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Reply #45 - Sep 28th, 2022 at 6:06pm
 
..boring..
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Reply #46 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 6:36am
 
chimera wrote on Sep 28th, 2022 at 6:06pm:
..boring..


Boring?



"This is America, the most advanced military technologically capable country in the world, and it is just impossible to believe that they could have been that incompetent." - Michael Meacher, (1939-2015)  UK MP


Whenever contact is lost with any airplane, fighter jets routinely take to the air to investigate in well under 20 minutes. This commonly occurs dozens of times per year but on 9/11 nearly two hours passed without any interception.

Norfolk Navy Base is some 150 miles south of Washington and was home to many F16 and F18  fighter jets, supersonic ones which can fly at speeds over 1000 miles per hour yet why were none scrambled?

The 9/11 flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country, yet nothing could be done to stop them?


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Reply #47 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am
 
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.
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Reply #48 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am
 
chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am:
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 


Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?
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Reply #49 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am:
chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am:
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 


Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?


It did happen.

At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.


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Reply #50 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:46am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am:
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm:


Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help?



Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it.


Yet you never have any proof for any of yours.

I wonder why that might be    Wink

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/


That doesn't mean they're not true, Greggery. Ask our dear one.

He is in our every breath.
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Reply #51 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:50am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am:
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am:
chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am:
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 


Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?


It did happen.

At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.




Yes, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, Greggery. Is it not possible to have two different thoughts at once?

I mean, there are alternative facts, no?
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Reply #52 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:55am
 
As the jihadi kamikaze entered the passenger air space, bells sounded in the Tourist Class. Hostesses scrambled to prepare rough red cocktails to hurl at the bearded ones who threw Qurans in response. NORAD reported an increase in cabin temperature, forwarded this to the other President in Chief Tower, who bombed out.
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Reply #53 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 9:00am
 
See?

chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:55am:
As the jihadi kamikaze entered the passenger air space, bells sounded in the Tourist Class. Hostesses scrambled to prepare rough red cocktails to hurl at the bearded ones who threw Qurans in response. NORAD reported an increase in cabin temperature, forwarded this to the other President in Chief Tower, who bombed out. 
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Reply #54 - Sep 29th, 2022 at 4:31pm
 

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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Reply #55 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am:
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am:
chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am:
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 


Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?


It did happen.

At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.




That can't be called a scramble. To scramble means to take off and intercept aircraft that are off course.

No intercept took place.

(8:46 A.M.)  Two F-15 fighters are ordered to scramble from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts to find Flight 11, approximately 190 miles from the known location of the plane and 188 miles from New York City. Fighters in nearer bases are not scrambled. This is 6-8 minutes after NORAD has been told the plane was hijacked, approximately 26 minutes after losing contact with the plane. [8:39, Channel 4 News, 9/13/01, 8:46, NORAD, 9/18/01, 8:44, CNN, 9/17/01, 8:44, Washington Post, 9/15/01]
https://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg

Fighters in nearer bases are not scrambled

Why were fighters in nearer bases not scrambled?


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Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, or France to the French.

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Reply #56 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:18pm
 
'Scrambling an aircraft means to get them into the air as quickly as possible and into formation in order to defend, interdict, intercept the enemy aircraft'. The nearer jets only had sidewinder missiles where the other guys had MIM 104 Patriot short range nuclear missiles. As in Vietnam, you destroy a village to save it and New York has Greenwich Village in Manhattan. Smoke and drifting Mussie particles blocked the heat seeker Patriot as well as the no-show of the planes which diverted to Twin Towers instead of Las Vegas.
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Reply #57 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:46pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am:
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am:
chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am:
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 


Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?


It did happen.

At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.




That can't be called a scramble.



It can, and it was.

You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world   Wink
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Reply #58 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:58pm
 
Twin Towers 417 meters tall.
Trump Tower 202m.
What does that tell you? Where are the missing 200 m. of Trump?  Trump Tower used 45,000 cubic yards (34,000 m3) of concrete and 3,800 tons of steelwork. The use of a concrete superstructure was in contrast to many other skyscrapers, which were built on steel frames. Scutt said a concrete frame was easier to build and was more rigid than a steel frame was.
hmmmm?
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Reply #59 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:46pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am:
wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am:
chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am:
They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 


Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?


It did happen.

At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.




That can't be called a scramble.



It can, and it was.

You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world   Wink


They came nowhere near their target so that's hardly a scramble.

Try answering the question: Why were fighters in nearer bases not scrambled?


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