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Question: Do you want Sharia law in Australia?

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Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:03am
 
Calls for Australian Parliament to permanently prorogue and Australian Prime to resign in favour of Sharia Islamic law in Australia. Is this a good thing?
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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 7:32am
 
Yes. The people knew all those years ago that they sowed dragon's teeth by allowing muslims to enter Australia. Muslims are inimical with a democratic society. It's now time to confront the mistake they have made. Let them experience sharia law. It is the only way to educate them.
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:30am
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:03am:
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Calls for Australian Parliament to permanently prorogue and Australian Prime to resign in favour of Sharia Islamic law in Australia. Is this a good thing?




Do you have more details?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:47am
 
As far as I'm aware calling for political change is not against the law in Australia. If they do it by illegal means and are seditious, then the law will deal with them as it would deal with anyone else calling for radical change.

In a democracy, varying political views are expected and welcomed... no?
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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:57am
 
The Quran has about 153,000 words and around 62% of them are about dealing with non believers so whenever you have an ideology that has a separate set of rules for those who do not belong to your cult that makes it a political Ideology and not a religion.
Kishori Saran Lal was the first on record to do statistics on the Quran.

Islam is a political ideology that has some religion.

If muslims want to take Islam out of the Mosques and into parliament then you are free to engage them just like any labor/liberal/greens on policy.

Australia got rid of the death penalty over 40 years ago.

Islam has the death penalty for apostasy you cannot leave Islam.

Islam has the death penalty for blasphemy you cannot even say the truth about Islam.

Islam has the death penalty for insulting the prophet as you see they kill people over drawings.

Islam has the death penalty for adultery they stone you to death for that

Islam has the death penalty for gays- they hang you for that.

Islam requires a woman to have 4 male witnesses to prove she has been raped.

Islam does not give the woman freedom to divorce her husband the imam always pushes her  to reconcile the man only has to say a few words.
The custody,child support and in fact anything relating to women are a step back in the past where women do not have any rights.

Islam calls for public floggings of those who drinl alcohol.

The punishment for stealing is amputation.

If muslims want to make Islam political and base laws on what is in the Quran then engage them on all aspects of Islam like you would with any other political party.

There have been enough calls for Sharia Law so start engaging Political Islam with debates
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:02am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:47am:
As far as I'm aware calling for political change is not against the law in Australia. If they do it by illegal means and are seditious, then the law will deal with them as it would deal with anyone else calling for radical change.

In a democracy, varying political views are expected and welcomed... no?




But the point is, ISLAM itself does not allow varying political views.

ISLAM says, obey Allah [as 'revealed' in the Koran, ISLAMIC texts, doctrines] or we will 'rightfully' kill you.


"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61

What that verse [Koran 33.60, 61] is saying is that within Sharia jurisdictions moslems must not show any political tolerance, to those who oppose the world-view of ISLAM.

The phrase, "those in whose hearts is a disease" = = 'those who reject Faith', i.e. those people who do not believe, as moslems believe.


ISLAM promotes itself, through its adherents, by claiming that ISLAM is a honourable and beneficial philosophy for mankind.
But no one, either inside ISLAM [moslems], or outside ISLAM [non-moslems], is allowed to critically examine ISLAM, and its tenets and precepts.
Indeed, within ISLAMIC jurisdictions, critics of ISLAM are often summarily killed, for their 'crime' of 'insulting' [the honour of] ISLAM.
If ISLAM truly is a honourable and beneficial philosophy to mankind, why is critical examination of ISLAM always met with violence by its adherents???

One of the essential differences between our 'Western' culture, and ISLAM, is that we have embraced self criticism.
But, ISLAM never has.





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Western bureaucrats and politicians have shown themselves to be ignorant and naive, in trying to foster democracy within societies which are dominated by ISLAM.

And the true attitude towards of the Jihadists [i.e. good moslems] has been 'eloquently' put, by those standing behind the Al Qaeda bombers of the Iraqi parliament...


April 14, 2007
The right to legislate belongs to God alone, and whoever disputes that is an apostate.
The members of parliament deserve only death [source, 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' ]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/04/the-right-to-legislate-belongs-to-god-alone-an...




Moslem community priorities within host nations...

Increase in numbers and political influence.
Agitate for more numbers and more political influence.
Seek to undermine and ultimately, to destroy all of the un-ISLAMIC institutions within non-moslem host society.
IMPOSE Sharia law upon the host nation.


e.g.
Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should *preach* peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, *only until* they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece



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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:17am
 
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But the point is, ISLAM itself does not allow varying political views.


That's not the point at all. That point would be relevant under an Islamic state, not under a democratic one.

Democracy allows and welcomes different political views, and Islam holds it's own political view.

Either you believe in democracy or you don't, stop flip-flopping.
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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:34am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:17am:
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But the point is, ISLAM itself does not allow varying political views.


That's not the point at all. That point would be relevant under an Islamic state, not under a democratic one.

Democracy allows and welcomes different political views, and Islam holds it's own political view.

Either you believe in democracy or you don't, stop flip-flopping.


Do you think people will be impressed or repulsed with Sharia law?

If muslims want to take Islam for the mosque and enter Politics then they will be under intense scruitiny just like any other political party.

If you try and silence political debate when you make Islam political do you think that will make Islam look good?


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Reply #8 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:52am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:17am:
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But the point is, ISLAM itself does not allow varying political views.


That's not the point at all. That point would be relevant under an Islamic state, not under a democratic one.

Democracy allows and welcomes different political views, and Islam holds it's own political view.

Either you believe in democracy or you don't, stop flip-flopping.




I believe in an open society, where people are allowed to make their own moral choices, within limits [within limits where the 'inclination' and actions of 'some', are not injurious to others].

e.g.
I believe that 'crocodiles' are dangerous creatures, which should be kept separate from people.

I believe that within a zoo, crocodiles should be kept within enclosures, by themselves, and not be allowed to wander into enclosures which contain 'sheep'.

In the world of men, imo, ISLAM is a 'crocodile'.



"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Karl Popper

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
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Reply #9 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:01pm
 
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Do you think people will be impressed or repulsed with Sharia law?

If muslims want to take Islam for the mosque and enter Politics then they will be under intense scruitiny just like any other political party.

If you try and silence political debate when you make Islam political do you think that will make Islam look good?


Personally I, like 99.99% of all Muslims, have no interest in trying to push for Shari'ah law in Australia. Muslims can't even implement it in their own countries, let alone in a non-Muslim country, so any push to do so would only be an exercise in futility, and as you mention bad publicity.

My point was merely that if people did call/push for it, why are you so stressed about it? Democracy loves freedom of political thought, no? democracy promotes pluralism and participation by all members of society, to input their beliefs and ideals, no? I'm more perplexed by the hypocrisy of democracy, than I am backing up the push for Shari'ah.
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Reply #10 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:04pm
 
Yadda,

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In the world of men, imo, ISLAM is a 'crocodile'.


Islam is to democracy, as democracy was to Communism.

Just as Communism had to crack down on Democracy's advocates, so too Democracy will have to crack down on Islam's advocates.

Why? Because political systems like this don't mind any ideology that doesn't pose a serious threat to their ideological supremacy...

Just as Communism was ideologically inferior to Democracy, so too Democracy is ideologically inferior to Islam. So it's perceived as a threat.
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Reply #11 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:23pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:04pm:
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...so too Democracy is ideologically inferior to Islam. So it's perceived as a threat.




Democracy is not perfect, it has many faults.
I know something of Democracy and i know something of ISLAM.

On a scale of EVIL, i would rate Democracy at 5/10.

But on a scale of EVIL, i would rate ISLAM at 10/10.


Democracy, as a system for living, devised by mankind, is easily corrupted.

ISLAM is pure EVIL, always.

Anyone who would take the trouble to independently study ISLAM's foundation texts [Koran, Hadith], just a little, will quickly discover just how wicked, evil, [and deceptive] ISLAM truly is.



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Reply #12 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:30pm
 
Yadda, whilst you refuse to discuss rationally, but just base your opinions on your Christian-oriented propaganda view of Islam, then we will achieve nothing here.

Islam is the only system in the history of humanity that has produced a harmonious and stable society. All others, democracy included, have produced nothing but famine, war, destruction and chaos the world over.
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Reply #13 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 1:02pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:30pm:
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Yadda, whilst you refuse to discuss rationally, but just base your opinions on your Christian-oriented propaganda view of Islam, then we will achieve nothing here.

Islam is the only system in the history of humanity that has produced a harmonious and stable society. All others, democracy included, have produced nothing but famine, war, destruction and chaos the world over.






Abu,
IMO, your statements are pure projection.

In your statement, you accuse others of, PRECISELY what following ISLAM produces in this world, oppression conflict, poverty.




For a graphic demonstration of where truth lays, between our two stances merely visit;

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/


ISLAM, moslems, define 'peace' as submission to ISLAM.




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Dictionary,
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.


SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #1

Peace

Good moslems will tell non-moslems, that moslems want to see 'peace' cover the whole earth.

But a moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that all good moslems define 'peace', as submission to Allah's will.
Dar al-Islam = = "house of peace" [is those places where Sharia has authority].
Dar al-Harb = = "house of war".


Google,
Dar al-Harb deception
i.e.
A moslem 'peace' = = mankind's SLAVERY, under ISLAMIST political rule.


SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #2

'Terrorism'

Good moslems have declared to non-moslems, that they condemn 'terrorism'.

But moslems do not reveal that ISLAMISTS define non-moslems as the terrorists! - Truly!

Because ISLAMISTS have defined 'terrorism' as; Resisting Allah's will!! - Truly!

When non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, or try to prevent ISLAMIST violence, good moslems [truly!] regard such actions as 'oppression' and 'violence' against moslems! - Truly!

e.g.
"Five Sydney men jailed over terrorism plot"
"The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-...



SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #3

Innocent people

Good moslems have declared to non-moslems, that they condemn the killing of innocent people.

But the good moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that in ISLAM, only moslems qualify as 'innocent people'.
EXAMPLES next post....


Google to find...

e.g.
"....when we say innocent people, we mean muslims...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty...."
Anjem Choudary, UK muslim community leader, speaking publicly, of the London 7/7 bombing victims.


e.g.
"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any [unbeliever]."
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking publicly, and then privately, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.


e.g.
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking to a moslem audience, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

ISLAM = deceit.


a good read, outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry...

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html




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Reply #14 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 1:03pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:30pm:
Islam is the only system in the history of humanity that has produced a harmonious and stable society.


Islam has a long history of civil war between muslims the Battle of the Camel was the first it led to the Sunni/Shia split and even to this day sunnis and shia kill each other.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Islamic_civil_war
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