore, reformation by way of easing up on the flogging and chopping is explicitly rejected. Jihad is one of Islam's pillars. It is about fighting to spread Islam to make the whole world come under islamic jurisdiction. The ENTIRE religion works that way. Not just some loonies but the ENTIRE religion. You cannot be a Muslim and not be for sharia and jihad. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:47pm
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Rubbish. Most Muslims just want to live a peaceful life like everyone else. Their religion has been hijacked by a few extremists. They are back in the days of 1500 years ago. We got rid of the same nonsense when the catholic church lost it's power with their inquisition. The point is that all Abrahamic religion is part of a death cult. Read Deut 13:13 if you don't believe me. And - if crucifying a man in his underpants is not about a dealth cult then what is? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by helian on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:21am Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:11pm:
Well, yeah, but unless you've got Down Syndrome, you can't live too long in life without at least wishing someone dead. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:24am Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:11pm:
You are exactly correct soren. It is actually a crime, punishable by death, for a moslem to try to reform ISLAM. Why so ??? Because all good moslems consider ISLAM, to be Allah's [already] perfect religion. Ergo, the moslem 'logic' which is applied; 'How could moslems be expected to reform ISLAM, when moslems know that ISLAM is Allah's [already] perfect religion ???' i.e. All good moslems 'know' that ISLAM is Allah's [already] perfect religion, in exactly the same way that all good moslems 'know' that the words of the Koran were all spoken by Allah, and that therefore the Koran is inerrant [without error]. Q. And HOW do moslems know these things ????????? A. Because ISLAM, says so!!!!! DUH!!! Typically those moslems who do want to reform ISLAM, are always accused of the crime of wanting 'innovation', ...i.e. of wanting to change ISLAM. 'Innovation', being the 'guilty' 'code word' used within ISLAM, to accuse and smear, those who would reform ISLAM. Google; islam innovation, reform, is illegal Google; islam imam murdered, called for reform Google; islam reformers typically murdered |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:26am Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:47pm:
A few? Like, under 100,000? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:31am Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 7:45pm:
It really depends on whether one generally supports a border protection policy for nations. Or is it that the Jews shouldn't be allowed that either? Those islamic maggots weren't cutting through fence wire carrying molotov cocktails just to light candles for the IDF soldiers. They sought confrontation and got what they came for. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:33am Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:24am:
Typically those moslems who do want to reform ISLAM, become, are regarded as apostates. And we know what the 'justified' punishment, for the crime of apostasy is in ISLAM.... "...the Prophet said, If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:04am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:26am:
Don't know exactly - no one does : maybe 0.01% of them? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:05am Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:47pm:
No bobby, the religion that Moses instigated, was not a death cult. Explanation; I know that the concept of honouring our word is an almost foreign and unknown concept in the world today. But those persons [Deut 13:13] entered into a covenant with their God. And they broke that covenant. Those persons were guilty covenant breakers. bobby read my explanation here..... "more muslim daily madness" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238715411/458#458 Quote:
bobby, By his laws, our God will kill criminals [i.e. people who oppress and murder others], and he will kill covenant breakers. Yes bobby, my God is a very harsh and unfair God isn't he ??? For killing criminals, and for killing those who renege on their solemn commitments. /sarc off And that is the exact reason, why all moslems should repent, and abandon ISLAM. Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Those who wait too long, will loose their chance, their opportunity, to repent. Their chance to be sorry. While you still have breath in your body, repent. Matthew 4:17 ....Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:25am Bobby. wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:04am:
Well, that would make it 10 then. You may want to pick another number. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:33am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:25am:
Well as of 1990, there were 1.1 Billion Muslims in the world, so 0.01% of that would be about 100,000...( I think) |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:43am Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:05am:
People, compare how the God of Israel regards us keeping our 'oaths' [keeping our word]... With a comparison of how important, Allah the God of ISLAM regards us keeping our 'oaths' [keeping our word]... Look here... "Love is not love Which alters when it alteration" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0 +++ Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. +++ Psalms 15:1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. 3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour. 4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not. 5 He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 10:58am Bobby. wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:47pm:
bobby, Once again, you clearly have an 'opinion', ....but you do not know what you are talking about. ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran and Hadith, refers to those moslems who do not support Sharia and Jihad [religious fighting], as 'hypocrites'. i.e. ISLAM regards moslem 'hypocrites' [those who fail to perform their obligations to Allah, e.g. Jihad] as 'unbelievers'. "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 And those same ISLAMIC foundation texts state that those moslems who are 'hypocrites', will burn in Allah's hell, with all 'unbelievers'. Allah makes Hell the abode of 'unbelievers', for the 'entertainment' of 'believers'.... "Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment." Koran 18.102 Google; islam quran hypocrites will burn in hell |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:23am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 9:33am:
That sounds about right. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:29am Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 10:58am:
You really should have posted ALL Quran 9.111.. "9.111. God has bought from the believers their selves and wealth because Paradise is for them. They fight in God's cause, and they kill or are killed. This is a promise with which God has bound Himself in the Torah and in the Gospel and in the Qur'ān. Who could be more faithful to his covenant than God? So (O believers), glad tidings to you because of the bargain you have made with Him! That, indeed, is the supreme triumph." It changes the perspective a little. And the mistake you are making with the other passage is that 'Unbelievers' doesn't mean non-muslims...it means people who do believe in one god......so it refers to idolators and pagans... The Quran specifically talks of respecting other religions that believe in god....and talks of respecting the followers of jesus.. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:53am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:29am:
How so gizmo ??? Koran 9.111 ....states that moslems are obligated to fight against unbelievers, for Allah. "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." Koran 9.111 Confirmed, in these further Koran verses.... "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah,...fight ye against the ['unbelievers']..." Koran 4.76 "Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 2.216 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:29am:
????? Do you mean.....'who do -not- believe in one god' ??? +++ MORE TO FOLLOW gizmo..... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:09pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:29am:
Sure, you know a lot about ISLAM gizmo. /sarc off ....because, you have chosen to believe what moslems tell you, about ISLAM. Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:" Koran 3.028 "O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?" Koran 4.144 "....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.... ......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 +++ FACT... All good moslems will [at the same time], tell some truths, AND also, barefacedly lie, to uninformed non-moslems, about ISLAM. e.g. When speaking to 'unbelievers' here in the West, devout muslims often barefacedly lie and insist that; 'ISLAM is THE religion of Peace', or, 'ISLAM is a peaceful religion', or, 'ISLAM is a religion which is tolerant of other faiths'. Those, are bare faced, LIES. ISLAM only pretends to be tolerant of other faiths, in those places where moslems/Sharia have no political authority. But, in support of their claim of ISLAM's tolerance, devout muslims will often quote the Koran verse; "Let there be no compulsion in religion....." Koran 2.256 Mohammed wrote that verse during his Medina period. ISLAM is a lie, it is a deception. And the ISLAMIC foundation texts, the Koran and the Hadith, are a lie, and a deception, and i can demonstrate that lie. And that verse, Koran 2.256 ....is a lie. Koran verses can be [and are], divided [by ISLAMIC scholars] into two conflicting periods of 'instructions' from Allah. Those two conflicting parts are categorised as Meccan verses and Medina verses [recognised as the peaceful Koran verses, and the violent Koran verses respectively]. All moslems recognise that the Medina [violent] verses supersede ['abrogate'] the Meccan [peaceful] verses [...because the Medina [violent] verses were the verses which were 'revealed' last]. But moslems always fail to reveal that fact, when explaining ISLAM, to uninformed non-moslems. All muslims 'live' the Medina verses [in those place where moslems have political authority]. But fondly enough, moslems [bless their little hearts] always quote peaceful Meccan verses to the gullible infidels [in those place where moslems have >>NO<< political authority]. And Allah was a very canny revealer of verses to Mohammed. /sarc off And within these two distinct periods of revelation, there are two distinct Koran verses which demonstrate this; The two conflicting Koran verses which eloquently demonstrate how Allah changed his mind... [Peaceful Mecca period] "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Koran 2.256 But in contrast, a little later, in Mohammed's Medina period [when Mohammed was now politically powerful, and personally secure], Allah then revealed an 'innovation' ; [Militant Medina period] "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 n.b. In the Mecca period, when Mohammed was dependent on others for his protection, Allah's revelations were all dedicated to showing that ISLAM promoted peace, non-violence, and a tolerance TOWARDS THE PAGANS WHOM Mohammed LIVED AMONGST, in Mecca [and whom Mohammed depended upon for his protection]. Whereas, once Mohammed became independently politically secure, Allah supposedly changed his tune [i.e. Allah 'innovated' ISLAM] to declare that pagans were now INTOLERABLE, to Allah. These facts and circumstances demonstrate that the Koran is a concocted document. Concocted by Mohammed to serve his own needs, desires, lusts. And the moslems of that time chose to go along with that fraud, as they do today. e.g. It is recorded within ISLAMIC texts that even Aisha Mohammed's 9 year old child bride recognised how Allah's revelations always seemed to coincide with Mohammed's immediate, worldly, desires... Narrated Aisha: "I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #006.060.311 Even Aisha knew that Mohammed was a fraud. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:21pm Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
gizmo said... "The Quran specifically talks of respecting other religions that believe in god....and talks of respecting the followers of jesus.." THAT IS POPPYCOCK, AND LIES. Allah curses the Christians..... "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Koran 9.030 Mohammed curses the Christians..... "On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....." hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660 gizmo, That doesn't sound very 'respectful' of those who follow Jesus, to me. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:31pm Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:21pm:
Again, a part quote.. "On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done." This is a reference to 'worshipping' the prohets, not the god..(correction)..It's against muslim law to bury a body 'in a place that is dedicated to purposes other than burial..(i.e you can only bury a body in a cemetary, or at sea) As for the other bit, about Jesus, that is simply because the Muslims considered Jesus to be a prophet, and don't believe he was anything more than a man.....they also don't believe in the crucifiction/resurrection idea, muslims believe Jesus was lifted up to heaven, bodily and alive... It's all just doctrinal differences.....Judaism doesn't think Jesus was the son of god either.... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:56pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:31pm:
OK. Point taken. Christians are not permitted to worship prophets [if that is what they were doing]. But still, Allah curses all Christians... Allah curses the Christians..... "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Koran 9.030 gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:31pm:
That is the thing though isn't gizmo, the narrative that is give within the Koran, regarding the history of Judaism and Christianity, repudiates the testimony of the scriptures of those two faiths. gizmo, You say 'moslems don't believe' the Christian narrative. But that is because ISLAM teaches them a NEW narrative about Jesus. +++ THE TRUTH IS THAT; Moslems have embraced a new, 'strange' narrative, contained within their own 'religious' texts [Koran & Hadith], .....which has absolutely no connection, to the narrative recorded within the Jewish and Christian scripture. FOR EXAMPLE; View this stark comparison between of how Judaism [in the OT], and ISLAM [in the Koran] view unbelievers [i.e. 'strangers']... "an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/46#46 In order to subvert the [spiritual] authority of Christianity, moslems will make the claim to Christians, that Jesus was a prophet of ISLAM. BUT, but, but, ISLAMIC texts reveal a totally moslem 'Jesus', a Jesus who would be unrecognisable to Christians. IF YOU BELIEVE ISLAM THAT JESUS IS A PROPHET OF ISLAM, YOU MUST ALSO ACCEPT THAT.... ...the moslem 'Jesus' did NOT die, [The NT records that Jesus died] ...the moslem 'Jesus' was NOT crucified, [The NT records that Jesus was crucified] [according to ISLAM, another person was crucified, in Jesus place] ...the moslem 'Jesus' was NOT resurrected by Allah, [The NT records that Jesus was resurrected by God] ...the moslem 'Jesus' is NOT a Jewish messiah, [The NT records that Jesus claimed to be the of messiah of his people, John 8:24] ...the moslem 'Jesus' is NOT the 'first-born' Son of God, [The NT records that Jesus claimed that, God was his father, John 8:54] ...the moslem 'Jesus' was whisked away to heaven [without dying] by Allah [ISLAMIC doctrine teaches, that the moslem Jesus will return to Earth at the 'end-time', TO KILL ALL CHRISTIANS, FOR NOT BEING MOSLEMS] ...the moslem 'Jesus', on his return [at the 'end-time'] is a subordinate to al-Mahdi [the ISLAMIC 'end-time' messiah], ...the moslem 'Jesus' will serve ISLAM by being a destroyer of the 'polytheistic' Christian church at the 'end-time', i.e. at the 'end-time' return he is an 'enforcer' of ISLAMIC faith [a JIHADIST!!], ...the moslem 'Jesus' at his return, will kill all Christians who still reject Allah / ISLAM. n.b. The moslem 'Jesus' presented by ISLAM, is not the New Testament Jesus. The moslem 'Jesus' presented by ISLAM, is not the Christian Jesus. The moslem 'Jesus' presented by ISLAM, IS A FAKE JESUS. n.b. This new narrative about Jesus is designed to 'draw in' weak Christians, into ISLAM's authority, and influence. Read some of these sources, explaining what ISLAM really teaches [to moslems] about Jesus.... "Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah - What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus" http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm Google; jesus Qur'an is the Messiah Google; jesus koran prophet of islam Why are moslems doing this ??? Q. Why are moslems trying to convince Christians that Jesus was a prophet of ISLAM ??? A. Moslems want to destroy all authority [external to ISLAM], and, to destroy all faith in God. And moslems are trying to destroy the faith of weak and gullible Christians. If you are a Christian and you want to bolster your faith, in Jesus, read your Bible. ISLAM is evil, and ISLAM is not of God. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:15pm
CORRECTION....
Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:48pm Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:15pm:
That sounds fair Yadda.....would YOU convert to another religion (other than Christianity) under the threat of violence or compulsion??? Most devout people wouldn't...and Mohammed was saying no religion (including Islam) should forcibly convert people to follow that religion... Which means all the muslims who are running around trying to force people to worship Islam are in violation ot the rules OF Islam.... Doesn't THAT sound like some Muslims have lost the 'true path'???? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:56pm
To be honest, all you really need to corrupt followers of ANY religion is charisma, and a glib tongue (the ability to talk fast, and sound knowledgeable )..It worked for Jim Jones and David Koresh.....so why shouldn't it work Imams too????
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:58pm
stone cold steve austin religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ebFWyq57I&feature=channel_video_title austin 3:16: WHAT |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 2:54pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
No. But i can understand why some would. But, imo, they would be making a wrong, and immoral choice. A poor choice. Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?i gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
gizmo, Yes, many moslems are certainly off 'the path' ! gizmo, So, what you are saying is that i'm mistaken. And that in my error, that i am thereby, terribly 'misrepresenting' and slandering ISLAM ??? Because most moslems are moderate, and ISLAM is good, and misunderstood by people such as myself ??? +++ gizmo is very knowledgeable about ISLAM. /sarc off gismo knows more about ISLAM than even the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia [the ISLAMIC equivalent of 'The Archbishop of Canterbury' in Saudi Arabia]... Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html So gizmo, our options [offered by our would-be moslem 'benefactors'] are, that we can surrender to moslems, and be the slaves of moslems. Otherwise, moslems are totally justified [by Allah] in making war upon us 'unbelievers'. Well, i say, LETS SURRENDER TO MOSLEMS! ...so that we can all enjoy the promised peace that will assuredly follow our surrender to our would-be moslem 'benefactors'. /sarc off e.g. #2, Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html gizmo, You are either deceived, OR, you are a willing deceiver. [...to me you seem like an apostate moslem, who still wishes to defend your cultural roots ???] You are certainly acting as an apologist for 'moderate' ISLAM. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm Quote:
Yes, basically thats it... Most muslims are in fact peaceful... The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia is NOT even close to the Archbishop of Canterbury....he's just another deluded fanatic... And 'serious' real muslims don't don't want converts who haven't made an informed decision.....and there is no such thing as a 'surrender to muslims'..... The very best is 'surrendering to the will of god'....which is what muslim means....If you don't voluntarily 'embrace' the idea of the religion....then you aren't a muslim....just the same as a 'born again christian' who doesn't embrace god's laws isn't a born again christian.... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 1:56pm:
......or the grave of a prophet, to be able worship him [i.e. worship a dead man] ??? John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. ... 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. What was Jesus 'message' ? #1, Love God. Matthew 22:36-37 #2, Obey God's !!laws!!, study the scriptures. Matthew 19:16-19, John 14:15-21, Luke 24:45 #3, Love your fellow man. Matthew 22:39, Leviticus 19:18 Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:21pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm:
B.S., B.S., B.S. gizmo, If most moslems were good people... They would not associate themselves with ISLAM. They would separate themselves from ISLAM. They certainly, would not defend ISLAM, nor, be an apologist for ISLAM. gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm:
Will you tell him, or should i ??? gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm:
Surrendering to the will Allah, is not a virtue, imo. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:36pm Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:21pm:
Yadda, Islam is NOT the problem.....RADICAL Islam IS...... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:44pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm:
Yadda, Islam is NOT the problem.....RADICAL Islam IS...... [/quote] gizmo, Radical ISLAM is NOT the problem .....ISLAM, is...... +++ ISLAM, does not come in 'radical' or 'vanilla'. ISLAM, is ISLAM. ISLAM is evil, ISLAM is a death cult. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 4:02pm Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:44pm:
gizmo, Radical ISLAM is NOT the problem .....ISLAM, is...... +++ ISLAM, does not come in 'radical' or 'vanilla'. ISLAM, is ISLAM. ISLAM is evil, ISLAM is a death cult. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 [/quote] Yes Yadda...I know you have adopted the US version of Islam....that doesn't make YOU right..itjust makes you stupid... Islam is no different than Christianity or Judaism....it's JUST a religion...Radical Islam, on the other hand is a political movement, hidden within the vanilla religion... It's sad, but you are actually wrong and deluded... Logic should do it for you...providing you can actually 'use' logic within your religious fervour...not everyone who wears the costume of Islam and prays towards mecca every day is trying to kill you...are they?? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 8th, 2011 at 4:08pm
gizmo,
You are mistaken, you are blind. Open your eyes, and see! +++ But gizmo, why should i expect you to be able to 'see' ??? The world is full of people just like yourself. ...people who are lost, to God. ...people who refuse to acknowledge the truth. Nothing will change. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 4:10pm Yadda wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 4:08pm:
And the world is also full of people like you...religious idiots, who have no idea what is really happening in the world... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:06pm
Gizmo.
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I agree Gizmo. Yadda - God isn't true o.k.? I realised that about the same time as when I found out that a guy called Father Xmas didn't come down the chimney & deliver presents. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 8:29am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 3:14pm:
gizmo said, Quote:
gizmo, The contents of the Koran and the Hadith is a witness against you, is a witness against your assertions. A witness, that everything that you assert about ISLAM, is untrue, is lies. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "....The very best is 'surrendering to the will of god'....which is what muslim means....If you don't voluntarily 'embrace' the idea of the religion....then you aren't a muslim" Yet.... "...the Prophet said, If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 gizmo, How can a person freely surrender to Allah, if the alternative, is a sentence of 'lawful' execution ??? gizmo, In being an active, open, apologist for ISLAM, imo, is a proof that you have clearly lost all discernment, and you have no 'moral compass'. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 11:53am
Yadda, your message on this thread basically comes down to, every time someone commits a crime, it's their entire religion that's at fault...
So that would mean that ALL christians are to blame when a member of the christian clergy molests a child.... And every thief, thug or killer can argue in court that 'religion made me do it'..... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:19pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 11:53am:
Easy-peasy gizmo. gizmo is correct, and Yadda is mistaken. ISLAM is a virtuous religion. [....there, i said it. Spit! Spit!] Now gizmo, Easy-peasy gizmo, now show me gizmo.... If ISLAM is so benign, so commendable, so just, so virtuous, ....then show me the verses from the Koran, regarding unbelievers, ....which parallel theses verses from the Jewish OT Bible.... e.g. The God of Moses [the Bible], inspired these words... The treatment of strangers ['unbelievers'] under the law of Moses; Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him... Exodus 23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger... Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself... Leviticus 25:47-49 [these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.] Deuteronomy 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. Deuteronomy 10:17-19 For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. Deuteronomy 24:17 Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge: 18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing. Deuteronomy 27:19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...i gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 11:53am:
gizmo, You are making my argument for me! In many rape cases involving moslems, in non-moslem countries, that is EXACTLY the 'defence' [the 'mitigating' circumstance] which many moslems have used. i.e. 'I am a moslem. And in ISLAM, i am allowed to have sex [rape] with such women.' Google, "they had no right to say no" Google, "rape jihad" |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:31pm
who reads yaddas posts here
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:36pm Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:31pm:
Apparently, you do cliff. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:00pm Yadda wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:36pm:
I read one or 2 lines. Yadda can't remain on topic. I think he has ADD. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:10pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:00pm:
Correct. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:18pm Yadda wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:19pm:
No I'm not Yadda...I'm pointing out the errors IN your arguement... Criminals often use bogus and stupid excuses to explain away guilt.. The worst possible mistake we (or any other society) can make is to enable them to do that, by falling victim to our own bigottry... David Berkowitz claimed to have been commanded to kill by his neighbour's dog.....do you think that was true???? People do bad things, to allow them to shift the blame from themselves onto a abstract like religion,gods, demons, fairies or family break ups leads to a situation where no one is actually responsible for their own actions.... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:48pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:18pm:
gizmo, My 'argument', is that ISLAM is an evil and violent philosophy. The content of the Koran and Hadith [ ISLAM's own foundation texts ] are a 'witness' against ISLAM, ....and their content support my argument. You have chosen to reject that evidence. And you repeatedly insist that although ISLAM's own foundation texts clearly encourages moslem violence against persons who are not moslems, that ISLAM is nevertheless blameless. IMO, that yours is an IRRATIONAL argument. Whereas, i can support my 'argument', with evidence. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 2:33pm Yadda wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
Point 1) 'Stranger' and 'Unbeliever' do not mean the same thing.. Point 2) Your evidence consists of part or modified quotes from Quranic texts.. Point 3) Every religious book contains older passages that still exist, but are no longer followed, to use the Bible as an example......when did you last go out and kill a witch(practitioner of Wiccan)??? And how long has it been since a child was stoned to death for disrespecting their parents???? Both of these actions are 'commanded' by the Bible......but are no longer followed....... Can you offer any actual proof that Islam STILL uses the older instructions and commands that people follow them??...No, of course you can't. My proof, on the other hand, is real life evidence......there are over 1 billion muslims in the world today, but less than 1 in a 1000 actually commit acts of terror or crimes against non muslims.....an number THAT small proves that the actions of this small group is aberrant behaviour, at odds with the mainstream religion... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:15pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 2:33pm:
gizmo, If what you assert about ISLAM/moslems is true, then where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders, condemning attacks upon non-moslems. And why are attacks upon non-moslems, and non-moslem communities so prevalent in moslem countries, and again.... where are the rebukes from moslem imams and community leaders [in moslem countries], condemning attacks upon non-moslems. e.g. Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt. Where is the condemnation from the moslem community, of the attacks upon non-moslems, in those countries ??? Google; persecution of muslims christians pakistan There is no condemnation of the violence against non-moslems, in those countries, from the majority moslem community. Google; mohammed, silence is consent +++ Rather, from moslem community leaders we will often hear things like this..... This next guy is a moslem 'holy man'.... Quote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94224 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php Google; non-muslims "as filthy as urine and feces" Google; non-muslims are excrement AND, Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html +++ THE TRUTH IS THAT.... ISLAM, is a lie. Moslems promote that lie. Moslems are a part of that lie. E V E R Y D A Y - MOSLEMS LIE ISLAM......is a false religion, for a false people. Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit Google; we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not." http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:35pm Quote:
The big problem is, there is NO central authority within Islam (as far as I can find, maybe Abu would know)....so there's really no one TO 'condemn' the opinions of other teachers or Imaans.....or, given the attitude of Western media, perhaps there's no one to report said condemnation??? For all we know...Imaans all over the world might be ranting and complaining about 'radical' Islam, ever day...but if it's ignored by media who like 'profiling' as much as you seem to....then we'd never know about it, would we??? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:54pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:35pm:
Let me get this straight giz. So, ISLAM is not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems. Moslem community leaders, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems. Moslem imams, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems. And moslems, are not responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems. So, who IS for responsible the 'bad behaviour', and for the bad and violent conduct, of many moslems ??? Oh i know !!! It is non-moslems who are responsible for the 'bad behaviour' of moslems !!! Because, non-moslems are for responsible for the 'radicalisation' moslems. Because non-moslems criticise moslems for their bad conduct, and then the moslems say, "If you non-moslems didn't persecute us, all would be OK." !!!! Its all the fault of non-moslems !!!!! Moslem violence, is caused by non-moslems !!!!! Of course!!! /sarc off |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 23 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:17pm Yadda wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
So you agree. Yadda has Attention Deficit Disorder. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder Quote:
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:25pm Yadda wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:54pm:
The muslim community leaders have limited power over their communities..only.... The muslim imaans can only affect the behaviour of people who attend their mosque.... Some of the imaans are the ones causing these problems, true.....but there is no one (except the actual worshippers) to stop them...and since the worshippers believe what the imaan tell them....that gets a little tricky.. And the ONLY people responsible for the bad and violent behaviour of 'some muslim' is THOSE muslim themselves... That's what you don't seem to get.....if ONE person commits a crime or violent act, then THAT person is the only one, ultimately, responsible for that act...Not his brother, not the guy next door, not the guy behind him at the supermarket or the person next to him during worship....JUST the person who DID the deed... Blaming everyone else that the criminal ever met, or talked to or who has the same hair/eye colour is stupid.... If a person commits a hit and run in a white commodore, should we assume that everyone with a white commodore is a hit and run driver????? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:55pm Yadda wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:54pm:
'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO' Quote:
"ISLAM SEEKS PEACE - Oh really!" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258072652/1#1 n.b. "......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" So, when moslems use violence against 'unbelievers', moslems are merely 'inviting' non-moslems to embrace ISLAM [...and hoping that non-moslems will have the common-sense to accept their 'invitation', to enjoy the 'peace' which ISLAM offers to all men]. /sarc off Google; those who resist islam cause wars and are responsible for them That, is the twisted logic which all good moslems fully embrace, a 'logic' which is used to justify all of their violence against 'unbelievers'. +++ more on this moslem SOPHISTRY here... "Sharia Australia" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295543010/13#13 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 9th, 2011 at 5:12pm
So, you just ignore posts that disprove or challenge your ideas???
Fanatic much???? |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Cliff Richard on Jun 9th, 2011 at 8:20pm
zealot much???
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 10th, 2011 at 7:40am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
A B.S. 'cop out' - like ISLAM itself, deliberately avoiding responsibility for the consequences of the evil they embrace, endorse and encourage. gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
A B.S. 'cop out' - like ISLAM itself, deliberately avoiding responsibility for the consequences of the evil they embrace, endorse and encourage. gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
A B.S. 'cop out' - like ISLAM itself, deliberately avoiding responsibility for the consequences of the evil they embrace, endorse and encourage. gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
A B.S. 'cop out' - like ISLAM itself, deliberately avoiding responsibility for the consequences of the evil they embrace, endorse and encourage. gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
My response to your fallacious argument; "Your accusation, is guilt by association.", is here.... "Jews kill 12 protesters." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305553526/247#247 Quote:
AND HERE... Quote:
+++ Every moslem, by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. Why so ??? Because ISLAM 'sanctifies', and 'legitimises', all manner of violence against 'unbelievers' - as 'lawful' to moslems. Who is a moslem ??? A moslem is a person who declares; "I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet." Who is a moslem ??? A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe. From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i confidently make this statement; Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. Every moslem! Every non-moslem should be aware and recognise, that ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers']. And in my estimation, every moslem does understand what his/her 'religious' OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, to Allah, and to fellow moslems. The contents of the Koran and Hadith, and the unguarded words of moslems themselves, ....ARE A WITNESS AGAINST THEMSELVES. e.g. "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..." Koran 9.111 Google; "The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad" But just keep rejecting the truth gizmo. I know that you cannot help yourself, in that regard. You are compelled to refuse it to acknowledge it. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 10th, 2011 at 8:37am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 5:12pm:
You wish! In your dreams. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 10th, 2011 at 8:50am Yadda wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 7:40am:
ISLAMIC law.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." "...A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi Who, or what, is a harbi ??? Harbi is an Arabic/ISLAMIC word, it means "one under a declaration of war". n.b. "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 As Anjem Choudary - a UK moslem community leader reveals, the UK is open for Jihad 'operations'; KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4 Attack on London 'inevitable' April 19, 2004 "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true N.B. "...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Soren on Jun 10th, 2011 at 9:27am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 9th, 2011 at 3:35pm:
Of course there is central authority by which all Muslims orient their lives. Mohammed is the "alpha and omega". And it shows, of course. Islam is the way it is and Muslims are the way the are because Mohammed is their ultimate example and central authority and guide to every aspect of life. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by gizmo_2655 on Jun 10th, 2011 at 2:08pm Soren wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 9:27am:
Yes, but you can't ring him up or write him a letter, can you??? By 'central authority' I mean something silmilar to the Vatican ( Pope and Cardinals) or even Bishops, Archbishops, Dioces etc... Maybe 'earthly central authority' might have been a better way to put it... I'll have to ask Abu and find out if there is such a thing... Given human nature, there's a lot of room for interpretation of Mohammad's example of how to live.... |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 11th, 2011 at 2:17pm "Jews kill 12 protesters" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305553526/256#256 Exodus 23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. +++ In referring to the term 'strangers' used in my post [linked] above.... gizmo said, Quote:
What are you suggesting gizmo ??? Perhaps, that those referred to as 'strangers' in the OT books of Moses, were Hebrew 'cousins', visiting from distant lands ??? I would argue that the term 'stranger', used in the OT Bible, and the term 'unbeliever', within the Koran, do indeed mean the same thing gizmo. The term 'stranger', used in the the law of Moses in the OT Bible, refers to those persons who are NOT of 'the children of Israel', persons who are NOT of 'the congregation of Israel'. In the same way that the term 'unbeliever', when it is used in the Koran means, a non-moslem, an 'infidel'. Those terms, from the Koran and the Bible, both refer to those persons, who are regarded as unclean, and unholy, 'infidels'. Dictionary; infidel = = a person who has no religion or whose religion is not that of the majority. Bible verses which support that conclusion... Exodus 12:43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof: ..... 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. Exodus 29:33 And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat thereof, because they are holy. [i.e. the food, is holy] Leviticus 22:12 If the priest's daughter also be married unto a stranger, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things. Dietary laws, apply to the children of Israel... Deuteronomy 14:21 Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God.... Deuteronomy 23:19 Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury: 20 Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury:.... All of those verses make it clear that the term 'stranger' [used in the OT Bible], refers to a person who is separate from 'the congregation of Israel'. As an aside... Notice the tolerance implied in Moses law [implied in Leviticus 22:12, above], in comparison to the in-tolerance required by Allah.... "......Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe:...." Koran 2.221 +++ 'Let us naive Westerners prove how righteous and tolerant we are, by showing moslems how tolerant we can be of ISLAMIC cultural practices.' /sarc off Quote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461280/Murder-girls-cries-help-ignored.html Many young moslem women are murdered by family members [especially in Western nations], because they seek to escape the stifling control ISLAM imposes on their lives [control and threats which are applied by male family members]. And young moslem women in particular are being targeted, because of their vulnerability, and powerlessness. These young women are being killed by 'righteous' moslem men, because these young moslem women are vulnerable, and powerless. Google, muslim honour killings uk Though the term 'honour killing' is in 'popular' use in the MSM [media], it is a misnomer. Every 'honour killing' [of young moslem women] is justified by moslem perpetrators, as the 'righteous' killing of an 'apostate'/rebel. And ISLAMIC religious texts declare, that moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates, The Hadith, "...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 11th, 2011 at 3:12pm
Yadda,
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This is why I want to discard all religion because it can be used as justification to kill people. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by Yadda on Jun 11th, 2011 at 3:50pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 3:12pm:
bobby, Relax. I will not cut your head off for being an infidel. |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 12th, 2011 at 9:41am Yadda wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 3:50pm:
Thanks Yadda - but plenty of other religious zealots would like to. :o |
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Title: Re: Jews kill 12 protesters. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 12th, 2011 at 12:22pm
I am so fed up with religion -
if it's not a Muslim banging his head on the ground 5 times a day it's a Jew bashing his head against the wailing wall or a Christian bashing a Bible saying - you're all sinners. We should have progressed by now - it's 2011. |
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