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Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:35am
 
Gough Whitlam’s multiculturalism experiment has failed Australia


The anti-Semitic violence that has marred Australian life since Hamas’s attack on Israel in October 2023 highlights the collapse of the multicultural project the Whitlam government launched five decades ago. That project aimed at promoting diversity without undermining social cohesion.

Now, as social cohesion buckles under an outpouring of toxicity and intimidation, it is increasingly hard to argue that its benefits outweigh its costs.

The complex of policies referred to as multiculturalism did not come in the wake of failure.

On the contrary, the approach it replaced, which stressed integration and assimilation, oversaw Australia’s spectacular post-war success in absorbing wave after wave of new arrivals.
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Flooding into Australia, the new arrivals those priorities called for were immediately absorbed into the Menzies era’s boomtime economy. After a few years of hard work they could take advantage of the plentiful low-cost housing being built on the outskirts of major cities.

Soon enough, the recent arrivals and their families began leaving their original inner-city enclaves, providing new European leavening to the British-Australian dough of the great Australian suburbs.

Not only were they working, drinking and socialising alongside ordinary Australians, their children, as they grew into adulthood, began intermarrying. In their actions, the migrants, and the “Anglomorph” host society they had joined, ensured Calwell’s term “New Australians” was no empty signifier. Moreover, rather than moving to one locale only, they percolated everywhere.
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The migrant’s journey is ineluctably difficult, even more so in a country that was resolutely monolingual. Yes, Australians were generally accepting, but there was often a lack of warmth. Tolerance could be counted on, but not a great deal more. It took considerable strength of will and adaptiveness, along with a modicum of good fortune, to realise one’s dreams.


But the strikingly high degree of success – measured by basic socio-economic indicators of home ownership, employment progress and long-term integration into the host nation – the migrants enjoyed clearly says something about the country in which they had arrived and forged their future.

This was an extraordinary achievement for a nation whose sense of identity was so bound up with its Britishness. The Irish trauma had certainly left its scars, but there was widespread pride in the institutions and practices Australia inherited from Britain.

David Malouf put it best, writing about his father, who was born in Brisbane to Melkite (Greek Catholic) parents from Lebanon. “He was passionately Australian,” writes Malouf, “but his patriotism included strong feelings for England, a place he had no connexion with and had never seen. He would have said, I think, that England represented all the things in the world he had grown up in that he most admired and lived by: fair play, decency, manliness, concern for the weak and helpless, a belief that life, in the end, was serious.”
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Reply #1 - Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:39am
 
But the 1970s brought two momentous changes.

The first was a profound recasting of the past. Previously, Australian cultural elites, while rarely hiding from our history’s often grim realities, viewed the building of Australia with pride – a pride that underpinned a strong, distinctive and unifying sense of national identity.

Now they framed a new imaginary history in which the Australia of the past was, according to Whitlam acolyte Phillip Adams, “the most remote, ethnocentric, inward-looking and changeless society on earth”, a barren, empty and grey wasteland, punctuated only by the craven fawning of British imperialists and the genocidal dislocation of the continent’s first inhabitants.

At the same time, as the previous national identity was derided, the ideal of a unifying culture was scorned with it. Australia’s strength, the revisionists argued, lay not in an encompassing sense of being Australian; rather, what was to be highlighted and encouraged was cultural difference, as if difference was a good in itself.

In its origins, the ambitions of this new multiculturalist approach were reasonably modest. Trusting implicitly in the continuance of the social code of tolerance built up over the decades, it assumed that code was so strong that it didn’t require protecting. Its primary focus was on supplementing the processes of ongoing migrant integration with some largely harmless commitments to maintaining cultural diversity via language programs and greater appreciation of European culture.

The term itself had originated in Canada in the mid-’60s and was soon adopted by prime minister Pierre Trudeau. The appeal for Trudeau was obvious as he struggled to cope with separatist pressures in Quebec while remaining cognisant of Anglophone Canadian views. The idea of multiculturalism shifted the focus from two to many, potentially easing the head-to-head confrontation between Quebec and the rest.

Its immediate use value for the more singular culture of Australia, where there were no separatist tensions, was less apparent. But it rapidly acquired great political appeal.

Nowhere was that appeal greater than in the ALP. Since 1901 the Labor Party had been more deeply invested in the White Australia Policy than any other major political movement.

In the opinion of its greatest speechwriter, Graham Freudenberg, it was the policy that had proved its most reliable source of voter support.

But the generation of party leaders who began emerging in the early ’60s – Gough Whitlam, Bob Hawke, Bill Hayden, Don Dunstan and others – fought a long battle to remove the policy of racial exclusion from the party platform and replace it with the principle of non-discrimination.

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Simultaneously, Labor’s previous heartland of support, blue-collar workers, chiefly located in the manufacturing industries, was beginning to dwindle and disintegrate. It was to be replaced with a new coalition of disparate groups, attracted by subsidies, public recognition and promises of social justice – and it did not take long for non-British migrants to be identified as one of the groups that could be wooed through lashings of financial and symbolic largesse.

The Liberal side of politics also had reasons to embrace the change. Early post-war waves of migrants, coming predominantly from Britain and the Balkan and eastern European nations caught on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, tended to support the anti-communist Coalition.

By the mid-’60s however, those sources had dried up. Large-scale arrivals from Italy, Greece and, after 1967, Turkey and Lebanon skewed more in Labor’s direction, despite the Liberals’ record of encouraging migration, ending the White Australia Policy in 1966 and initiating a policy that focused solely on would-be migrants’ ability to integrate into their new nation. The Liberal Party’s unpopularity with increasing swathes of migrant voters in the ’70s was a key reason for its 1975 conversion to multiculturalism and the dramatic abandonment of the previous commitment to integration.

But what was most striking about the adoption of multiculturalism was the almost total absence of initial advocacy from the group directly affected, the migrants themselves.

Obviously, providing government resources to preserve ethnic cultures couldn’t help but appeal, most especially to ethnic community leaders, who enjoyed a sudden, startling accession to significant degrees of power, influence and status. This was, however, a response to policy initiated by successive governments, not a longed-for reform migrants had been pushing for themselves.

As author Raymond Sestito pointed out, “Australia’s political parties have been the initiators of multiculturalism, rather than responding to group pressure.” Historian Mark Lopez concluded similarly that multiculturalism “was developed and advanced in the name of ethnic groups, organisations and leaders, not by them”.

For the politicians’ part, the bidding war for migrant allegiance proved a trap from which it was almost impossible to escape. With organisations and ethnic community representatives created to facilitate the new policy, the electoral punishment any significant policy reversal would subsequently entail was feared, perhaps unjustifiably, to be severe.

But even more than the politicians, the group for whom multiculturalism became a sacred cause was the new elite class emerging to dominance in Australia from the ’70s. As with Indigenous self-determination, to question the policy soon became the secular equivalent of blasphemy. Under the threat of excommunication the policy, even if privately questioned, was almost universally publicly accepted. That was at least partly because there really wasn’t much reason to assail it.

In effect the consequences, however deleterious, for long proved relatively containable, a handicap rather than a cancer on the body politic. Disparaged though they may have been, the values of Australian life for which multiculturalism claimed credit but that actually predated it – tolerance and egalitarian openness – maintained an essential robustness, mitigating its harms.

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Reply #3 - Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:56am
 
However, new developments in more recent years and decades have dramatically increased the dangers that the policy’s original flaws always threatened.

The rise of virtual worlds, immersive media, social and otherwise, with global reach, now means it is possible to live at Lakemba in western Sydney while being for all intents and purposes in, say, Beirut.

As the Productivity Commission warned in 2016, “the ease of communicating with family and friends in the immigrant’s country of origin, and access to news and other media in their home language through the internet, has made it much easier for people who do not feel capable or have no desire to integrate”.

“To the extent that immigrants’ intent to integrate is decreasing,” the commission continued, that “raises an important issue about whether this provides scope for separatism that conflicts with, and/or has the ability to undermine, key norms and longstanding understandings that are important to the functioning of Australian society”.

To make things worse, the changes the Productivity Commission pointed to coincided with the spread of Islamic fundamentalism, which – in the name of maintaining religious purity – elevates separatism into an overriding religious obligation.

There were, and are, many Australian Muslims who are anything but Islamists and entirely reject separatism. Successfully integrated into the wider community, their contribution is there for all to see. But it would be foolish to deny that Islamist separatism presents threats on an entirely new scale.

That there were also intense ethno-sectarian pressures in the Irish Catholicism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries is undoubtedly true. The priestly champions of Irish Catholicism in Australia pursued and insisted on a religious separation, demanding (with mixed success) that all Catholic parents eschew schools not devoted to an explicitly Catholic curriculum. Social, economic and political separatism was, however, largely non-existent. There was no ghettoisation, intermarriage rates were high, and the Labor Party and the unions provided membership alongside the wider Australian populace in mass movements that insisted, as best they could, on ignoring religious identity.

Additionally and crucially, even the most strident advocates of Catholic schooling never promoted a hatred of Protestants, much less a desire for their extermination. But, in contrast, it has become an integral part of Islamist preaching that, in the words of an Islamic text widely available in Australia, “vileness and depravity are inherent to Jewish nature”, accompanying “the Jew” just as “the shadow accompanies a man”.

The overall result is not just a separatism that tears at social cohesion; it is an active hostility to, and incessant attack on, the Australian community. And far from impeding those tendencies, the multicultural project legitimises them and bestows funding and authority on their promoters.

As those developments loomed, the Productivity Commission urged the government to “monitor social cohesion and integration trends” and take remedial action “if the proportion of the immigrant population not wishing to integrate rises”.

In reality, little was done by either side of politics – and Labor’s reliance on the Muslim vote made reform even more difficult.


Already in 1986, acting in the name of multiculturalism and mindful, according to a report in this paper, of “pressure from the growing local Muslim community”, Paul Keating was instrumental in blocking the deportation of Taj Din al-Hilali despite the latter’s viciously anti-Semitic statements. Subsequently acquiring citizenship, Hilali, one of the nation’s most senior Muslim clerics, unsurprisingly continued in the same vein, setting a trend that was subsequently copied in myriad mosques and prayer halls.

Keating’s decision as acting prime minister in Bob Hawke’s absence to grant permanent residency to Hilali in 1990 cemented a turning point. From this point the political die was cast and a policy whose risks were steadily materialising became untouchable.

Now it is time for it to be junked. Different cultures must be respectfully considered, not uncritically embraced. The illusion that diversity will bring unity, or even allow basic civility to survive, is as hollow as it is damaging.

Geoffrey Blainey put it well: “People need to feel they belong to their country.” As he said: “The multicultural policy and its emphasis on what is different and on the rights of the new minority rather than the old majority, gnaws at that sense of solidarity that many people crave.”

The Hawke government’s own FitzGerald report on immigration echoed these conclusions. Recommending that even the term multiculturalism be abandoned, it emphasised that “it is the Australian identity that matters most in Australia”. Unless the balance shifted from enshrining difference to promoting a unifying national identity, it was only a matter of time before the centrifugal forces that could tear Australia apart proved overwhelming.

The FitzGerald report shocked Hawke. He repudiated it and buried it in punishment for failing to provide his government with what it expected to hear. The news still may be unwanted. But this much is clearer than ever: closing our eyes and ears to multiculturalism’s failures is a luxury Australia can no longer afford.






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Reply #5 - Jan 26th, 2025 at 1:02pm
 
In March 2022, Declan Cutler, a working-class 16-year-old, died after being stabbed over 50 times by a ‘gang of teenagers’ in a random attack in North Melbourne.

Hours after the incident, one of the attackers allegedly went home and searched the question, ‘Is hell guaranteed for a Muslim who commits murder?’
Earlier this year, Jason Langhans, 17, was killed when he tried to stop a fight between gatecrashers and partygoers at a get-together in the small coastal town of Tooradin.
The attacker, a 17-year-old Afghani who has not been named, moved to Australia as a refugee, drove a screwdriver 8cm into Jason’s brain. The judge noted that he had a ‘traumatic upbringing’, leaving Afghanistan for Pakistan, Indonesia, and then Australia by boat.

Earlier this month, hundreds of protesters gathered at the Sydney Opera House and called for the death of an entire race of people … the Jewish people.  Minister for Immigration Andrew Giles says that Australia’s multicultural diversity is ‘a source of national strength’.


But these increasingly common events, along with a changing conversation abroad, might give us pause to reflect.  Suella Braverman, Home Secretary for the United Kingdom, recently stood in front of a crowd last month and announced that ‘multiculturalism in Great Britain had failed’.  Her analysis of Britain’s handling of immigration and diversity was scathing, and perfectly reflected the way the debate around multiculturalism is changing.

‘Uncontrolled immigration, inadequate integration, and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism have proven a toxic combination for Europe over the last few decades.  ‘We are living with the consequence of that failure today. You can see it play out on the streets of cities all over Europe. From Malmo, to Paris, Brussels, to Leicester. It is 13 years since Merkel gave her speech, and I’m not sure that very much has changed since.’

Australia’s official policy of ‘Multiculturalism’ is celebrated in ministerial white papers and corporate boardrooms but its real-life consequences are starkly different.  In the streets of Melbourne’s CBD earlier this year, Sikh separatists attacked Hindu protesters with sticks while chanting ‘death to India’.  In Sydney, Hindu protesters were filmed allegedly menacing Muslim-run businesses in Harris Park, an area with a long history of ethnic-religious violence.  In Brisbane, during the Hong Kong independence protests at the University of Queensland, students were physically assaulted by a number of pro-Chinese students.  Fireworks and celebrations erupted in the Sydney suburb of Lakemba following the attack of Israel by Hamas.

The question has to be asked: How is the average Australian benefiting from this? And if we’re not benefiting, what are we doing to stop it?  Because as one British writer put it, the eruption of ethnic tensions in our cities doesn’t just reflect the complete failure of integration, it also reflects a complete repudiation of our systems, laws and way of life.  ‘When you watch people have so little respect for British values and British laws they gleefully saunter around Britain’s streets saluting atrocities committed by ISIS-style terrorists then you know multiculturalism is failing.’  This has happened, he says, ‘Because of mass immigration into Britain, because of the total failure of our politicians to integrate old and new immigrants into British society, and because of their determination to continue to import more culturally and religiously distinctive migrants and tribal grievances from abroad.’

It isn’t just Britain changing their tune on multiculturalism.  Last year, the Sweden Prime Minister announced: ‘Integration has been too poor at the same time as we have had a large immigration. Society has been too weak, resources for the police and social services have been too weak.’  More than Sweden, the other paragon of Scandinavian progressive pragmatism, Denmark, instituted an abrupt turnaround on its previously generous immigration program, with Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen citing a multi-decade failure of its newcomers to integrate.

And just weeks ago, former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said in a television interview that ‘it was a grave mistake to let in so many people of totally different cultures, religions, and concepts’.  ‘It creates a pressure group inside each country.’

Is it now time to admit that Australia also made a ‘grave mistake’? Do we have pressure groups inside our country, and if so, what are we going to do about it?  ‘I think we are starting to realise there’s a difference between being an Australian and living in Australia,’ wrote one person in a viral tweet, following the Opera House incident.

Australian politicians like to claim we’re the ‘most successful multicultural nation on Earth’, but how much longer can they ignore the fraying edges that has become increasingly evident this month?  Opposition leader Peter Dutton is talking tough on the issue, saying that anyone on a visa at the protests who was breaking the law ‘should be deported’. But what of the hundreds of thousands of new arrivals coming in next year? What of the gangs roaming our streets, killing unsuspecting teenagers? There is simply no plan to deal with these multicultural clashes – governments are just throwing a Hail Mary and hoping it doesn’t explode on their watch.
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With a record 450,000 migrants arriving in Australia this year alone – many of which not only from nations with which we share little culturally, but who are also adversaries to our allies – it can be assumed Labor isn’t heeding Braverman’s warning about ‘uncontrolled immigration, inadequate integration, and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism’.

Moreover, with Australia’s legitimacy increasingly attacked by the political left, and with the country referred to as a ‘coloniser state’ that disenfranchised indigenous people, it’s hard to see what the large numbers of people coming here will integrate into.

Our country is heading down a strange path. The roots that once held us together are increasingly weakened, while the rapidly rising number of people coming from other countries have no dominant culture or way of life to integrate into.  Until a stronger discussion is had around multiculturalism and immigration, these cultures will inevitably clash again, with increasingly tragic circumstances.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 2:57pm:

How does that address ANYTHING, ridiculous old bozo?
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Reply #10 - Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:32pm:

Yes, yes, yes, we know you are an inarticulate yet vain old moron. WE GET IT.

Yawn, tut tut , roll ze eyes, twilight zone, tealight with sparklers- your soul and mind on full display, yawny ****wit.
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We seem to have people from multiple cultures getting along in all the workplaces I have been in over the last 50 years and not just workplaces, sports, clubs anywhere really.

Maybe it snuck up on you when you were not watching.
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Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:48pm:
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We seem to have people from multiple cultures getting along in all the workplaces I have been in over the last 50 years and not just workplaces, sports, clubs anywhere really.

Maybe it snuck up on you when you were not watching.

You evidently have not read or understood the first few posts on his thread.
No surprise.

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Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:48pm:
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We seem to have people from multiple cultures getting along in all the workplaces I have been in over the last 50 years and not just workplaces, sports, clubs anywhere really.

Maybe it snuck up on you when you were not watching.

You evidently have not read or understood the first few posts on his thread.
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Mass uncontrolled immigration has ruined our country:


Just buy a house, Pull yourself up by your bootstraps,  Stop wasting money on designer clothes and lattes. The people dishing out this advice are the same ones who got to play the property game on easy mode. They bought homes when they were ultra cheap than and rode a wave of government-backed policies that turned their modest investments into golden tickets.
And now? They look down from their ivory towers—built on decades of speculative growth—and wag their fingers at people without a home and call them ‘lazy’ & ‘entitled’. The thing is, they don’t have a clue what it’s like to save in an economy where every dollar is worth less by the day, where rent eats up half your paycheck, and where house prices have skyrocketed to the point that even a shoebox in the suburbs feels like a pipe dream.


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Frank wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 9:04pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 8:48pm:
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We seem to have people from multiple cultures getting along in all the workplaces I have been in over the last 50 years and not just workplaces, sports, clubs anywhere really.

Maybe it snuck up on you when you were not watching.


You evidently have not read or understood the first few posts on his thread.
No surprise.



I think that is the other way around, you think that 50 plus years of a stable mixing of cultures is destroyed by a couple of incidents that are about something different.

How many of us don't have friends who's original heritage is from any of 10 or 15 other countries. How many of us are not just as comfortable eating food that is Australian based - Italian, greek, Asian, Lebanese, english, french etc ? Not a second thought. You can have a beer with 5 guys who all have a family from a different country and you don't even notice.

Sorry but Multi culture in Australia is a done deal. It's over and done. The Australian guy I play golf withs father was German, the guy I sit next to on the train speaks Spanish, My Daughters swim coach was Polish. I worked with a Video machine tech for 10 years before I realised that the reason he didn't drink was because he was Muslim. They are all Australian, all nice people. They are us.
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 10:37pm:
Mass uncontrolled immigration has ruined our country:


Just buy a house, Pull yourself up by your bootstraps,  Stop wasting money on designer clothes and lattes. The people dishing out this advice are the same ones who got to play the property game on easy mode. They bought homes when they were ultra cheap than and rode a wave of government-backed policies that turned their modest investments into golden tickets.
And now? They look down from their ivory towers—built on decades of speculative growth—and wag their fingers at people without a home and call them ‘lazy’ & ‘entitled’. The thing is, they don’t have a clue what it’s like to save in an economy where every dollar is worth less by the day, where rent eats up half your paycheck, and where house prices have skyrocketed to the point that even a shoebox in the suburbs feels like a pipe dream.




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You know that this was originally a rich peoples joke? It is physically not possible to do this. The joke is try all you like your not going to make it. They are laughing at you.
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Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 10:55pm:
You know that this was originally a rich peoples joke?
It is physically not possible to do this.
The joke is try all you like your not going to make it. They are laughing at you.



I am so glad I own my own place.

I feel so sorry for the young people of today.
Their country was ruined by incompetent politicians.
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 11:09pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2025 at 10:55pm:
You know that this was originally a rich peoples joke?
It is physically not possible to do this.
The joke is try all you like your not going to make it. They are laughing at you.



I am so glad I own my own place.

I feel so sorry for the young people of today.
Their country was ruined by incompetent politicians.


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Incompetent or greedy ? I don't think selling out to money was an accident.
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A 63-year-old man has been charged for allegedly taking lewd photos without consent at Bronte Beach on Sunday.

About 3.40pm on Australia Day, Kamal Arora was arrested at the scene following reports of inappropriate behaviour.

Police took Mr Arora to Waverly Police Station and charged him with three counts of intentionally record intimate image without consent.


He was also charged with three counts of behave in offensive manner in/near public place/school.

He was refused bail and is set to appear before Parramatta Local Court on Monday.



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The deracinated romantics who set the terms of much of the debate are enthralled with diversity. They consider it a virtue to declare oneself a citizen of the world. The influx of the supposed dispossessed amounts to the cleansing of the colonial soul, the overturning of tyranny and the revenge of the oppressed.

In practical terms, however, the clash of languages, cultures and peoples strains the social fabric. Shared values once taken for granted, and therefore rarely articulated, are contested. A multicultural nation is by definition one which lacks a shared historical core.

Governments’ attempts to strengthen the social fabric have only made matters worse. The state-funded multicultural industry encourages the formation of ethnic fiefdoms with vested interests in favour of sectarianism. Human rights bodies harvest grievances and reinforce the state of victimhood. Institutional bias quickly develops; the emphasis is on difference rather than the ties that bind.
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Australia’s multiculturalism took off in 1788, under Governor Phillip.
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The tragedy of multiculturalism
This policy is not our strength

Augusto Zimmermann

‘Diversity is strength; tolerance is natural,’ says the Prime Minister of Australia on his official website.

This may be a lovely statement, but it is not supported by historical evidence. To the contrary, history clearly teaches us that too much ‘diversity’ is a leading cause of social conflict and national fragmentation.

In his seminal On Democracy (Yale University Press, 1998), Robert Dahl, emeritus professor of political science at Yale University, explains how too much ‘diversity’ may lead to serious ‘cultural conflicts’:

Cultural conflicts can erupt into the political arena, and typically they do: over religion, language, and dress codes in schools, for example; or discriminatory practices by one group against another; or whether the government should support religion or religious institutions, and if so, which ones and in what ways; or practices by one group that another finds deeply offensive and wishes to prohibit … issues like these pose a special problem for democracy. Adherents of a particular culture often view their political demands as matters of principle, deep religious or quasi-religious conviction, cultural preservation, or group survival. As a consequence, they consider their demands too crucial to allow for compromise.

David Betz is a long-standing professor of ‘War in the Modern World’ in the Department of War Studies at King’s College London. He came to public attention a few months ago when he published a two-part academic paper titled The Civil War Comes to the West. In these two academic papers, he contends that there is a significant chance of a civil war breaking out in most Western European countries, where mass immigration and multiculturalism risk civil unrest verging on civil war.

Multiculturalism has never been just a fair and impartial understanding of different cultures. Samuel Huntington, the late Harvard political scientist, once defined multiculturalism essentially in terms of an ‘anti-Western ideology opposed to Eurocentric concepts of democratic principles, culture, and identity’. He contends that, above all, multiculturalism is ‘anti-Western and anti-Christian’. Indeed, according to the late British historian, Paul Johnson:

Multiculturalism has been, and will be, exploited by a few social engineers to dismember the elements of existing societies, especially those of the West with their deep Christian underpinnings, and reconstruct them according to new blueprints – to provide legal accommodation, for example, to practices such as polygamy.

As a state-sponsored policy, writes British political commentator Douglas Murray, multiculturalism is basically ‘the idea of the state encouraging people to live parallel lives in the same country and particularly in living under customs and laws that stand in opposition to those of the country they are living in’. He then informs us that there is a ‘growing public concern about such parallel societies growing across Europe. The sharpest cause of this growth’, according to him, ‘is the increasing tally of terrorist attacks and thwarted terrorist attacks involving people brought up in Europe’.

Murray’s opinion was fully endorsed by the late British political philosopher, Roger Scruton. He contended that, due to state-sponsored multicultural policies, ‘If people come from immigrant backgrounds that preserve the memory of a religious law, they will often revert to a religious experience of membership and define themselves in opposition to the territorial jurisdiction by which they are ostensibly governed.’

This helps understand the findings of a study commissioned by Policy Exchange, whereby it has been found that four out of ten young British Muslims have a desire to live under Sharia (Islamic) Law. In answer to the question, ‘Do you personally have any sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried out terrorist attacks?’ 24 per cent of them answered in the affirmative, with 13 per cent expressing ‘a lot’ of sympathy to terrorists.

According to Dr Munira Mirza, the scholar who conducted this survey:

The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multicultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasised difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.

Professor Betz’s articles are particularly relevant because they explain how the acceptance of identity politics is overtly post-national and ultimately socially divisive. Accordingly, identity politics is defined by him as politics in which people with religious, ethnic, social, or cultural identities tend to promote their own interests with no regard to the interests of any other national group. It is this kind of socially fragmented environment that makes civil strife not only likely, but practically inevitable, in his opinion.

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In this sense, it is perfectly possible to argue that many Western nations, especially in Western Europe, can no longer be described as possessing any meaningful sense of common identity and national heritage. All that these European nations now possess are incohesive political entities formed by competing tribes based on a sense of identity of their own, living largely in virtually segregated communities and competing for social resources in an increasingly excessive and violent way.

These Western European nations have, therefore, entered a period of ‘cultural suicide’. Professor Betz thus explains how some governments in Western Europe have lost their legitimacy due to such ‘cultural suicide’, and, consequently, their ability to peacefully manage a society that is terminally fractured by ethnic identity politics.

And since around 75 per cent of all post-Cold War civil conflicts have been fought by ethnic factions, this leads Betz to soberly predict that civil conflict, quite possibly followed by civil war, will be the ‘unexceptional’ outcome. And so, dear Prime Minister, contrary to what you appear to believe, diversity is not necessarily our strength and tolerance is not so natural, and quite the contrary.

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"Cultural suicide" is definitely what is happening.  It's beyond rhyme or reason.  I just do not know my country any more.  I do not recognise it because it's changed irrevocably.  The lunatics are now in charge of the asylum. 

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Aquarius wrote on Oct 27th, 2025 at 7:07pm:
"Cultural suicide" is definitely what is happening.  It's beyond rhyme or reason.  I just do not know my country any more.  I do not recognise it because it's changed irrevocably.  The lunatics are now in charge of the asylum. 




According to Betz, the combination of large numbers of immigrants and the doctrine of multiculturalism have fuelled the conviction that it is “racist” to restrict immigration or “impose” British culture on newcomers. The combination of large numbers of immigrants and the ideology of multiculturalism has thus transformed Britain from a homogeneous society to a society that no longer recognises its own face in the mirror.[6]

This development is reminiscent of an influential article, The Menace of Multi-culturalism, published in 1980, by Bond University’s Professor Lauchlan Chipman who, in an Australian context, described multiculturalism as a doctrine that prescriptively seeks to impose rules of behaviour on the native population. He argued that “hard” multiculturalism:

… is not about folk dancing, interesting food, and free-flowing wine. Nor is it about experiments in living and the open-minded and sensitive quest for improved or alternative life-styles. … Rather, it is about the preservation of ‘ethnic integrity’, the reinforcement and imposition on the new-born of sets of traditions, beliefs, and values which include, as well as those which are noble and enlightened, some which are inhuman, grotesquely ignorant, racist, sexist and bigoted.
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It is a shame that he and you don't know or understand "Multiculturism", Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Over the last many places of employment I have been in there have peen people from all sorts of ethinc backgrounds and yet they have virtually all been Australian all fully accepted by everyone else in the workplace and socially. We virtually all currently have a multi cultural diet by preference. Our friends are culturally varied  by background but consider themselves to be Australian.

Very far from a failure.

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

My home diet for instance includes. chineese foods like fried rice - sweet and sour, chineese soups, stir fries, Italian like spagetti bol / marinara, chicken parmigana, raviole - Pizza - veal scolopine and on. From South America Chirizo - Tacos - Empanadas etc, Indian - Tandori - Naan bread - Butter Chicken etc.

As a child in Australia not one of these were part of an Australian diet.
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Over the last many places of employment I have been in there have peen people from all sorts of ethinc backgrounds and yet they have virtually all been Australian all fully accepted by everyone else in the workplace and socially. We virtually all currently have a multi cultural diet by preference. Our friends are culturally varied  by background but consider themselves to be Australian.

Very far from a failure.

Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.

My home diet for instance includes. chineese foods like fried rice - sweet and sour, chineese soups, stir fries, Italian like spagetti bol / marinara, chicken parmigana, raviole - Pizza - veal scolopine and on. From South America Chirizo - Tacos - Empanadas etc, Indian - Tandori - Naan bread - Butter Chicken etc.

As a child in Australia not one of these were part of an Australian diet.



Slowly now, duckwit, slowly:

is not about folk dancing, interesting food, and free-flowing wine. Nor is it about experiments in living and the open-minded and sensitive quest for improved or alternative life-styles. … Rather, it is about the preservation of ‘ethnic integrity’, the reinforcement and imposition on the new-born of sets of traditions, beliefs, and values which include, as well as those which are noble and enlightened, some which are inhuman, grotesquely ignorant, racist, sexist and bigoted.




All you duckwits only ever blather about food and ignore caste systems, polygamy, jihad, violent opposition to free speech, jew and infidel hate, clannish cousin marriage, ethic separatusm and ghettoes, lack of English,  ethic discrimination and ancient hatreds imored and maintaind and all the rest.


Why go to another country and recreate your ethnic identity and values as if you were back in the old country? Why not stay put? You can maintain your ethnic identity and values at home. Why go to a country if you don't like it enough to assimilate?



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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 3:13pm:
It is a shame that he and you don't know or understand "Multiculturism", Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Grin Grin Grin

I do notice, idiotic cockwomble, that 'educated' though you imagine yourself to be, you are not offeing the korrekt understanding of multiculturalism. You only ever offer moronic tut tuts and eyerolling. Your limits.

I suppose FD should answer your question first, eh, idiotic troll?





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Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that only the Italians would eat.  The derisive term spagetti eater was meant as an insult to an Italian, it wasn't something an Australian would ever do.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


How about ecanomic growth. Adding more idea and products, new types of imports and exports.

Improved cultural awarness - we understand different people better both in Australia and when travelling

Australians improved with discrimination - we have grown as a people.

Improved marketing accross various nationality sectors. Understand the people you sell to.

Improved communication with international partners and negotiations. Improved international partnerships.

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Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.


What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family couldn't evolve passed overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.
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Reply #36 - Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:54pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.


What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.


The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship travel and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

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Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813. This dates successful Multiculturalism back to the 1800's it isn't a new process.
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.


What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.


The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship traver and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

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grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India


Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813.


See? No need to import people when recipes are available. Now what else have you got for the plus of MuliCulti vs assimilation into the prevailing culture? When in Rome...

I hoped you could do better than everyone else I've asked, so far... Nope.
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Pakistan-born Muslim Greens senator lashes out at ‘White people’ in racially charged rant



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https://www.noticer.news/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/faruqi-white.jpg


When did she become a blonde?

https://www.harmreductionaustralia.org.au/mehreen-faruqi/


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Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.


What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.


The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship traver and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

Quote:
grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India


Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813.


See? No need to import people when recipes are available. Now what else have you got for the plus of MuliCulti vs assimilation into the prevailing culture? When in Rome...

I hoped you could do better than everyone else I've asked, so far... Nope.


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I don't think this is the question.

In Australia the people in these groups have largly integrated its just that their cultures havn't been fully destroyed in the process. Maybe the problem isn't much more than in the framing. Had nobody said anything / if the Multiculturalism lable had never been created would anything much have ended differently.
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I don't think this is the question.

In Australia the people in these groups have largly integrated its just that their cultures havn't been fully destroyed in the process. Maybe the problem isn't much more than in the framing. Had nobody said anything / if the Multiculturalism lable had never been created would anything much have ended differently.



Why not try to say something coherent and intelligent?

Give it a go, duck.
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:15pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 4:45pm:
Who doesn't not only like an Italian meal or Chineese, greek, Lebanese South American,Indian, Japaneese etc but can also cook their own version of these foods.


So that's the saving grace of multiculturalism? Something a recipe book could solve? I've asked this quite a few times of people, what besides food? Always a blank... Uhhh.. Can you enlighten me? Even my wife can't tell me.


No prior to multi Australians didn't even know these foods existed. Virtually no Australians knew that they would want to read a recipee for any single one of these foods. In the 1960's there foods were typically unknown in Australia. Even a simple spagetti was something that the Italians would eat.


What a load of crap. Anyone who travelled outside of Australia would see different food. If they liked it, they could make it. My paternal grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India, came here in 1947, I've eaten curry all my life. Curry for family get togethers, and Gulab Jamun for deserts. Just because your family likes overcooked three vege and snags means nothing. And to top it off, those that come here can still assimilate and cook food. Culture != food.


The first international commercial flights were in the 1960's the majority was ship traver and it was rare. The vast majority of Australians who were not very wealthy seldom left Australia outside of in the case of a war.

Quote:
grandfather was a Colonel in the British army in India


Curry was common in Australia from early due to the British Indian connection. The recipe for curried wombat goes back to 1813.


See? No need to import people when recipes are available. Now what else have you got for the plus of MuliCulti vs assimilation into the prevailing culture? When in Rome...

I hoped you could do better than everyone else I've asked, so far... Nope.


Quote:
MuliCulti vs assimilation


I don't think this is the question.

In Australia the people in these groups have largly integrated its just that their cultures havn't been fully destroyed in the process. Maybe the problem isn't much more than in the framing. Had nobody said anything / if the Multiculturalism lable had never been created would anything much have ended differently.


I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people/cultures assimilation will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea, it's division.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughter's love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:33pm:
I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.


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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.


I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:33pm:
I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people/cultures assimilation will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea, it's division.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughter's love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.


I have been in about 5 workplaces with maybe 50 floor level employees of many different cultural groups.

Out of something like 250 staff with maybe 50% - 60% ethnic in orogin I have not found a single case where there was a nationality / culture issue, Around 100% performed as if integrated Australians.

I have seen issues in the 80's 90's with first gen arrivals particularly with competing ethnic groups where their nations were in conflict. This had nothing to do with multiculturism it was going to happen anyway.
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:33pm:
I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.


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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.


I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.


Look at places like Lakemba, assimilation is expected the other way. Islam is incompatible and will not assimilate. You can see that everywhere that it has been allowed. We have 3rd and 4th gen that will not assimilate.

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated, I'm almost as old as you. I've seen it. Used to swap luches in primary school with an Indian guy and go to his place after school, Mimo(Dominic) the Itie and his sisters lived across the back fence. Next door to him the Lithuanians, across the road more of them. No probs. The problem is with incompatible cultures and telling them it's OK, it's not.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:56pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 8:33pm:
I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.


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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.


I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.


Look at places like Lakemba, assimilation is expected the other way. Islam is incompatible and will not assimilate. You can see that everywhere that it has been allowed. We have 3rd and 4th gen that will not assimilate.

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated, I'm almost as old as you. I've seen it. Used to swap luches in primary school with an Indian guy and go to his place after school, Mimo(Dominic) the Itie and his sisters lived across the back fence. Next door to him the Lithuanians, across the road more of them. No probs. The problem is with incompatible cultures and telling them it's OK, it's not.


People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.
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1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated


2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.



1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia.  I can't think of a single uniquely  Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you?  What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?



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You don't know any Muslims, do you, Soren?  So, how do you know if they assimilate or not?  You just have very biased MSM reports which you claim are incorrect in all other matters.  Yes, some Muslims fail to assimilate but the majority do.  Even Pauline Hansom agrees.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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You don't know any Muslims, do you, Soren?  So, how do you know if they assimilate or not?  You just have very biased MSM reports which you claim are incorrect in all other matters.  Yes, some Muslims fail to assimilate but the majority do.  Even Pauline Hansom agrees.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Islam is against

Equality before the law
Representative democracy
Parliamentary law making
Freedom of religion
Freedom of speech
Equality of the sexes


The only Muslims who assimilate are ex-Muslims, that is, apostates.
Or liars (taqiyya), like you.





@mohammed_hijab  lost his application to appeal the libel damages of Douglas Murray, estimated at £850,000. The judge called him a liar.

He explains Jihad. "The reason why you have to fight them, is because they are Jews & Christians. You should fight them until they give you the Jizya (extra taxes). There is no conceivability of peace between Muslims & non-Muslims. 

"Islam is a warrior religion, it's about expansion & conquest."

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Justice Johnson is clear: Hijab’s evidence was ‘worthless’, and the man is a liar. Phrases such as ‘not credible’, ‘not consistent’, ‘untenable’ and ‘confected’ fill today’s judgment. Mr Justice Johnson says that Hijab lied in court on several occasions, and was ‘combative and constantly argumentative’. Hijab appeared to have invented contracts after Douglas’s article was published, in order to claim damages for their bogus cancellation. Now he has lost, Hijab himself is on the hook for a lot of money.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-spectator-and-douglas-murray-win-defamation-claim-brought-by-mohammed-hijab/



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Delusions you suffer from them, badly, Soren.  Seek help. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2025 at 11:18am:
Delusions you suffer from them, badly, Soren.  Seek help. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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You evidence about islam and everything else is worthless, untenable, full of inconsistencies and lies, Bbwiyawn.
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Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2025 at 8:06am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 9:27pm:
1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated


2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.



1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia.  I can't think of a single uniquely  Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you?  What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?





The food exchange for a start would turn over tens of billions of dollars in the economy. The advantages to international trade also is hugely valuable to Australia. The advanages to export and inport. We have improved as a people since the 1950's.

Could you imagine how few international tourists we would get in Australia if we still held the white Australia racial views of the 1950's. We would be an international pariah and our tourism industry would be dead.

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Muslims don't assimilate.


One of my recent workplaces there was a guy I worked with for around 10 years before I realised he was Muslim. I played rugby league with several Muslims and they only way to tell their religion was that they didn't drink, apart from that they were just normal guys. Also worked with several fermale muslims and found them to be nice people. 94% of every race of people are just fine people looking to live their life and look after their family and something like 6% of every nationality are arseh0les. Including us or more specifically probably you.
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Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2025 at 8:06am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 9:27pm:
1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated


2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.



1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia.  I can't think of a single uniquely  Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you?  What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?





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Yes Muslims tend to find conservative politics to much better allign with their beliefs.
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Nothing says “most successful multicultural nation” quite like a fresh delivery of vibrant diversity bollards at Christmas time.

Martin Place, Sydney.


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Yes Muslims tend to find conservative politics to much better allign with their beliefs.

As do orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, devout Hindus...
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 29th, 2025 at 1:15pm:
Yes Muslims tend to find conservative politics to much better allign with their beliefs.

As do orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, devout Hindus...



And that's why the most densly Muslim electorates in Australia are Labor seats. Without exception.

And the most electorate with most orthodox Jews, Wentworth around Bondi is Teal (and was Turnbull country before that).



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Dnarever wrote on Oct 29th, 2025 at 1:12pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2025 at 8:06am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2025 at 9:27pm:
1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

Quote:
Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated


2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.



1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia.  I can't think of a single uniquely  Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you?  What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?





The food exchange for a start would turn over tens of billions of dollars in the economy. The advantages to international trade also is hugely valuable to Australia. The advanages to export and inport. We have improved as a people since the 1950's.

Could you imagine how few international tourists we would get in Australia if we still held the white Australia racial views of the 1950's. We would be an international pariah and our tourism industry would be dead.

Quote:
Muslims don't assimilate.


One of my recent workplaces there was a guy I worked with for around 10 years before I realised he was Muslim. I played rugby league with several Muslims and they only way to tell their religion was that they didn't drink, apart from that they were just normal guys. Also worked with several fermale muslims and found them to be nice people. 94% of every race of people are just fine people looking to live their life and look after their family and something like 6% of every nationality are arseh0les. Including us or more specifically probably you.


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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.


Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

Churchill, The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan (1899), Volume II pp. 248–250.



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