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Jul 13th, 2020 at 1:32pm
 
Affirmative Action in a Multiethnic Nation


As we are constantly reminded, America is becoming an ever-more diverse nation. Whites will be a minority by mid-century. Some perceive this to be an unalloyed good. But it appears that few proponents of affirmative action are prepared to consider the dangers of quotas in a multiethnic society. A survey of other nations’ experiences with this policy reveals sobering consequences. At best: social strife, inefficiency, endemic public corruption, and nepotism. At worst: tribalized violence and warfare.

In Malaysia, after the British colonial administration departed, the fledgling nation faced simmering ethnic tensions among native Malays (bumiputeras/“sons of the soil”) and overseas Chinese and Indians. After race riots and the balkanization of political parties along ethnic lines, the Malaysian government promulgated a vast quota system to boost the Malay majority. This system ranged from the customary university sinecures and public contract set-asides to reserved storefront spots in public spaces. The term “Ali Baba” there describes an arrangement wherein “Ali,” the native Malay, acts as a frontman for the actual Chinese/Indian business owner “Baba.” Despite state discrimination, the overseas Chinese and Indians remain far wealthier and better educated than native Malays.


India’s reticular caste system poses unique problems. Legions of ethnic groups seek categorization as “backwards classes.” Each locality has its own hierarchy of quotas. Despite its intricacy, government discrimination still produces tension and violence. In Maharashtra, the paramilitary Shiv Sena jealously guards ethnic spoils systems. Successful Bengalis in the state of Assam have encountered violence from aggrieved natives. Scions of the upper-castes have self-immolated protesting quotas that limit their opportunities. Many reserved spots for Dalits (“untouchables”) and other backwards classes either go unfilled—especially in high-skill occupations like engineering—or go to the “creamy layer” (i.e., the most advantaged members of putatively marginalized groups).

In Brazil, applicants for university and government jobs are boosted by Afro-Brazillian or pardo (brown) status. Inspection boards use detailed guidelines—including fine gradations of skin-tone and measurements of lip size, hair texture, skull shape, and nose width—to ferret out Europeans from those of genuine Indigenous and African descent (given the high rate of intermixing, this is a fraught endeavor). Desperate strivers blacken their skin or otherwise modify their appearance to gain an edge.

The Policy of Standardization in Sri Lanka contributed to a bloody civil war between Tamil and Sinhalese. Similarly in Nigeria, state-backed ethnic privileges propelled civil war and the short-lived state of Biafra. Now, the national constitution requires the composition of government to “reflect the federal character of Nigeria” in order to stave off future friction and ensure proportional representation. But, as one scholar puts it:

The postwar desire to prevent another secession generated a near obsessive ethnic micromanaging of national life—and created a nation that exists almost simply to share money and jobs. “Federal character” became the most controversial two words in Nigeria’s Constitution. An ethnic quota regulates almost every facet of public life: Admission to the government and the Civil Service, schools and universities, the military and the police is decided by regional origin.

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Rather than working as a glue for unity, the fixation on ethnic sharing of national opportunities and resources made Nigerians more aware of their ethnic differences. Resentment rose in parts of the country badly served by the quota system. The irony is plain: To prevent the recurrence of a war fought at least partly on ethnic lines… Nigeria’s rulers solidified ethnic identities.
https://quillette.com/2020/07/03/affirmative-action-in-a-multiethnic-nation/
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:12pm
 

The March of the Morons continues.  Selecti g mysicians PURELY based on their skills and talent is now RACIST.

MERITOCRACY IS SYSTEMIC RACISM.






Starting in the late 1960s, orchestras began ditching traditional face-to-face auditions in favour of auditions that took place behind screens. With orchestra administrators no longer able to see the race or sex of the orchestra applicant, conscious and unconscious bias in hiring choices became impossible. Musical skill became the sole criterion for winning one of those prized professional playing positions.

This meritocratic turn, Tommasini argues, proved especially beneficial to female players. Whereas in 1970, women made up only 6% of orchestras, they now make up somewhere between a third and half of an average orchestra.

I add that audiences also benefited from meritocratic hiring processes as orchestras played increasingly brilliant renditions of the classics. Those improved performances also showed greater reverence for the original composers themselves. In short, the blind audition was a big win for all lovers of musical excellence – players, living composers, and fans alike.

So why on earth would anyone now call for their abolition?

Tommasini answers this way:

"Blind auditions changed the face of American orchestras. But not enough. American orchestras remain among the nation's least racially diverse institutions, especially in regard to black and Latino artists...Ensembles must be able to take proactive steps to address the appalling racial imbalance that remains in their ranks. Blind auditions are no longer tenable".

In other words, the low number of black and Latino classical musicians means orchestras need to re-institute the old-time racial discrimination Tommasini began his article by decrying. Orchestras need to know which applicants are white and Asian precisely so they can refuse to hire them on that basis, no matter how skilled they are. Blind auditions make racial discrimination impossible, so they must be scrapped. American orchestras, writes Tommasini, should stop "passively waiting for representation to emerge from behind the audition screen". Instead, they must realize that "removing the screen is a crucial step".

To summarize: For Tommasini, it's not just that justice requires injustice. It's that justice is injustice (injustice in the form of racial discrimination). And if that reminds you of the official slogan of Orwell's Minisptry of Truth in 1984 – war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength – you're not alone.

https://www.steynonline.com/10465/orchestral-manoeuvres-no-longer-in-the-dark

Tommasini? Who he?
Er.... the Chief classical music critic of.... er..... yes, yes, The New York Times. I am only surprised that The Grauniad didn't  beat him to it.
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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:13pm
 
so when are you farkln off back to that sh1thole you came from?
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:22pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:13pm:
so when are you farkln off back to that sh1thole you came from?

I am not from Calabria like you, Gino.
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:13pm:
so when are you farkln off back to that sh1thole you came from?

I am not from Calabria like you, Gino.



What part of my comment was  difficult for you to understand?
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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2020 at 8:05am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 25th, 2020 at 5:12pm:
The March of the Morons continues.  Selecti g mysicians PURELY based on their skills and talent is now RACIST.

MERITOCRACY IS SYSTEMIC RACISM.






Starting in the late 1960s, orchestras began ditching traditional face-to-face auditions in favour of auditions that took place behind screens. With orchestra administrators no longer able to see the race or sex of the orchestra applicant, conscious and unconscious bias in hiring choices became impossible. Musical skill became the sole criterion for winning one of those prized professional playing positions.

This meritocratic turn, Tommasini argues, proved especially beneficial to female players. Whereas in 1970, women made up only 6% of orchestras, they now make up somewhere between a third and half of an average orchestra.

I add that audiences also benefited from meritocratic hiring processes as orchestras played increasingly brilliant renditions of the classics. Those improved performances also showed greater reverence for the original composers themselves. In short, the blind audition was a big win for all lovers of musical excellence – players, living composers, and fans alike.

So why on earth would anyone now call for their abolition?

Tommasini answers this way:

"Blind auditions changed the face of American orchestras. But not enough. American orchestras remain among the nation's least racially diverse institutions, especially in regard to black and Latino artists...Ensembles must be able to take proactive steps to address the appalling racial imbalance that remains in their ranks. Blind auditions are no longer tenable".

In other words, the low number of black and Latino classical musicians means orchestras need to re-institute the old-time racial discrimination Tommasini began his article by decrying. Orchestras need to know which applicants are white and Asian precisely so they can refuse to hire them on that basis, no matter how skilled they are. Blind auditions make racial discrimination impossible, so they must be scrapped. American orchestras, writes Tommasini, should stop "passively waiting for representation to emerge from behind the audition screen". Instead, they must realize that "removing the screen is a crucial step".

To summarize: For Tommasini, it's not just that justice requires injustice. It's that justice is injustice (injustice in the form of racial discrimination). And if that reminds you of the official slogan of Orwell's Minisptry of Truth in 1984 – war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength – you're not alone.

https://www.steynonline.com/10465/orchestral-manoeuvres-no-longer-in-the-dark

Tommasini? Who he?
Er.... the Chief classical music critic of.... er..... yes, yes, The New York Times. I am only surprised that The Grauniad didn't  beat him to it.


This article is impossible to argue with therefore I don't anticipate any meaningful comment from the usual suspects.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2020 at 8:57am
 


It goes without saying, that 'progression' and reward in any field of endeavour, absolutely needs to be based solely upon a persons merit and competence.


Dictionary;
merit = = excellence; worth.   an examination grade denoting above-average performance.



We should never allow important and 'demanding' tasks to given to incompetent, or corrupt persons.




Q.
If your child were taken into hospital, for emergency brain surgery....
....would you want your child's surgeon to have been employed/selected, based upon his/her competence in that specialist field ?

Or would it be OK for the surgeon [who would operate upon your child], to have been selected based upon some quota based system ?

A system which gave advancement in a hospitals surgical team, to a person [largely] because of the surgeon's minority ethnic status ?



IMO, the same principle must apply to all situations [for advancement] in our society.





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Reply #7 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm
 
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 7:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352


And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.
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Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 8:13pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352


And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.


Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.


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Setanta wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352


And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.


Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.




Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.
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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:04pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 4th, 2020 at 7:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352


And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.


Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.




Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.


Assimilate or die is much closer to the truth. What happened to the druids and Celtic culture? What happened to the Jews? Where are the Etruscans? What happened to the Greeks and their culture of democracy? What happened to the Dacians? Sure you could hold a little bit of the old culture but you had to bow to Rome and it's culture or be annihilated.

We are Rome, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 6:47pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 4th, 2020 at 7:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352


And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.


Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.




Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.


Assimilate or die is much closer to the truth. What happened to the druids and Celtic culture? What happened to the Jews? Where are the Etruscans? What happened to the Greeks and their culture of democracy? What happened to the Dacians? Sure you could hold a little bit of the old culture but you had to bow to Rome and it's culture or be annihilated.

We are Rome, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.


It was more like - accept Roman rule or die. Those who were of a different culture but accepted Roman rule were tolerated, but if they rose up against the state, then they were put down.
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Reply #13 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 7:29pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 4th, 2020 at 7:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.




https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352


And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.


Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.




Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

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Multiculturalism - Fawlty Towers.

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